2009 Bulls Offseason Thread

[Tyrant]

No, the proposed trade would make Shaq the secondary option.

 

Shaq as a secondary option is just as bad as Salmons. He turns the ball over at an incredible rate at this point in his career, he bogs down the entire lane and refuses to move (Hollinger believes he set an unofficial record last season for 3-second violations) and his perception of his own value has not appropriately declined along with his skillset.

 

Pairing a 380-pound, 37-year-old center with bad knees who shows no motivation to improve his conditioning with a young, fast-break point guard makes zero sense. Zero. Even with the allure of his expiring deal, I still wouldn't do it.

[Flames24Rulz]

No, the proposed trade would make Shaq the secondary option.

 

Shaq as a secondary option is just as bad as Salmons. He turns the ball over at an incredible rate at this point in his career, he bogs down the entire lane and refuses to move (Hollinger believes he set an unofficial record last season for 3-second violations) and his perception of his own value has not appropriately declined along with his skillset.

 

Pairing a 380-pound, 37-year-old center with bad knees who shows no motivation to improve his conditioning with a young, fast-break point guard makes zero sense. Zero. Even with the allure of his expiring deal, I still wouldn't do it.

 

That doesn't make any sense. You'll have Shaq for only one season and it frees up Deng's awful contract. You can argue all you want about how Deng is a "stud." The real answer is that Deng (when healthy) is an above average player that won't be an impact player in this league. Period.

 

And besides, it's not like we know Deng's going to play a lot next year anyway. He's made of glass and the Bulls did pretty damn good without him the last few months of the season. I know Shaq is broken down too but Deng didn't contribute anything to the team the last two and a half months of the season, when the team played its best basketball of the season. At least Shaq will give you another body down low and I'm sure guys like Noah and Tyrus would love to play next to a guy like Shaq for a season. But again, that's all secondary to the contract situation where the Bulls can be gigantic players in the 2010 market if we went through with this trade. I'm extremely puzzled at the fact that there are Bulls fans opposed to this.

[1908]

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/05/hinrich-to-be-traded.html

 

The Bulls could be looking to deal Hinrich this summer. One rumored deal: Kirk to the Twolves for Minnesota's number 6 pick in the draft.

[SpongeWorthy]

That would be interesting. Assuming that pick isn't dealt for something else who would you guys want?

 

I think I'd go 1) Hill (pipe dream) 2) Harden 3) DeRozan 4) Evans? I don't think he fits well because he's ball dominant but he has a ton of potential. #6 is probably too high for Blair.

[1908]

I'd be very happy to see the Bulls draft DeRozan if they end up with the number 6 pick.

[Guest]

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/05/hinrich-to-be-traded.html

 

The Bulls could be looking to deal Hinrich this summer. One rumored deal: Kirk to the Twolves for Minnesota's number 6 pick in the draft.

That would be outstanding.

[Andy]

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/05/hinrich-to-be-traded.html

 

The Bulls could be looking to deal Hinrich this summer. One rumored deal: Kirk to the Twolves for Minnesota's number 6 pick in the draft.

That would be outstanding.

Oh my lord, I'd lose my mind. Too good to be true.

[SpongeWorthy]

Kirk brings a lot of value as a player. I agree now is the best time to deal him because his value is up after playing so well against the Celtics (especially defensively) but he's a good piece to have--he's just expensive for a backup.

 

I'd miss him though and I'm sure we'd be losing out, at least next year, on his skills relative to what's going to be gained from the #6 pick.

[rawaction]

Wow. I know the TWolves love Hinrich, but why would they give up the #6 for him?

 

If the Bulls could pull this off, that would be absolutely amazing. While I'd love DeRozan at 6 (or Harden 2nd choice), I wonder if the Bulls had the #6 pick could they interest Toronto or Phoenix in giving up Bosh or Amare for Tyrus, the #6 and the Bulls' expiring deals (Tim Thomas and/or Brad Miller)? The Bulls could resign the player they get and already have their player and won't need freed up money for 2010.

[ZMovieman]

Wow. I know the TWolves love Hinrich, but why would they give up the #6 for him?

 

If the Bulls could pull this off, that would be absolutely amazing. While I'd love DeRozan at 6 (or Harden 2nd choice), I wonder if the Bulls had the #6 pick could they interest Toronto or Phoenix in giving up Bosh or Amare for Tyrus, the #6 and the Bulls' expiring deals (Tim Thomas and/or Brad Miller)? The Bulls could resign the player they get and already have their player and won't need freed up money for 2010.

 

There's an article on SI Truth and Rumors saying that the Bulls might have to part with Deng in a possible Bosh trade, as apparently the Raptors are thinking he might have to go.

[Guest]

That would be interesting. Assuming that pick isn't dealt for something else who would you guys want?

