Cub prospects in the news

[Guest]

i honestly wonder if guys like harvey or colvin would've turned out differently in this system. especially colvin, who was almost good enough to be a passable major leaguer despite it.

Harvey should have concentrated on pitching. Maybe that was the Cubs mistake with him.

[SouthSideRyan]

Brett Jackson wasn't that long ago guys.

[Guest]

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2014/01/15/115-cubs-rookies-notebook/

 

Puff piece, with some actual info. Looks like Kevin Encarnacion and Jose Zapata were among FIVE Cubs in that car crash a little while back, and are doing well, but STILL in the hospital. :eek:

 

 

From Baez's Instagram 3 days ago

 

http://i.imgur.com/dIlmLFU.png

 

Estuve visitando a mi brodel Kevin Encarnacion, tuvo un accidente y se kemo 4% de su kuerpo, tienen ke operarlo, si Dios kiere saldra pronto de esta.

 

Translates roughly to:

I was visiting my bro Kevin Encarnacion. He had an accident and burned 4% of his body. They have to operate. God willing he'll get past this soon.

 

That sucks. Encarnacion is a pretty good prospect (fringe top 30/top 40 guy) and Frandy de la Rosa (second biggest Latin American bonus back in 2012) was in that accident too.

[craig]

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2014/01/15/115-cubs-rookies-notebook/

 

Puff piece, with some actual info. Looks like Kevin Encarnacion and Jose Zapata were among FIVE Cubs in that car crash a little while back, and are doing well, but STILL in the hospital. :eek:

 

 

From Baez's Instagram 3 days ago

 

http://i.imgur.com/dIlmLFU.png

 

Estuve visitando a mi brodel Kevin Encarnacion, tuvo un accidente y se kemo 4% de su kuerpo, tienen ke operarlo, si Dios kiere saldra pronto de esta.

 

Translates roughly to:

I was visiting my bro Kevin Encarnacion. He had an accident and burned 4% of his body. They have to operate. God willing he'll get past this soon.

 

That sucks. Encarnacion is a pretty good prospect (fringe top 30/top 40 guy) and Frandy de la Rosa (second biggest Latin American bonus back in 2012) was in that accident too.

 

And those may have been the least significant prospects involved. Mejia, the big tall pitcher who got $800K or whatever was also listed, and one of their top pitchers from their dominant DSL team. (I don't know whether that pitcher had scouting that matched his stats, but he might be a significant guy.)

[KingCubsFan]

It obviously is possible to overstate it, because we've got people seriously wondering if maybe the current front office got a top-5 prospect out of a kid who may not have been top-100 without their brilliant guidance.

 

(He was also No. 61 in the Jan. 2012 lists)

It's not the new regime's brilliant guidance. It's the old regime's complete ineptitude and their practice of giving hitters advice centered around being aggressive and not taking walks.

[Guest]

Honestly, they probably would have accidentally set him on fire by now. Because that's just how completely awful the old organization was, which is important to believe.

How could one even characterize it as an "organization" at all?

[pitchcs]

I want Javy's calves.

[NOLA]

It obviously is possible to overstate it, because we've got people seriously wondering if maybe the current front office got a top-5 prospect out of a kid who may not have been top-100 without their brilliant guidance.

 

(He was also No. 61 in the Jan. 2012 lists)

It's not the new regime's brilliant guidance. It's the old regime's complete ineptitude and their practice of giving hitters advice centered around being aggressive and not taking walks.

I hate saying "this" but THIS x 1000. How many potentially great hitters were completely fucked over by this nonsense? And how many hitters were absolutely befuddled by the 180 degree turn in philosophy? Castro probably doesn't even like baseball by this point.

[davell]

Both could be all-stars; Baez could be a religion. RT @birenball @ProfessorParks Better big-league career: Baez or Correa

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Both could be all-stars; Baez could be a religion. RT @birenball @ProfessorParks Better big-league career: Baez or Correa

 

I just keep trying to imagine in my head how much WAR you get in the modern, low-offense MLB with a plus-defensive 3b (or average defensive SS) who hits .300 with 40 HRs and average walks.

 

I'm guesstimating it at roughly a billion.

[imb]

lmao i got bored and went back to find the post here where kyle and sully were trolling parks about him ranking Lindor over Baez. I found the tweet, and retweeted it, and now Parks won't leave me alone.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

lmao i got bored and went back to find the post here where kyle and sully were trolling parks about him ranking Lindor over Baez. I found the tweet, and retweeted it, and now Parks won't leave me alone.

