Lous a freaking idiot Part 2 2009 season

[dew1679666265]

I love losing 2-1 games with our 2 best pinch hitters never getting in the game. Good job Lou

 

Just out of curiosity, where would you have brought them in?

[JoshiQ]

I love losing 2-1 games with our 2 best pinch hitters never getting in the game. Good job Lou

 

Just out of curiosity, where would you have brought them in?

 

Total fantasy baseball here, but how about Fox PH'ing for Fontenot, Fox going to third if we tie it up. Ramirez out, Blanco at 2nd?

[dew1679666265]

I love losing 2-1 games with our 2 best pinch hitters never getting in the game. Good job Lou

 

Just out of curiosity, where would you have brought them in?

 

Total fantasy baseball here, but how about Fox PH'ing for Fontenot, Fox going to third if we tie it up. Ramirez out, Blanco at 2nd?

 

I could see that. Problem is we eliminate one of the best bats on the team for however long the game lasts in that scenario.

[JoshiQ]

I love losing 2-1 games with our 2 best pinch hitters never getting in the game. Good job Lou

 

Just out of curiosity, where would you have brought them in?

 

Total fantasy baseball here, but how about Fox PH'ing for Fontenot, Fox going to third if we tie it up. Ramirez out, Blanco at 2nd?

 

I could see that. Problem is we eliminate one of the best bats on the team for however long the game lasts in that scenario.

 

And I see that point as well. Especially if the game was tied. But with us behind we have to at least try to tie it.

 

But I'm totally looking in hind sight.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I love losing 2-1 games with our 2 best pinch hitters never getting in the game. Good job Lou

 

Just out of curiosity, where would you have brought them in?

 

Total fantasy baseball here, but how about Fox PH'ing for Fontenot, Fox going to third if we tie it up. Ramirez out, Blanco at 2nd?

 

I could see that. Problem is we eliminate one of the best bats on the team for however long the game lasts in that scenario.

 

Getting to the extra innings should take priority over deciding who to use in the extra innings.

[dew1679666265]

I love losing 2-1 games with our 2 best pinch hitters never getting in the game. Good job Lou

 

Just out of curiosity, where would you have brought them in?

 

Total fantasy baseball here, but how about Fox PH'ing for Fontenot, Fox going to third if we tie it up. Ramirez out, Blanco at 2nd?

 

I could see that. Problem is we eliminate one of the best bats on the team for however long the game lasts in that scenario.

 

Getting to the extra innings should take priority over deciding who to use in the extra innings.

 

Fontenot has been much better this year vs right handers and over his career he's been very good against righties. Fox is hitting better right now, but at last check he was not hitting well as a pinch hitter.

 

Fontenot's a decent bet against righties.

[dew1679666265]

And I see that point as well. Especially if the game was tied. But with us behind we have to at least try to tie it.

 

But I'm totally looking in hind sight.

 

Fox might have been a better option overall there, but I don't think it was all that bad a non-move either.

[JoshiQ]

And I see that point as well. Especially if the game was tied. But with us behind we have to at least try to tie it.

 

But I'm totally looking in hind sight.

 

Fox might have been a better option overall there, but I don't think it was all that bad a non-move either.

 

 

And I kind of 30-70 agree with you. Definitely not something that should be an open and shut case. I'd go with Fox, but going with Fontenot is not the worst decision ever.

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

Fontenot has been much better this year vs right handers and over his career he's been very good against righties. Fox is hitting better right now, but at last check he was not hitting well as a pinch hitter.

 

Fontenot's a decent bet against righties.

 

Check again.......

 

Pinch hitting      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Fox                 8    1    5    2    0    0    1    0    1  0.625  0.667  0.875  1.542  0.714  4.67  0.042  0.500

[dew1679666265]

 

Fontenot has been much better this year vs right handers and over his career he's been very good against righties. Fox is hitting better right now, but at last check he was not hitting well as a pinch hitter.

 

Fontenot's a decent bet against righties.

 

Check again.......

 

Pinch hitting      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
Fox                 8    1    5    2    0    0    1    0    1  0.625  0.667  0.875  1.542  0.714  4.67  0.042  0.500

 

I retract that part then. Thanks Fred.

 

Not sure what number it was I was recollecting.

[NCCubFan]

I would have used Fox as a PH for Fontenot, then if he extended the inning use Soto as a PH for Hill. Get to extra innings (better still, win it in the 9th) and then worry about defensive alignment.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Fontenot is left handed, has a better track record(especially against RHP), was 7 for his last 15 entering tonight, and using him keeps your best hitter in the game. He's 100% the right choice for that situation.

[BigSlick]

Putting Hart in the rotation over Samardzija and Marshall :glare:

Putting Hart in the rotation is pretty bad, but I'd rather he in than Samardzija.

