Guzman to DL / Hart Recalled

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Not surprising, but not good:

 

Guzman to DL

[Banedon]

Huh...he was actually pretty good yesterday.

[Sammy Sofa]

Sonuvabeesh.

[Tryptamine]

So Lou knows that Angel's arm is sore yesterday; he then proceeds to let him pitch two innings. Now the Cubs are without their best reliever for two weeks. This might even surpass Dusty Baker type stupidity.

[BigSlick]

So Lou knows that Angel's arm is sore yesterday; he then proceeds to let him pitch two innings. Now the Cubs are without their best reliever for two weeks. This might even surpass Dusty Baker type stupidity.

Well Dusty Baker did practically kill Chad Fox in 2005 so I don't know if this stacks up.

 

This is upsetting because we have yet another bullpen arm we don't really want to ever put in a game. (Hart)

 

Also, this might encourage Lou to overuse a beleaguered and not particularly effective Marmol even more.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I wonder if Lou killed him yesterday. Probably. I really dont see Hart as being the right choice. Hes always been pretty bad at the big league level, and in the minors, hes been brutal as a reliever, but pretty solid as a starter. Stevens may have been the better choice. Maybe even Blake Parker.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

If Guzman is injured, he had no business being in the game yesterday; let alone 2 innings.

 

This could be a case of the Cubs using the DL as an extreme precaution given that the bullpen is beat. If that's the case, pulling Hart from his start today to make him the long man doesn't make sense in the long term (it does for today if Wells struggles). What this basically does is turn Marmol into nearly an every day pitcher unless Ascancio pitches well.

 

This is going to be tough. The Cubs play 22 games in the next 22 days leading up to the A-S Break.

[Keener98]

Yea this sucks, and quite honestly Id rather have Shark up here than Hart. I have zero faith in Hart being useful.

[ctcf]

Noooooooooooo

[Flames24Rulz]

Well if we didn't use him at all, we lose that game because Patton screws it up earlier than the 13th if Guzman doesn't pitch. Still that sucks because he was real effective yesterday. Hopefully this injury isn't a big deal. Len and Bob can tell me all they want that it's not a serious injury but given Guzman's track record of arm problems, it's going to concern me no matter what.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Manager Lou Piniella said Guzman probably would have been ready in five or six days, but consecutive extra-inning games and seven in all this month taxed the bullpen. The right-hander is 2-1 with a save and a 2.53 ERA.

 

Doesn't sound like it's anything TOO serious. The two weeks off will hopefully benefit him for the rest of the season.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's possible that Piniella was advised by the training staff that there was no risk of adding to the injury.

[Clem Fandango]

NOOOOOOOOOOO KEVIN HART?!?! :-&

[Guest]

Samardzija started yesterday and threw 8. Hart was due to start today. No way Samardzija was an option. At least Hart has been really effective since moving to the Iowa pen. I'd rather have him up here than Samardzija.

 

I hope Gooz to the DL really was just preventative and Lou didn't rashly bring him in for 2 innings yesterday.

[dew1679666265]

Samardzija started yesterday and threw 8. Hart was due to start today. No way Samardzija was an option. At least Hart has been really effective since moving to the Iowa pen. I'd rather have him up here than Samardzija.

 

I hope Gooz to the DL really was just preventative and Lou didn't rashly bring him in for 2 innings yesterday.

 

It sounds like it's just preventative since the bullpen has been taxed so hard.

[Keener98]

Samardzija started yesterday and threw 8. Hart was due to start today. No way Samardzija was an option. At least Hart has been really effective since moving to the Iowa pen. I'd rather have him up here than Samardzija.

 

I hope Gooz to the DL really was just preventative and Lou didn't rashly bring him in for 2 innings yesterday.

 

I thought Hart has been really effective since being moved from the pen to starting in Iowa, but was pretty bad when he was pitching out of the pen?

[Guest]

Samardzija started yesterday and threw 8. Hart was due to start today. No way Samardzija was an option. At least Hart has been really effective since moving to the Iowa pen. I'd rather have him up here than Samardzija.

 

I hope Gooz to the DL really was just preventative and Lou didn't rashly bring him in for 2 innings yesterday.

 

I thought Hart has been really effective since being moved from the pen to starting in Iowa, but was pretty bad when he was pitching out of the pen?

 

Yeah, I definitely typed that wrong. I think I was going for "since moving out of the Iowa pen." Sorry.

[Flames24Rulz]

Samardzija started yesterday and threw 8. Hart was due to start today. No way Samardzija was an option. At least Hart has been really effective since moving to the Iowa pen. I'd rather have him up here than Samardzija.

 

I hope Gooz to the DL really was just preventative and Lou didn't rashly bring him in for 2 innings yesterday.

 

Yeah, keep Shark as a starter. They made the right move bringing up Hart.

[TruffleShuffle]

let's face it, guzman was gonna get hurt at some point regardless of whether he pitched yesterday. he's the rich harden of the bullpen.

[Guest]

let's face it, guzman was gonna get hurt at some point regardless of whether he pitched yesterday. he's the rich harden of the bullpen.

 

It would be nice if the Cubs took more precaution with Guzman and Harden, though.

[questionmarkgrace]

I dont think this move has anything to do with guzman being injured. I dont think he is injured at all, if he is its mild. After pitching two innings two days in a row he wasnt going to be able to pitch for a couple days anyhow. So I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that our bullpen was going to be short. The phantom injury is nothing new. just like waddell has some non-baseball related injury, and Dontrelle Willis is taking his second trip to the dl with an 'anxiety disorder.' Which is convenient given how much he sucks right now.

[dew1679666265]

I dont think this move has anything to do with guzman being injured. I dont think he is injured at all, if he is its mild. After pitching two innings two days in a row he wasnt going to be able to pitch for a couple days anyhow. So I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that our bullpen was going to be short. The phantom injury is nothing new. just like waddell has some non-baseball related injury, and Dontrelle Willis is taking his second trip to the dl with an 'anxiety disorder.' Which is convenient given how much he sucks right now.

 

I don't think a team would fake an injury with their (currently) best reliever. If he just needed a couple days off, I think they just would have made him unavailable.

 

Now, I don't think his injury is particularly serious (why Lou went ahead and pitched him Saturday), but I do think he's injured.

[wvcbxl]

Manager Lou Piniella said Guzman probably would have been ready in five or six days, but consecutive extra-inning games and seven in all this month taxed the bullpen. The right-hander is 2-1 with a save and a 2.53 ERA.

 

Doesn't sound like it's anything TOO serious. The two weeks off will hopefully benefit him for the rest of the season.

 

My exact thoughts when I heard the news.

[bcl412]

It sucks but as Butters said it could be better at the end of the season. The pen has actually pitched fairly decently lately so hopefully they can make up for his absence.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's possible that Piniella was advised by the training staff that there was no risk of adding to the injury.

 

I have a hard time believing there's ever "no risk of adding to the injury" when Angel Guzman is involved. I still don't get why he used Guzman for two innings in the 4-1 loss to the White Sox. He was already sore going into that game and hadn't pitched in a week.