Re: Sosa tested positive in 2003 per NY Times

[Sammy Sofa]

Gee, what a shocker. I'm as ambivalent to this as I have been about every other "revelation" about steroids that has come out after the fact.

[KingCubsFan]

I'm interested in seeing if there'll be any response to this from the Sosa camp.

 

I'm not part of the 50% of people on here that are lawyers, so let me know if I'm wrong, but this is leaked information, that is supposed to be anonymous. What is the harm in Sosa denying any of this is true? It's his word vs. anonymous lawyers, and I'm sure the court of public opinion is going to favor the nameless lawyers, but if he can convince even one person otherwise, what's the harm?

He can deny it if he wants in the court of public opinion. If he sues for defamation though, the actual report would come out and he'd never win anyways. It would be great if Clemens tried this though

[CubmanPi]

Count me in the sad-but-not-surprised camp. Sammy made Cubs baseball exciting, even when the team didn't. Then there was the HR to tie game 1...

 

[/goosebumps]

[ConstableRabbit]

Alright, can we please just see everyone who did roids? Surely A-Rod and Sammy weren't the only stars on that list.

 

Still my favorite player of all-time. Now it sucks because I'm going to have to explain why whenever his name comes up.

[TMan92]

And heres the 1st bit of actualy evidence against Sammy. Cant say Im surprised at all.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/sports/baseball/17doping.html?ref=sports

 

Shocking :roll:

[jersey cubs fan]

Evidence? Like that pinko commie rag can be trusted.

[Larry Horse]

Shocking.

 

Hmmm.....where are the Sosa apologists?

 

Sammy Sosa was an excellent ball player who is hated on by buffoons who don't appreciate what he did for the Cubs organization.

 

Sammy Sosa was a ball player who's stats were aided by performance enhancing drugs. There are "buffoons" who will still ignore that fact. The fact that he plays for "your team" does not make it acceptable.

 

He is a cheater and a liar, plain and simple. Alll the scorn and hateful comments directed toward McGuire and Palmiero and Giambi can now be applied to everyone's favorite RF. I forgot about the corked bat, also. But that was just a batting practice bat that happened to make it into the game supply.

 

Oh that's right, it doesn't apply here because he played for the Cubs.

[Brian]

if i could chose between world peace or putting a bullet in the back of the head of steroid controversy as news in sports. bye bye steroid talk.

[Sammy Sofa]

Shocking.

 

Hmmm.....where are the Sosa apologists?

 

Sammy Sosa was an excellent ball player who is hated on by buffoons who don't appreciate what he did for the Cubs organization.

 

Sammy Sosa was a ball player who's stats were aided by performance enhancing drugs. There are "buffoons" who will still ignore that fact. The fact that he plays for "your team" does not make it acceptable.

 

He is a cheater, plain and simple. Alll the scorn and hateful comments directed toward McGuire and Palmiero and Giambi can now be applied to everyone's favorite RF. I forgot about the corked bat, also. But that was just a batting practice bat that happened to make it into the game supply.

 

Oh that's right, it doesn't apply here because he played for the Cubs.

 

This has never been a "protect a Cub" issue. I'm an "apologist" because I'm a realist: the 90's and early 2000's are called the "steroid era" for a reason. With or without Sammy, going back and trying to figure who used what after the fact is a fool's errand because you cannot possibly catch the vast majority of players who used PED's during that time and before. It unfairly demonizes a select few players and makes them take all the scorn while the hundreds of others that used, and baseball itself, get off relatively or even totally clean. It's the equivalent of trying to go back and find all the players that threw games after the White Sox got caught throwing the series. It's a pointless witch hunt that serves no actual purpose in a game that has had cheating as part of its very identity basically since the day it was created. Baseball's typical M.O. has been tolerate things until it cannot be ignored, they set down rules and move forward. Steroids has been the exception. Instead of saying what's past is past and moving on to crackdown on anyone breaking the rules AFTER they're actually created, people are acting like they can "catch" anything even remotely resembling a significant number of PED users from the last 40 years when that's essentially impossible.

Edited June 16, 2009 by Sammy Sofa

[SouthSideRyan]

Shocking.

 

Hmmm.....where are the Sosa apologists?

 

Sammy Sosa was an excellent ball player who is hated on by buffoons who don't appreciate what he did for the Cubs organization.

