One of the best series ever: Celtics win 4-3

[Keener98]

according to Jeff Van Gundy, that should only be a flagrant foul in the first 3 quarters. He literally said that.

 

 

Yea you caught that too huh lol. Hugh Hollins basically called him an idiot

[Guest]

Do those of you who watch hockey as well complain when penalties aren't called nearly as often in overtime games? It's a widely accepted fact that officials swallow their whistles unless it's absolutely necessary in overtime playoff hockey games because they don't want a penalty to decide a game.

[Guest]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi--bulls-brad-miller-rajon-rondo-29,0,1383446.story

 

What are the odds the NBA will change that to a flagrant even if it only affects Rondo's future suspension potential?

[Banedon]

Do those of you who watch hockey as well complain when penalties aren't called nearly as often in overtime games? It's a widely accepted fact that officials swallow their whistles unless it's absolutely necessary in overtime playoff hockey games because they don't want a penalty to decide a game.

 

So the NBA should follow the example set by a sport that has it's players fist fighting in most games?

[Guest]

Do those of you who watch hockey as well complain when penalties aren't called nearly as often in overtime games? It's a widely accepted fact that officials swallow their whistles unless it's absolutely necessary in overtime playoff hockey games because they don't want a penalty to decide a game.

 

So the NBA should follow the example set by a sport that has it's players fist fighting in most games?

 

Yes, because fist fighting is exactly what we're talking about here.

 

Come on.

[snoodmonger]

Do those of you who watch hockey as well complain when penalties aren't called nearly as often in overtime games? It's a widely accepted fact that officials swallow their whistles unless it's absolutely necessary in overtime playoff hockey games because they don't want a penalty to decide a game.

 

Barry Melrose addressed that and said that's no longer the case in hockey, and when it was, it drove him crazy. FWIW. As a fan of sports, i hate when the rules change depending on the timing of the infraction.

[Banedon]

Do those of you who watch hockey as well complain when penalties aren't called nearly as often in overtime games? It's a widely accepted fact that officials swallow their whistles unless it's absolutely necessary in overtime playoff hockey games because they don't want a penalty to decide a game.

 

So the NBA should follow the example set by a sport that has it's players fist fighting in most games?

 

Yes, because fist fighting is exactly what we're talking about here.

 

Come on.

 

No...I'm saying that NHL is a poor example to use on how to govern a sport. A sport that doesn't govern that fist fighting is something that shouldn't be permitted on the area of play is not a sport I want to use an example of how to govern others.

[Guest]

Do those of you who watch hockey as well complain when penalties aren't called nearly as often in overtime games? It's a widely accepted fact that officials swallow their whistles unless it's absolutely necessary in overtime playoff hockey games because they don't want a penalty to decide a game.

 

So the NBA should follow the example set by a sport that has it's players fist fighting in most games?

 

Yes, because fist fighting is exactly what we're talking about here.

 

Come on.

 

No...I'm saying that NHL is a poor example to use on how to govern a sport. A sport that doesn't govern that fist fighting is something that shouldn't be permitted on the area of play is not a sport I want to use an example of how to govern others.

 

Fighting is only one part of hockey, not the whole thing. Just because you don't like fighting, that doesn't mean that the whole rest of the sport's rule system should just be disregarded as some sort of crock.

 

EDIT: And I'm not saying that hockey's rule system and how they enforce it is right or wrong either.

[David]

Yea, it kinda does.

[Guest]

Yea, it kinda does.

 

Why?

[David]

So if that foul had been called right, we would've even been able to pick our own free throw shooter. Sickening.

[Banedon]

Fighting is only one part of hockey, not the whole thing. Just because you don't like fighting, that doesn't mean that the whole rest of the sport's rule system should just be disregarded as some sort of crock.

 

You decided to make the hockey/basketball comparison. The implication was that because hockey thinks it's ok to govern the end of it's games this way, that basketball should too. That was the way I took it.

 

My point was that I don't think that hockey is flawless, and the fist fighting was merely the most egregious example of that. In any case, even ignoring the fighting, I don't think that because hockey does it, is any justification for the NBA doing it.

[David]

Yea, it kinda does.

 

Why?

 

 

Because we're talking about bending rules and what should and shouldn't be allowed and the fighting in the NHL proves that the league is obviously pretty liberal when it comes to dirty play and those types of infractions.

[Tyrant]

Even Bill Simmons thinks Rondo should be suspended for his foul:

 

Q: Should Rajon Rondo be suspending for Game 6 for raking Miller across the face?

 

A: Yes. Because he admitted afterward that it was kinda, sorta intentional. But here's why the league WON'T suspend him: The NBA would be admitting the officials blew that call. So, they'll fine Rondo and admonish him in a statement, and that will be that. Gotta keep the illusion going that NBA referees don't suck!

[Guest]

Fighting is only one part of hockey, not the whole thing. Just because you don't like fighting, that doesn't mean that the whole rest of the sport's rule system should just be disregarded as some sort of crock.

 

You decided to make the hockey/basketball comparison. The implication was that because hockey thinks it's ok to govern the end of it's games this way, that basketball should too. That was the way I took it.

 

My point was that I don't think that hockey is flawless, and the fist fighting was merely the most egregious example of that. In any case, even ignoring the fighting, I don't think that because hockey does it, is any justification for the NBA doing it.

 

I was simply wondering if those who are both basketball and hockey fans didn't like how hockey chooses to referee its overtime games or not and if they're bothered by hockey referees swallowing their whistles in OT.

