Colby Rasmus

[UK1679666180]

Although Maybin still has the higher ceiling, it frustrates me that him in the minors and Rasmus doing well has made me look wrong.

 

I've never seen anyone say Maybin has a higher ceiling, but okay.

 

And you'd be wrong but thanks for the in-depth contribution.

 

You can start by looking at where they were drafted.

[17 Seconds]

that was an effective post until you used uzr

Sorry you don't like defensive metrics.

 

and i'm sorry that you think they actually mean something

[TruffleShuffle]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

[NonProfitCow]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

thank you

 

I feel like he gives me a bad name.

[NonProfitCow]

that was an effective post until you used uzr

Sorry you don't like defensive metrics.

 

and i'm sorry that you think they actually mean something

Seriously? You really think that they mean nothing? I'll agree that they're not perfect by any means, but to say they're meaningless seems awfully ignorant.

[Keener98]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

 

I would have used a different word besides "homer", but I guess that will work too.

[17 Seconds]

that was an effective post until you used uzr

Sorry you don't like defensive metrics.

 

and i'm sorry that you think they actually mean something

Seriously? You really think that they mean nothing? I'll agree that they're not perfect by any means, but to say they're meaningless seems awfully ignorant.

 

i think they mean very little, yeah. sorry that i don't buy into a stat that is all over the place from year to year and has ryan theriot has an above average defensive shortstop this season. i guess his awful range actually works to his benefit somehow. kudos to uzr for picking that up.

 

the funny part is that im sure rasmus is a fine center fielder. the problem is that uzr doesn't tell you that. oh well, i guess im just ignorant because i don't buy into a garbage stat that is beyond flawed

 

*runs over to cardinals board to post ryan theriot's uzr*

[RedVerbs]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

 

Uh, no, I am not. How exactly am I a "homer". Saying I've never seen someone say Maybin has a higher ceiling? I never said he didn't, I just stated it's not something that I was familiar with. I'm sure he does, the kid looks like he's gonna be a huge power bat, for certain.

 

You Cubs fans just so bitter about the Cardinals, so you don't give their players any recognition, aside from Albert (obviously). Rasmus is good, deal with it. Whether or not Maybin has a higher ceiling is irrelevant. Maybin's in Triple A, Rasmus is 11th in the NL in WAR.

 

It's not magic pixie dust or whatever term you guys use as to why the Cardinals win. The players on the Cardinals do not play over their head anymore than players on other teams do. We have certainly enough crap on offense this year for you Cubbie fans to realize this (Ankiel, Duncan, Thurston).

 

Cards fans give the Cubs their just due when they deserve it, but you guys here, nah everything is a conspiracy and magic, it can't possibly be the fact certain players are actually better than you think? Or maybe Cub players aren't nearly as good as you believe? Nah...can't be that

[RedVerbs]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

thank you

 

I feel like he gives me a bad name.

 

Get off your knees for god's sake man. Stop looking for approval.

 

edit: And you had the audacity to question the same thing about Maybin/Rasmus? Give me a break.

[SouthSideRyan]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

 

Uh, no, I am not. How exactly am I a "homer".

 

The Cubs have a slightly better team, but you're fooling yourself if you think the gap is huge.

 

None of the other potential wild card teams are better then the Cardinals. None. I know it hurts to see that, but it's the truth.

 

Errors are a part of the game. Zambrano could not get the final out, to get out of the jam. Bottomline.

 

To be fair there were a bunch of moronic Cub fans spouting the same idiocy.

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh, and I got bored, don't think that's the limit of his homering.

[XZero771679666304]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

 

Uh, no, I am not. How exactly am I a "homer".

 

The Cubs have a slightly better team, but you're fooling yourself if you think the gap is huge.

 

None of the other potential wild card teams are better then the Cardinals. None. I know it hurts to see that, but it's the truth.

 

Errors are a part of the game. Zambrano could not get the final out, to get out of the jam. Bottomline.

 

To be fair there were a bunch of moronic Cub fans spouting the same idiocy.

 

I love that bit about there errors. He did get the outs. He induced grounders right to his defenders.

 

I love that "knows how to win" and "gets outs when he needs to" garbage.