 

Sammy Sosa was a ball player who's stats were aided by performance enhancing drugs. There are "buffoons" who will still ignore that fact. The fact that he plays for "your team" does not make it acceptable.

 

He is a cheater and a liar, plain and simple. Alll the scorn and hateful comments directed toward McGuire and Palmiero and Giambi can now be applied to everyone's favorite RF. I forgot about the corked bat, also. But that was just a batting practice bat that happened to make it into the game supply.

 

Oh that's right, it doesn't apply here because he played for the Cubs.

 

Yeah and only idiots had the scorn and hateful comments towards those 3 too. Hank Aaron cheated too ya know. I hope he burns in hell with the rest of them

[soapy]

Shocking.

 

Hmmm.....where are the Sosa apologists?

 

Sammy Sosa was an excellent ball player who is hated on by buffoons who don't appreciate what he did for the Cubs organization.

 

Sammy Sosa was a ball player who's stats were aided by performance enhancing drugs. There are "buffoons" who will still ignore that fact. The fact that he plays for "your team" does not make it acceptable.

 

He is a cheater and a liar, plain and simple. Alll the scorn and hateful comments directed toward McGuire and Palmiero and Giambi can now be applied to everyone's favorite RF. I forgot about the corked bat, also. But that was just a batting practice bat that happened to make it into the game supply.

 

Oh that's right, it doesn't apply here because he played for the Cubs.

 

right, cause there's tons of people on this sight always hating on McGuire Palmiero and Giambi because they used steroids.

 

anyway, not surprising of course, but too bad none the less.

[Mugged By Fluffy]

And of course......When Dusty is asked about this in the near future he will say he knew nothing. He saw nothing.

[Rob]

This is a shame, obviously... but in regards to the minor celebrations by people anxious to pat themselves on the back, I still will refuse to apologize for withholding my judgment of the man until some proof was actually available. You got lucky you didn't condemn an innocent man... to pat yourself on the back for that is absurd.

 

As to Sammy himself... I'm very disappointed, but not terribly surprised. He was still one of the brighter spots in the last two decades of this organization, and I will continue to appreciate some of the amazing things he did for us... but this certainly taints the memory somewhat.

[SouthSideRyan]

if i could chose between world peace or putting a bullet in the back of the head of steroid controversy as news in sports. bye bye steroid talk.

 

You should shoot Sammy Sosa instead, the liar and cheater.

[Brian]

haha, when I just checked a couple of minutes ago "Sammy Sosa" was the #5 trending topic on twitter, which led me to finding this awesome guestion -

 

"Can someone explain how Sosa testing positive for roids is a bigger story than Stallworth only getting 30 days for KILLING someone?"

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This has never been a "protect a Cub" issue. I'm an "apologist" because I'm a realist: the 90's and early 2000's are called the "steroid era" for a reason. With or without Sammy, going back and trying to figure who used what after the fact is a fool's errand because you cannot possibly catch the vast majority of players who used PED's during that time and before. It unfairly demonizes a select few players and makes them take all the scorn while the hundreds of others that used, and baseball itself, get off relatively or even totally clean. It's the equivalent of trying to go back and find all the players that threw games after the White Sox got caught throwing the series. It's a pointless witch hunt that serves no actual purpose in a game that has had cheating as part of its very identity basically since the day it was created. Baseball's typical M.O. has been tolerate things until it cannot be ignored, they set down rules and move forward. Steroids has been the exception. Instead of saying what's past is past and moving on to crackdown on anyone breaking the rules AFTER they're actually created, people are acting like they can "catch" anything even remotely resembling a significant number of PED users from the last 40 years when that's essentially impossible.

 

 

Very well said.

 

Two things I already knew:

 

1) Sammy Sosa was a great, exciting ballplayer at a time where it was more or less impossible to be that good without using.

 

2) Sammy Sosa is not a good person, for reasons entirely unrelated to possible PED use.

 

I never asked him to be a good person, though, just a good ballplayer. And he did. Thanks, Sammy.

Edited June 16, 2009 by Hairyducked Idiot

[kujay]

Gee, what a shocker. I'm as ambivalent to this as I have been about every other "revelation" about steroids that has come out after the fact.