 

I think I'd go 1) Hill (pipe dream) 2) Harden 3) DeRozan 4) Evans? I don't think he fits well because he's ball dominant but he has a ton of potential. #6 is probably too high for Blair.

 

I'd love to have Derozan or Harden for Hinrich. I agree that Evans doesn't fit as well with a team that already has Rose.

[wolf stansson]

People, Minnesota will not trade the 6 for Hinrich.

Beyond just the natural critical thinking that leads to that conclusion, there is this:

There's this rumor out there from kfan, no idea who the heck this guy is, or how credible he is, but I'm all over this deal if it's available and Hinrich is going:

 

Then there's the fact that it saves them no money and gives them a player with less upside than a potential pick.

 

I'd assume it would be Kirk and our 1st this year or next year if anything.

[1908]

Yeah, I read that part and it's why I included the link.

 

The salaries would have to fit, so the Bulls would be taking a player back besides the pick, and they'd likely be including something besides Kirk in the deal. But I just listed the highlights of the rumor: Kirk for Twolves pick.

[rawaction]

Wow. I know the TWolves love Hinrich, but why would they give up the #6 for him?

 

If the Bulls could pull this off, that would be absolutely amazing. While I'd love DeRozan at 6 (or Harden 2nd choice), I wonder if the Bulls had the #6 pick could they interest Toronto or Phoenix in giving up Bosh or Amare for Tyrus, the #6 and the Bulls' expiring deals (Tim Thomas and/or Brad Miller)? The Bulls could resign the player they get and already have their player and won't need freed up money for 2010.

 

There's an article on SI Truth and Rumors saying that the Bulls might have to part with Deng in a possible Bosh trade, as apparently the Raptors are thinking he might have to go.

 

I'd do Deng and Tyrus for Bosh. I think Bosh is the most attainable star player in the league. Toronto knows they won't be able to sign him. They also probably know they aren't going to get any top FAs to go to Canada, so freeing salary may not be that big of a deal.

 

Give them Tyrus, Deng, and the 16th pick and they get 3 players along with their 1st that can make that team competitive next year. They'd have to give back somebody w/ Bosh though, maybe Kapono.

[wolf stansson]

Wow. I know the TWolves love Hinrich, but why would they give up the #6 for him?

 

If the Bulls could pull this off, that would be absolutely amazing. While I'd love DeRozan at 6 (or Harden 2nd choice), I wonder if the Bulls had the #6 pick could they interest Toronto or Phoenix in giving up Bosh or Amare for Tyrus, the #6 and the Bulls' expiring deals (Tim Thomas and/or Brad Miller)? The Bulls could resign the player they get and already have their player and won't need freed up money for 2010.

 

There's an article on SI Truth and Rumors saying that the Bulls might have to part with Deng in a possible Bosh trade, as apparently the Raptors are thinking he might have to go.

 

I'd do Deng and Tyrus for Bosh. I think Bosh is the most attainable star player in the league. Toronto knows they won't be able to sign him. They also probably know they aren't going to get any top FAs to go to Canada, so freeing salary may not be that big of a deal.

 

Give them Tyrus, Deng, and the 16th pick and they get 3 players along with their 1st that can make that team competitive next year. They'd have to give back somebody w/ Bosh though, maybe Kapono.

I'd even take Bargnani off their hands.

[cubweiser03]

I'd do Deng and Tyrus for Bosh. I think Bosh is the most attainable star player in the league. Toronto knows they won't be able to sign him. They also probably know they aren't going to get any top FAs to go to Canada, so freeing salary may not be that big of a deal.

 

Give them Tyrus, Deng, and the 16th pick and they get 3 players along with their 1st that can make that team competitive next year. They'd have to give back somebody w/ Bosh though, maybe Kapono.

 

Unless the Bulls think they can be the next Detroit Pistons by putting 5 solid team players on the floor then you go hard for Bosh with Tyrus and Deng. The history of the NBA is more in favor of having 2 star players like Bosh and Rose than how the 2000's Pistons were built. And its not like the Bulls would be totally defunct by trading Deng and Tyrus, there is enough leftover. Waiting until Bosh becomes a FA is risky, really good players get traded away, or resign (not with Bosh) way more often than hitting the FA open market. The Bulls wont be the only team having $ in 2010. If they can arrange a deal for Bosh, get him now.

[Tyrant]

And its not like the Bulls would be totally defunct by trading Deng and Tyrus, there is enough leftover.