 

I just get the feeling that if the roles were reversed and if Rose/Gorden had hammered a Celtic player in the same situation, that not many Bulls fans would be saying that they got lucky and that it should have been a flagrant foul. I'm guessing that a majority of Bulls fans would simply believe that it was the right call.

 

It's sour grapes and we see it all the time in Cub game threads. Call goes against Cubs, fans outraged. Call goes for Cubs, nobody says anything.

[David]

I already said that if the roles were reversed I'd obviously be glad it wasn't called but I wouldn't have a leg to stand on in an argument.

[David]

"That's just how it is" isn't exactly a strong argument.

[Guest]

Fighting is only one part of hockey, not the whole thing. Just because you don't like fighting, that doesn't mean that the whole rest of the sport's rule system should just be disregarded as some sort of crock.

 

You decided to make the hockey/basketball comparison. The implication was that because hockey thinks it's ok to govern the end of it's games this way, that basketball should too. That was the way I took it.

 

My point was that I don't think that hockey is flawless, and the fist fighting was merely the most egregious example of that. In any case, even ignoring the fighting, I don't think that because hockey does it, is any justification for the NBA doing it.

 

I was simply wondering if those who are both basketball and hockey fans didn't like how hockey chooses to referee its overtime games or not and if they're bothered by hockey referees swallowing their whistles in OT.

 

I just get the feeling that if the roles were reversed and if Rose/Gorden had hammered a Celtic player in the same situation, that not many Bulls fans would be saying that they got lucky and that it should have been a flagrant foul. I'm guessing that a majority of Bulls fans would simply believe that it was the right call.

 

It's sour grapes and we see it all the time in Cub game threads. Call goes against Cubs, fans outraged. Call goes for Cubs, nobody says anything.

 

It's certainly not a Bulls fan-only reaction (though I guess Laker fans here might be biased against the Celtics).

[bukie]

After taking about 12 hours to soak everything in, here's what I'm most annoyed about:

 

- After the Celtics started getting back into the game after being down 11, Del Negro didn't call a TO to stop the bleeding until the game was already back within 2. VDN really needs to attend some sort of time out strategy seminar over the summer or something.

 

- Where the [expletive] was Tyrus Thomas in the second half and OT, after Boston finally figured out how to counter the small lineup with constant dribble-drives?

 

- Why in the world was Hinrich guarding Marbury in the OT, while Pierce was putting on a clinic on Salmons and Rose couldn't keep up with Rondo? Also, with Marbury AND Tony Allen on the floor simultaneously, why are you even guarding them?

 

- There is no doubt that by the book, Rondo's foul on Miller was a flagrant. He even admitted as such after the game. He wasn't going for the ball, not even close. If the best argument against a flagrant is that "you don't call that at the end of the game, because you can't let officiating decide the game", well my response is this: Not calling a flagrant there did decide the game with officiating.

[Guest]

So if that foul had been called right, we would've even been able to pick our own free throw shooter. Sickening.

 

Exactly, sickening.

[SpongeWorthy]

After taking about 12 hours to soak everything in, here's what I'm most annoyed about:

 

- After the Celtics started getting back into the game after being down 11, Del Negro didn't call a TO to stop the bleeding until the game was already back within 2. VDN really needs to attend some sort of time out strategy seminar over the summer or something.

 

- Where the [expletive] was Tyrus Thomas in the second half and OT, after Boston finally figured out how to counter the small lineup with constant dribble-drives?

 

- Why in the world was Hinrich guarding Marbury in the OT, while Pierce was putting on a clinic on Salmons and Rose couldn't keep up with Rondo? Also, with Marbury AND Tony Allen on the floor simultaneously, why are you even guarding them?

 

- There is no doubt that by the book, Rondo's foul on Miller was a flagrant. He even admitted as such after the game. He wasn't going for the ball, not even close. If the best argument against a flagrant is that "you don't call that at the end of the game, because you can't let officiating decide the game", well my response is this: Not calling a flagrant there did decide the game with officiating.

 

I actually didn't mind the no timeout decision as much as you guys did. The problem is that you don't really see Rose coming unglued until it starts to actually happen. He'd been passive almost all game and then he started pressing big time. Maybe a timeout was warranted but I kind of like the Phil Jackson philosophy of letting them play through it generally speaking. Maybe you don't do that with a rookie point guard.

 

The Hinrich on Marbury thing put me into a rage though.

[NewUserName]

I think timing is a terrible reason to not call a foul correctly....Remember when micheal jordan rapped hershey hawkins with 1 sec left while hawkins was about to make a game winning lay up in a playoff game, terrible

[Magnetic Curses]

the whole argument against the flagrant doesn't hold any water because the refs didn't "swallow" their whistles. a foul WAS called, it just wasn't called correctly.

 

for the record, i would have been pissed off at rose for hammering a guy that late in the game, right in the face, and i would think him lucky if he got away with a simple pf.

[jaydee]

Do those of you who watch hockey as well complain when penalties aren't called nearly as often in overtime games? It's a widely accepted fact that officials swallow their whistles unless it's absolutely necessary in overtime playoff hockey games because they don't want a penalty to decide a game.

 

So the NBA should follow the example set by a sport that has it's players fist fighting in most games?

 

Yes, because fist fighting is exactly what we're talking about here.

 

Come on.

 

More importantly, who calls fighting 'fist fighting' ....and fighting is a rarity in playoff hockey games.

[snoodmonger]

I think timing is a terrible reason to not call a foul correctly....Remember when micheal jordan rapped hershey hawkins with 1 sec left while hawkins was about to make a game winning lay up in a playoff game, terrible

 

Just because the guy was black doesn't mean you get to call him Hershey.