 

You can safely bet that if the same thing had happened to Carpenter, we'd be hearing all about how his defense let him down after he made the pitches he needed to.

[RedVerbs]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

 

Uh, no, I am not. How exactly am I a "homer".

 

The Cubs have a slightly better team, but you're fooling yourself if you think the gap is huge.

 

None of the other potential wild card teams are better then the Cardinals. None. I know it hurts to see that, but it's the truth.

 

Errors are a part of the game. Zambrano could not get the final out, to get out of the jam. Bottomline.

 

To be fair there were a bunch of moronic Cub fans spouting the same idiocy.

 

All right, maybe a little homering :D , except for that last quote. That isn't homering, that's just reality.

[UK1679666180]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

thank you

 

I feel like he gives me a bad name.

 

Get off your knees for god's sake man. Stop looking for approval.

 

edit: And you had the audacity to question the same thing about Maybin/Rasmus? Give me a break.

 

 

NPC asked a question as to why I felt that way as to which I answered, you wanted to round up the Rasmus' defense society by saying some idiotic remark without providing anything of use. There's alot different between what NPC and what you said.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

 

I would have used a different word besides "homer", but I guess that will work too.

:-))

[TruffleShuffle]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

thank you

 

I feel like he gives me a bad name.

 

Get off your knees for god's sake man. Stop looking for approval.

 

edit: And you had the audacity to question the same thing about Maybin/Rasmus? Give me a break.

 

look you said that you've never seen anyone say that maybin has a higher ceiling than rasmus when, for most of their minor league careers, maybin was ranked higher as a prospect than rasmus.

[NonProfitCow]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

thank you

 

I feel like he gives me a bad name.

 

Get off your knees for god's sake man. Stop looking for approval.

 

edit: And you had the audacity to question the same thing about Maybin/Rasmus? Give me a break.

For some reason I don't think "homer" would be a word they would use around here to describe me.

[manbearcub]

redverbs you are a huge homer.

thank you

 

I feel like he gives me a bad name.

 

Get off your knees for god's sake man. Stop looking for approval.

 

edit: And you had the audacity to question the same thing about Maybin/Rasmus? Give me a break.

For some reason I don't think "homer" would be a word they would use around here to describe me.

nobody cares

[str8carter]

Interesting discussion between the Cards vs. Cubs factions...let me throw my 2 cents in. Let's put the Rasmus thing to rest: he's a good baseball player.

 

As to why the Cubs are behind the Cards, who knows? They match up on paper pretty well. Frankly, with the poor management LaGenius has shown this year I'm surprized we are over .500

 

We have 3 players that I would love to see kicked off the team, and I see 3 players on the Cubs that need to go. Why our respective F.O.s don't see it is a mystery.

 

Finally, I never bought into the myth that some towns have "bad fans" The St. Louis forums and radio talk shows are filled with insults of the Cub faithful and their "funky old park". But when I go to a ball game there is nothing but good natured ribbing between us.

 

I guess it comes down to good manners...face to face people want to get along. But a forum is different. Too bad. Now you can tell me to go to hell.

[TruffleShuffle]

Interesting discussion between the Cards vs. Cubs factions...let me throw my 2 cents in. Let's put the Rasmus thing to rest: he's a good baseball player.

 

ok mods lock it up.

[illiniguy]

You're in front of us because of lineup has been together for two games all year. There solved that one. Oh and Pujols is careering, at least I hope he is or else he is gonna have one hell of a peak at some point.

[Ricky Vaughn]

You're in front of us because of lineup has been together for two games all year. There solved that one. Oh and Pujols is careering, at least I hope he is or else he is gonna have one hell of a peak at some point.

 

The injury excuse really isn't that valid.

 

Cubs have had their lineup for two games all year? Cards haven't had it together at all so far.

 

Troy Glaus, a .270/.372/.483 hitter last season with 27 HR and 99 RBI, hasn't played all year. Of course, he's not Aramis Ramirez, but that's pretty significant production to take out of someone's lineup.

 

Ryan Ludwick, an all-star a year ago, missed time with a pulled hamstring.

 

Rick Ankiel, a 25 HR guy a year ago, missed time after nearly killing himself. He's recently admitted his shoulder is still sore from the collision, which has lead in part to his poor play.