 

You know, I never thought I'd say this, but this offseason makes me miss Thabo Sefolosha. With Gordon potentially gone and Deng/Hinrich as trade bait, it would be nice to have a young wing on the roster who can defend. If your Deng/Tyrus for Bosh deal happened, the Bulls lineup could have looked like:

 

PG: Rose

SG: Sefolosha

SF: Salmons

PF: Bosh

C: Noah

 

That's an athletic lineup that can run and defend fairly well, and there'd be plenty of offense on the floor with Rose, Bosh and Salmons. But without Sefolosha, I'm not sure who slides in at the SG position. I know it was a minor deal, but I never understood why they traded Thabo. It's really unlikely they'll get a player as solid as him with the 26th pick.

 

/pointless tangent

[1908]

Chad Ford[/url]"]Nasir, Philly: How serious are the Bulls about drafting Hansbrough, especially at 16? Why not try to trade up for Blair? Or take a player of a higher ceiling in Clark or Mullens?

 

SportsNation Chad Ford: He's their type of player and I think teams were impressed with his size (6-10 in shoes) at the combine. He was also decent in the athletic testing. He had a max 34 inch vertical. Benched 185 pounds 18 times. And his lane agility and sprint drills were a little above average for a big man. In other words, he's bigger and more athletic than we gave him credit for at UNC. Combine that with the obvious production and he looks like a better prospect. As for Blair and Clark, they probably won't be there at 16. Mullens is a BIG project. He's a few years away from helping anyone.

[illiniguy]

Chad Ford[/url]"]Nasir, Philly: How serious are the Bulls about drafting Hansbrough, especially at 16? Why not try to trade up for Blair? Or take a player of a higher ceiling in Clark or Mullens?

 

SportsNation Chad Ford: He's their type of player and I think teams were impressed with his size (6-10 in shoes) at the combine. He was also decent in the athletic testing. He had a max 34 inch vertical. Benched 185 pounds 18 times. And his lane agility and sprint drills were a little above average for a big man. In other words, he's bigger and more athletic than we gave him credit for at UNC. Combine that with the obvious production and he looks like a better prospect. As for Blair and Clark, they probably won't be there at 16. Mullens is a BIG project. He's a few years away from helping anyone.

Why?

Oh and for the guys wanting DeRozan, doesn't his shot scare you?

[Magnetic Curses]

call me crazy, but i'd be just fine with psycho t.

[SpongeWorthy]

Chad Ford[/url]"]Nasir, Philly: How serious are the Bulls about drafting Hansbrough, especially at 16? Why not try to trade up for Blair? Or take a player of a higher ceiling in Clark or Mullens?

 

SportsNation Chad Ford: He's their type of player and I think teams were impressed with his size (6-10 in shoes) at the combine. He was also decent in the athletic testing. He had a max 34 inch vertical. Benched 185 pounds 18 times. And his lane agility and sprint drills were a little above average for a big man. In other words, he's bigger and more athletic than we gave him credit for at UNC. Combine that with the obvious production and he looks like a better prospect. As for Blair and Clark, they probably won't be there at 16. Mullens is a BIG project. He's a few years away from helping anyone.

Why?

Oh and for the guys wanting DeRozan, doesn't his shot scare you?

 

No, not really. He's not a good shooter right now but a lot of super bouncy wing types aren't and develop jumpers once they get into the league. At the end of the year he was really showing a nice pull up jumper in the midrange area. I think he'll develop an adequate 3 point shot in time--he's got good mechanics and a nice, high release point.

 

My biggest concern is his handle--he doesn't have one. He gets flustered easily and can't slash to the basket because it's really quite poor. It takes away from his leaping ability.

[wolf stansson]

call me crazy, but i'd be just fine with psycho t.

I agree. Low-ceiling, but at that draft spot, you'd know you're getting someone who'll come in and do what you know he can do. There's no mystery with TH. He'll be a serviceable bench player/energy guy.

[Derwood]

call me crazy, but i'd be just fine with psycho t.

I agree. Low-ceiling, but at that draft spot, you'd know you're getting someone who'll come in and do what you know he can do. There's no mystery with TH. He'll be a serviceable bench player/energy guy.

 

Isn't Hansborough just sort of a white Joakim Noah though?

[USSoccer]

call me crazy, but i'd be just fine with psycho t.

I agree. Low-ceiling, but at that draft spot, you'd know you're getting someone who'll come in and do what you know he can do. There's no mystery with TH. He'll be a serviceable bench player/energy guy.

 

Noah's improving beyond said description, though.

Isn't Hansborough just sort of a white Joakim Noah though?

[RedFlash]

call me crazy, but i'd be just fine with psycho t.

I agree. Low-ceiling, but at that draft spot, you'd know you're getting someone who'll come in and do what you know he can do. There's no mystery with TH. He'll be a serviceable bench player/energy guy.

 

Isn't Hansborough just sort of a white Joakim Noah though?

 

nbadraft.net compares TH to a combo of Madsen/Najera.

draftexpress.net has best case Luis Scola: worst case: Felipe Reyes (

 

Maybe on the comp of TH to Noah.