 

He just needs to acknowledge that the math isn't on his side. 30 organizations, he can't possibly follow each better than the hard coreiest of their fans.

[Guest]

i <3 imb

[imb]

I can't believe how touchy this guy is, this is funny as hell. You'd think he'd be used to this by now.

[davell]

lmao i got bored and went back to find the post here where kyle and sully were trolling parks about him ranking Lindor over Baez. I found the tweet, and retweeted it, and now Parks won't leave me alone.

 

Oh Jesus, you just gave him the Billy Madison "oh really fool". :lol:

[Guest]

I guess it's a good thing if he isn't full of [expletive] and Baez has accomplished something of note in the last couple months, but come on now lol

[davell]

lmao i got bored and went back to find the post here where kyle and sully were trolling parks about him ranking Lindor over Baez. I found the tweet, and retweeted it, and now Parks won't leave me alone.

 

He just needs to acknowledge that the math isn't on his side. 30 organizations, he can't possibly follow each better than the hard coreiest of their fans.

 

Parks is easily my favorite of the prospect guys, but I agree with Kyle here. Parks certainly has more info at his fingertips than we do, but there's no way he can remember it all, for all 30 teams, unless he's a legit genius. Does he know more than we do, off the top of his head about the elite guys though? Yeah, I'd think so. He's a better scout than we are, so he should.

 

The offseason catch up thing is something he's going to go down swinging on though. And it shouldn't be, because there's no shame in it at all.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What davell said. I really like Parks' work.

[sneakypower]

Both could be all-stars; Baez could be a religion. RT @birenball @ProfessorParks Better big-league career: Baez or Correa

 

I just keep trying to imagine in my head how much WAR you get in the modern, low-offense MLB with a plus-defensive 3b (or average defensive SS) who hits .300 with 40 HRs and average walks.

 

I'm guesstimating it at roughly a billion.

700 PA worth of his '13 stats (.341 OBP, .578 SLG) with average SS D is good for about an even 7 WAR

[davell]

Both could be all-stars; Baez could be a religion. RT @birenball @ProfessorParks Better big-league career: Baez or Correa

 

I just keep trying to imagine in my head how much WAR you get in the modern, low-offense MLB with a plus-defensive 3b (or average defensive SS) who hits .300 with 40 HRs and average walks.

 

I'm guesstimating it at roughly a billion.

700 PA worth of his '13 stats (.341 OBP, .578 SLG) with average SS D is good for about an even 7 WAR

 

Is that the same, if calculated at both SS and 3B? I hate saying this, but I have no idea if positions are weighted differently. Although I think they are, since 1B usually seems to produce low WAR numbers. Although I guess THAT could be because it's just a better offensive position and it's harder to put up truly differentiating numbers from there.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It depends on how you want to do it.

 

You can compare the players defensively to the rest of their position, and then add a positional weight so that tougher positions get a bonus.

 

I think last year Fangraphs switched to doing it the way I prefer: Measure both offense and defense against the entire rest of the league. So "average SS defense" is still like +15 runs of defense.

[Guest]

It depends on how you want to do it.

 

You can compare the players defensively to the rest of their position, and then add a positional weight so that tougher positions get a bonus.

 

I think last year Fangraphs switched to doing it the way I prefer: Measure both offense and defense against the entire rest of the league. So "average SS defense" is still like +15 runs of defense.

 

They did (at some point during the season or right after), which confused the hell out of me when I looked at Rizzo's defensive value numbers a few months ago and they had dropped drastically.

[sneakypower]

700 PA worth of his '13 stats (.341 OBP, .578 SLG) with average SS D is good for about an even 7 WAR

 

Is that the same, if calculated at both SS and 3B? I hate saying this, but I have no idea if positions are weighted differently. Although I think they are, since 1B usually seems to produce low WAR numbers. Although I guess THAT could be because it's just a better offensive position and it's harder to put up truly differentiating numbers from there.

1B seem to get lower numbers, compared to say CFs and SSs, because there's usually a pretty sizable gap in baserunning performance; an extreme example: there was a 2-win gap in Paul Konerko's and Jacoby Ellsbury's baserunning last year

 

to answer the question, WAR considers a +5 fielding 3B as basically equal in value to an average (+0) SS

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

What davell said. I really like Parks' work.

 

Parks is good when he's serious, but he is too [expletive] annoying about everything besides prospects. Wish Ben Badler would take a bigger role at BA.

[davell]

http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/prospect-watch-pierce-johnson-making-cubs-take-notice

 

Puff piece on Johnson, with a quote from Madison saying he expects, PJ, CJ, and Black to be in the Tennessee rotation to begin the year.