DeRosa a Cardinal (p. 5) + DL'd (p. 13)

[Bryants Disco Ball]

So everyone ripped Hendry in the offseason when he traded DeRosa and one of the complaints was he did not get back nearly enough.

 

Now the Indians trade DeRosa to the Cardinals what appears to be even less than what Hendry got.

 

I think at this point it is fair to say that the perceived value of DeRosa among posters here is much higher than what the market values him at.

 

I liked DeRosa as a player and would rather have him on the team than Miles. However, I really don't think he is a huge difference maker one way or the other. I get the feeling if you played one full season with DeRosa on the Cards and Miles on the Cubs and then switched it around with all else being equal the final results of both teams would be pretty close to the same. The other factors (bullpen, Harden, Bradley, etc for the Cubs and Carpenter health, etc for the Cards) are going to be what winds up making or breaking each team.

 

My feeling still is that Hendry was told he had to clear the DeRosa salary to sign Bradley. While admittedly it has not worked out well to this point, in the offseason switching out Bradley for DeRosa seemed to be an upgrade. As for signing Miles, that one is a mystery to me and I think even Hendry at this point would admit that was a big mistake. Blanco and Scales have shown they can do just as much or more so the Miles salary is a waste and Hendry probably wishes he had a mulligan on that one.

 

I would like to third this post. Very, very solid. Agree with all of it. I was never as big of a fan of DeRosa as many Cubs fans -- I just couldn't shake the feeling that he never seemed to get many important hits and would boot a play in the field at the worst time -- but do understand his value much more now that we don't have him. That said, DeRosa would not turn this current Cubs team around.

 

Right now, our offense, bullpen and defense are bad. Most games, two of those three things won't be working. It continues to be why we are around .500.

 

While DeRosa would help the offense more than some of the guys we have, he's not not enough of an impact bat to really make a noticeable difference. Let's face it, the guys who we MUST dance with just ain't getting it done. If they do, we'll win. If they don't, we won't. There is nothing we can do about it at this point but sit back, watch and enjoy baseball.

 

Anyway, great post.

[Jehrico]

The worst GM in MLB in case you ever wondered.

Who else takes a 90+ win team and dismantles it because he needed more lefties? None other than the worst gm in MLB.

 

To be fair we were closer to being a 100 win team than a 90 win team.

 

Don't know if I'd call hendry the worst ever. His 2009 is one of the worst seasons one of our GMs has had...trailing the year Himes let Maddux walk, and rivaling the year we traded away Lee Smith, the first domino in the chain that lead to trading away Palmiero for Mitch Williams amongst others, which set us back by a good decade.

 

This is way worse than normal for hendry though. His performance since October has been bad enough to justify firing him, but not enough to put him in all-time worst discussions.

[Tyrant]

Honestly, this is my worst moment ever as a Cubs fan. Worse than 2003, worse than 1984. Worse than the last two playoff sweeps. Seeing one of the greatest Cubs in the history of the franchise suit up for the Cardinals is more than I can handle. DeRo was everything a Cubs player should be, and it was devastating enough when he was traded to the Indians? But playing for the Cardinals? I can't reconcile this at all. I have two DeRosa jerseys in my closet that I've been hanging onto in hopes that Hendry could bring him back this season, but now what am I supposed to do with them? I certainly can't bear to look at them anymore. This is absolutely crushing. How can Hendry allow this to happen? This is like Ernie Banks, Mr. Cub, wearing a Cardinal uniform. DeRosa was the modern-day Mr. Cub. I'm literally sick to my stomach, just thinking about this. Best of luck to you with the Cardianls, DeRo, and I can't wait until the Cubs retire your number someday. Rest assured, I will be there.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Honestly, this is my worst moment ever as a Cubs fan. Worse than 2003, worse than 1984. Worse than the last two playoff sweeps. Seeing one of the greatest Cubs in the history of the franchise suit up for the Cardinals is more than I can handle. DeRo was everything a Cubs player should be, and it was devastating enough when he was traded to the Indians? But playing for the Cardinals? I can't reconcile this at all. I have two DeRosa jerseys in my closet that I've been hanging onto in hopes that Hendry could bring him back this season, but now what am I supposed to do with them? I certainly can't bear to look at them anymore. This is absolutely crushing. How can Hendry allow this to happen? This is like Ernie Banks, Mr. Cub, wearing a Cardinal uniform. DeRosa was the modern-day Mr. Cub. I'm literally sick to my stomach, just thinking about this. Best of luck to you with the Cardianls, DeRo, and I can't wait until the Cubs retire your number someday. Rest assured, I will be there.

 

I hope this post was sarcasm. Because not only is DeRosa not one of the greatest Cubs...he's not even top 50.

[Sammy Sofa]

Because he traded him to begin with or because he didn't reacquire him?

 

Equal amounts of both, I think.