 

Chris Carpenter, their best pitcher, a former Cy Young winner, and someone who has a lower ERA than any of the Cubs' starters, missed significant time.

 

They also missed time from another starter when Lohse went down.

 

They even traded for an "impact" player, someone most Cubs fans wish they still had, and he got injured right away.

 

Their big offseason acquisition is on the DL for the second time this season with a case of the crazies.

 

None of this is to suggest that the Cardinals' injuries have been more devastating than the Cubs'. The point is, every team has had to deal with injuries. Blaming the current situation on that is putting on blinders.

 

The fact is, thus far, the Cardinals' scrubs have outperformed the Cubs' scrubs. But to blame injuries, when you're getting beat by a team that has featured Joe Thurston, Brian Barden, Nick Stavinoha, Tyler Greene, Shane Robinson, Brad Thompson, PJ Walters and Todd Friggen Wellemeyer, is ridiculous. Especially when you look at who the Cubs have. With the payroll where it is, they shouldn't even be playing scrubs. At $140 million, there should be some depth.

 

St. Louis' scrubs have outperformed Chicago's thus far. Doesn't mean it will continue in the 2nd half. Doesn't mean one team, the other, or both, won't get healthy in the 2nd half.

 

But the injury excuse wears thin in this argument.

[illiniguy]

You're in front of us because of lineup has been together for two games all year. There solved that one. Oh and Pujols is careering, at least I hope he is or else he is gonna have one hell of a peak at some point.

 

The injury excuse really isn't that valid.

 

Cubs have had their lineup for two games all year? Cards haven't had it together at all so far.

 

Troy Glaus, a .270/.372/.483 hitter last season with 27 HR and 99 RBI, hasn't played all year. Of course, he's not Aramis Ramirez, but that's pretty significant production to take out of someone's lineup.

 

Ryan Ludwick, an all-star a year ago, missed time with a pulled hamstring.

 

Rick Ankiel, a 25 HR guy a year ago, missed time after nearly killing himself. He's recently admitted his shoulder is still sore from the collision, which has lead in part to his poor play.

 

Chris Carpenter, their best pitcher, a former Cy Young winner, and someone who has a lower ERA than any of the Cubs' starters, missed significant time.

 

They also missed time from another starter when Lohse went down.

 

They even traded for an "impact" player, someone most Cubs fans wish they still had, and he got injured right away.

 

Their big offseason acquisition is on the DL for the second time this season with a case of the crazies.

 

None of this is to suggest that the Cardinals' injuries have been more devastating than the Cubs'. The point is, every team has had to deal with injuries. Blaming the current situation on that is putting on blinders.

 

The fact is, thus far, the Cardinals' scrubs have outperformed the Cubs' scrubs. But to blame injuries, when you're getting beat by a team that has featured Joe Thurston, Brian Barden, Nick Stavinoha, Tyler Greene, Shane Robinson, Brad Thompson, PJ Walters and Todd Friggen Wellemeyer, is ridiculous. Especially when you look at who the Cubs have. With the payroll where it is, they shouldn't even be playing scrubs. At $140 million, there should be some depth.

 

St. Louis' scrubs have outperformed Chicago's thus far. Doesn't mean it will continue in the 2nd half. Doesn't mean one team, the other, or both, won't get healthy in the 2nd half.

 

But the injury excuse wears thin in this argument.

Maybe, just maybe Ankiel and Ludwick were flukes last year? I know it's going to be hard to believe that a guy who didn't become a regular until he was 30 and a former pitcher aren't the most reliable to put up huge years.

 

Also boo hoo on DeRosa. When we signed Bradley we totally expected a .230 average and 6 homers at the break.

 

Also our big trade from last year, Rich Harden, sucks. While Kyle Lohse and Piniero have been good. I imagine that will keep up.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe, just maybe Ankiel and Ludwick were flukes last year?

 

Maybe Soto was.

[illiniguy]

Maybe, just maybe Ankiel and Ludwick were flukes last year?

 

Maybe Soto was.

He could have been, which is why I didn't say I was shocked that he has struggled. Although he has been pretty good after a horrible start.