 

Pretty much. I never found it hard to root for Sammy and the Cubs and recognize at the same time that he was a horrible teammate and probably a juicer.

[SpongeWorthy]

haha, when I just checked a couple of minutes ago "Sammy Sosa" was the #5 trending topic on twitter, which led me to finding this awesome guestion -

 

"Can someone explain how Sosa testing positive for roids is a bigger story than Stallworth only getting 30 days for KILLING someone?"

 

The difference is that people actually care(d) about Sammy Sosa and Donte Stallworth is a slightly above average NFL wide receiver.

[SouthSideRyan]

2) Sammy Sosa is not a good person, for reasons entirely unrelated to possible PED use.

 

You know this?

 

Again, gun to my head, most any professional athlete I'll bet is a bad person, but really?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2) Sammy Sosa is not a good person, for reasons entirely unrelated to possible PED use.

 

You know this?

 

Again, gun to my head, most any professional athlete I'll bet is a bad person, but really?

 

Bailed on his team, rum bottle, used charity to funnel money to his family.

[jersey cubs fan]

haha, when I just checked a couple of minutes ago "Sammy Sosa" was the #5 trending topic on twitter, which led me to finding this awesome guestion -

 

"Can someone explain how Sosa testing positive for roids is a bigger story than Stallworth only getting 30 days for KILLING someone?"

 

The difference is that people actually care(d) about Sammy Sosa and Donte Stallworth is a slightly above average NFL wide receiver.

 

That's hardly the difference. The NFL has multiple DUI killers who virtually skated free of punishment. They also have players who test for steroids routinely, and they never get anywhere close to the scorn that baseball players do.

 

I blame the fans and media who decided that baseball was more than a game and needed poetry and mysticism to sell it. If those saps never over romanticized the sport people would apply a little more levelheaded reasoning to the issues.

 

Also, this country has a very weak stance on DUI. For as puritanical as we can be about sex, drugs and drink, for some reason we don't take DUI seriously.

[SouthSideRyan]

2) Sammy Sosa is not a good person, for reasons entirely unrelated to possible PED use.

 

You know this?

 

Again, gun to my head, most any professional athlete I'll bet is a bad person, but really?

 

Bailed on his team, rum bottle, used charity to funnel money to his family.

 

Isn't that a who cares, and a couple heresays?(I think the rum bottle turned out to be BS)

[SpongeWorthy]

haha, when I just checked a couple of minutes ago "Sammy Sosa" was the #5 trending topic on twitter, which led me to finding this awesome guestion -

 

"Can someone explain how Sosa testing positive for roids is a bigger story than Stallworth only getting 30 days for KILLING someone?"

 

The difference is that people actually care(d) about Sammy Sosa and Donte Stallworth is a slightly above average NFL wide receiver.

 

That's hardly the difference. The NFL has multiple DUI killers who virtually skated free of punishment. They also have players who test for steroids routinely, and they never get anywhere close to the scorn that baseball players do.

 

I blame the fans and media who decided that baseball was more than a game and needed poetry and mysticism to sell it. If those saps never over romanticized the sport people would apply a little more levelheaded reasoning to the issues.

 

Also, this country has a very weak stance on DUI. For as puritanical as we can be about sex, drugs and drink, for some reason we don't take DUI seriously.

 

No, it most certainly IS the difference. If Sammy Sosa killed someone driving drunk and Stallworth got fingered for PED use what story would get more attention? Obviously Sosa.

 

What you're talking about is the reason why the fans/media care a lot more about PED use in baseball than they care about PED use in football where it's more or less accepted due to the lack of romanticism surrounding certain records in the NFL.

Edited June 16, 2009 by SpongeWorthy

[kujay]

2) Sammy Sosa is not a good person, for reasons entirely unrelated to possible PED use.

 

You know this?

 

Again, gun to my head, most any professional athlete I'll bet is a bad person, but really?

 

I always thought he was very insecure. His whole "this team needs me" act when he was on the DL, etc. I don't think it's a stretch to say he was selfish.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I blame the fans and media who decided that baseball was more than a game and needed poetry and mysticism to sell it. If those saps never over romanticized the sport people would apply a little more levelheaded reasoning to the issues.

 

To be fair, without the poetry and romanticism, baseball would be a small, niche sport. On its own, it's pretty boring.