More the first.

 

There is LITERALLY no reason whatsoever DeRosa should've been traded. None. Maybe if you were going to get a good return on him, it's an argument, but three minor league pitchers, unless at least two are pretty highly rated, is not a good return.

 

Actually, there was LITERALLY many good reasons to trade a player as old as DeRosa with only one year on his contract. The return on DeRosa was decent and has the potential to be very good (in terms of the players being trading chips or as pitchers). The problem falls to how Hendry attempted to replace him on the team. With the latter Hendry completely dropped the ball. If he had, say, traded DeRosa and then signed Dunn instead of Bradley and Ray Durham to platoon 2B with Fontenot, this likely wouldn't be the mess it is now.

 

 

Hindsight is always 20/20.

 

Bradley raked last year along with Fontenot.

 

True, but Bradley also has guarenteed health issues that would have made him starting 100+ games unlikely and the Cubs traded away their best option to back up such a player. I actually wanted Bradley on the team but assumed that it would be with DeRosa there as the backup at least for that first year. Without DeRosa, shifting the focus to someone like Dunn or Abreu or even Ibanez (who nobody had any inkling he'd do what he's doing) seems only logical.

 

And yes, Fontenot raked in his playing time last year, but the plan seemed to always be to platoon him with someone else against lefties.

[Sammy Sofa]

So everyone ripped Hendry in the offseason when he traded DeRosa and one of the complaints was he did not get back nearly enough.

 

Now the Indians trade DeRosa to the Cardinals what appears to be even less than what Hendry got.

 

I think at this point it is fair to say that the perceived value of DeRosa among posters here is much higher than what the market values him at.

 

I liked DeRosa as a player and would rather have him on the team than Miles. However, I really don't think he is a huge difference maker one way or the other. I get the feeling if you played one full season with DeRosa on the Cards and Miles on the Cubs and then switched it around with all else being equal the final results of both teams would be pretty close to the same. The other factors (bullpen, Harden, Bradley, etc for the Cubs and Carpenter health, etc for the Cards) are going to be what winds up making or breaking each team.

 

My feeling still is that Hendry was told he had to clear the DeRosa salary to sign Bradley. While admittedly it has not worked out well to this point, in the offseason switching out Bradley for DeRosa seemed to be an upgrade. As for signing Miles, that one is a mystery to me and I think even Hendry at this point would admit that was a big mistake. Blanco and Scales have shown they can do just as much or more so the Miles salary is a waste and Hendry probably wishes he had a mulligan on that one.

 

Well said.

[Monco]

Its suprising DeRosa didn't cost the Indians and Cardinals much. But,that should not be used as an indicator of his value to the team. 3 mid level prospects, Chris Perez, or Mark DeRosa,what would you rather have?

 

Its baffling that a team that has a supposed goal of winning the world series had to let go of their closer,second baseman, and a starter to sign a right fielder that averages 100 games a year and to retain a starter coming off a career year.

[Soonernation]

Why not Hudson instead of Miles? Wouldn't have cost that much more

[nolanwood]

Its suprising DeRosa didn't cost the Indians and Cardinals much. But,that should not be used as an indicator of his value to the team. 3 mid level prospects, Chris Perez, or Mark DeRosa,what would you rather have?

 

Its baffling that a team that has a supposed goal of winning the world series had to let go of their closer,second baseman, and a starter to sign a right fielder that averages 100 games a year and to retain a starter coming off a career year.

 

Agreed!!! =D>

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Out of Dempster, Marquis, and who the Cubs have filled Marquis' spot with, Marquis has been the worst.

 

Wood was let go because he was going to be very expensive, his performance is volatile, and he's a huge injury risk. He's been terrible this year, and worse than what the Cubs replaced him with.

[dew1679666265]

Why not Hudson instead of Miles? Wouldn't have cost that much more

 

The thinking is that Miles' reputation is that he can play shortstop. Hudson cannot.

[nolanwood]

Out of Dempster, Marquis, and who the Cubs have filled Marquis' spot with, Marquis has been the worst.

 

Wood was let go because he was going to be very expensive, his performance is volatile, and he's a huge injury risk. He's been terrible this year, and worse than what the Cubs replaced him with.

 

Miles/Fontenot have been terrible this year, and Bradley hasn't been anything to write home about. He should have left the team alone.

[RedFlash]

Why not Hudson instead of Miles? Wouldn't have cost that much more

 

The thinking is that Miles' reputation is that he can play shortstop. Hudson cannot.

 

Yeah but, Hudson has shown he can play this game we call baseball at a very good level, Miles have proven he should be a librarian.

[NonProfitCow]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090628/capt.551f6ee048694a938efb57b6ab9776c7.derosa_cardinals_baseball_mojr101.jpg

[dew1679666265]

Why not Hudson instead of Miles? Wouldn't have cost that much more

 

The thinking is that Miles' reputation is that he can play shortstop. Hudson cannot.

 

Yeah but, Hudson has shown he can play this game we call baseball at a very good level, Miles have proven he should be a librarian.

 

You are correct.

[UMFan83]

I always thought DeRosa was a self centered jerk that's just there to cash a paycheck.

 

(sorry I have to get adjusted to a new mindset regarding DeRosa...if I keep saying it, eventually I'll believe it.)

[Sammy Sofa]

Why not Hudson instead of Miles? Wouldn't have cost that much more

 

The thinking is that Miles' reputation is that he can play shortstop. Hudson cannot.

 

Yeah but, Hudson has shown he can play this game we call baseball at a very good level, Miles have proven he should be a librarian.

 

Hey, easy on the librarians. That's just cruel.

[UK1679666180]

I had no problem with trading Derosa, they just replaced him with a bad ballplayer in Miles. Hendry gambled with Bradley, he was going to a boom or bust type of player especially with games played, I had no idea he would be this bad offensively.

 

Hendry's mistakes were no bench with a very fragile starting 8 and no bullpen with a rookie #5, oft-injured and not 100% healthy Harden, and an inconsistent Zambrano.

[dew1679666265]

I had no problem with trading Derosa, they just replaced him with a bad ballplayer in Miles. Hendry gambled with Bradley, he was going to a boom or bust type of player especially with games played, I had no idea he would be this bad offensively.

 

Hendry's mistakes were no bench with a very fragile starting 8 and no bullpen with a rookie #5, oft-injured and not 100% healty Harden, and an inconsistent Zambrano.

 

I didn't like the combo of trading DeRosa and signing Bradley. Had it been dealing DeRo and signing Dunn, for instance, I would have been much more behind it.

[Sammy Sofa]

I had no problem with trading Derosa, they just replaced him with a bad ballplayer in Miles. Hendry gambled with Bradley, he was going to a boom or bust type of player especially with games played, I had no idea he would be this bad offensively.

 

Hendry's mistakes were no bench with a very fragile starting 8 and no bullpen with a rookie #5, oft-injured and not 100% healty Harden, and an inconsistent Zambrano.

 

I didn't like the combo of trading DeRosa and signing Bradley. Had it been dealing DeRo and signing Dunn, for instance, I would have been much more behind it.

 

Exactly. I was big on the idea of signing Bradley specifically because the Cubs would have had DeRosa for at least the first year.

[UK1679666180]

If they would've brought someone in like a Wigginton super-sub, I would've been pleased with the trade. But, they brought in a middle infielder coming off a career/fluke year which still translated to good numbers for a MI but bad for any corner position.

 

The sad thing is if they wanted to become sellers:

 

Soriano-no trade value

Fukudome-no trade value

Bradley-no trade value

Ramirez-coming off injury/best player on team

Lee-no trade clause

Soto-too early in his contract to trade

Fontenot-no value

Theriot-early in contract/not likely to get much

 

Zambrano-new expensive contract from last year

Dempster-new contract

Lilly-one of few with any type of value

Harden-oft-injured

Wells-too young to sell

Heilman-no value

Gregg-maybe get something.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Apparently this clown views it as an unofficial 3 way trade between the Cubs-Cards-Indians

 

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2009/06/mark-derosa-3-team-trade-that-never-was-yet-really-is/

 

Heres the jist

The tale of the transactions, told as if they were parts of a trade:

 

Cubs acquire Miles from Cardinals, and three minor-league pitchers from Cleveland.

Cleveland acquires Chris Perez and PTBNL from Cardinals.

Cardinals acquire DeRosa.

 

Hey, we got Aaron Miles out of the deal, so its not all bad after all :banghead:

[BCVM22]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090628/capt.551f6ee048694a938efb57b6ab9776c7.derosa_cardinals_baseball_mojr101.jpg

 

I don't know whether to :-)) or :cry:.

[KaiserCesar]

Apparently this clown views it as an unofficial 3 way trade between the Cubs-Cards-Indians

 

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2009/06/mark-derosa-3-team-trade-that-never-was-yet-really-is/

 

Heres the jist

The tale of the transactions, told as if they were parts of a trade:

 

Cubs acquire Miles from Cardinals, and three minor-league pitchers from Cleveland.

Cleveland acquires Chris Perez and PTBNL from Cardinals.

Cardinals acquire DeRosa.

 

Hey, we got Aaron Miles out of the deal, so its not all bad after all :banghead:

 

Terrible deal at that money, but it also took Aaron Miles becoming the worst player in baseball to make it look as bad as it does now. What's with Hendry and the 2 yr/5mill deals for backups? (Miles, Blanco, Perez)

[Hall7810]

Guys on WGN SportsCentral are claiming the Indians called the Cubs before they made the trade to see if the Cubs counter.