 

Marshall simply isn't stretched out to go, unless you want to piggy back him or something.

 

Really not that many better options, we just could have hoped that Dempster not go and break his foot doing something stupid honestly.

[dew1679666265]

Fontenot is left handed, has a better track record(especially against RHP), was 7 for his last 15 entering tonight, and using him keeps your best hitter in the game. He's 100% the right choice for that situation.

 

This is pretty much my reasoning, but better stated than I did.

[Tracer Bullet]

Fontenot is left handed, has a better track record(especially against RHP), was 7 for his last 15 entering tonight, and using him keeps your best hitter in the game. He's 100% the right choice for that situation.

 

down 1 with 2 outs in the 9th, you'd rather have Fontenot up than Fox right now? As I'm sure you know, Fox has a reverse split (in his time in the majors, an admittedly small sample, it's pretty extreme). And I think the wind was blowing in from right, which makes Fox the better choice to try to hit it out or hit a gapper to left-center and score Soriano from first.

 

With Fox available and raking and down to our last out with a guy on base, I'd much rather have Fox up there.

[UK1679666180]

Soriano's stuff is best suited against RH'ers with that plus/plus slider, his OPS against is nearly .150 lower vs. RH'ers and Fox still struggles against RH'ed sliders (despite crushing them vs. MIL).

 

It was the right move keeping Fontenot in at that time.

[Tracer Bullet]

Soriano's stuff is best suited against RH'ers with that plus/plus slider, his OPS against is nearly .150 lower vs. RH'ers and Fox still struggles against RH'ed sliders (despite crushing them vs. MIL).

 

It was the right move keeping Fontenot in at that time.

 

That may be, but Fontenot looked pretty ridiculous against at least one slider last night. The other problem with using Fontenot, is even if he gets a pitch he can really drive, he wasn't likely to do much hitting into that wind. I guess I just don't like the idea of leaving Fox on the bench with the way he's been crushing RHP when the tying run is on base in the 9th.

[UK1679666180]

Soriano's stuff is best suited against RH'ers with that plus/plus slider, his OPS against is nearly .150 lower vs. RH'ers and Fox still struggles against RH'ed sliders (despite crushing them vs. MIL).

 

It was the right move keeping Fontenot in at that time.

 

That may be, but Fontenot looked pretty ridiculous against at least one slider last night. The other problem with using Fontenot, is even if he gets a pitch he can really drive, he wasn't likely to do much hitting into that wind. I guess I just don't like the idea of leaving Fox on the bench with the way he's been crushing RHP when the tying run is on base in the 9th.

 

You don't need a HR though, you would've needed an XBH to score Soriano against a defense that was shaded back.

 

The most likely outcome would've been back to back hits, not HRs, especially with that wind and Fox vs. that slider.

 

I could've hit those sliders Fox hit on Sunday. His weakness is still sliders low and away as he's a dead pull hitter, he happened to get two up and out over the plate and crushed them.

[Tracer Bullet]

Soriano's stuff is best suited against RH'ers with that plus/plus slider, his OPS against is nearly .150 lower vs. RH'ers and Fox still struggles against RH'ed sliders (despite crushing them vs. MIL).

 

It was the right move keeping Fontenot in at that time.

 

That may be, but Fontenot looked pretty ridiculous against at least one slider last night. The other problem with using Fontenot, is even if he gets a pitch he can really drive, he wasn't likely to do much hitting into that wind. I guess I just don't like the idea of leaving Fox on the bench with the way he's been crushing RHP when the tying run is on base in the 9th.

 

You don't need a HR though, you would've needed an XBH to score Soriano against a defense that was shaded back.

 

The most likely outcome would've been back to back hits, not HRs, especially with that wind and Fox vs. that slider.

 

I could've hit those sliders Fox hit on Sunday. His weakness is still sliders low and away as he's a dead pull hitter, he happened to get two up and out over the plate and crushed them.

 

and that's fine. Let your best PH'r hit and if he gets on, let the next best PH'r hit. If Soriano happened to make a mistake, Fox could have made him pay. I don't think Fontenot could, not hitting into the wind.

[UK1679666180]

You're hoping for a mistake from an outstanding reliever while (in that situation) putting in an inferior hitter over Fontenot.

 

That would've reduced the odds of anything good coming out of it, even lower with Fox over Fontenot.

[Tracer Bullet]

You're hoping for a mistake from an outstanding reliever while (in that situation) putting in an inferior hitter over Fontenot.

 

That would've reduced the odds of anything good coming out of it, even lower with Fox over Fontenot.

 

I'm not hoping for a mistake (well, I am hoping for a mistake, I almost always hope the opposing pitcher makes a mistake, but I'm not expecting one). I don't trust Fontenot against a good reliever more than I trust Fox right now.

 

I'm not sure what your last sentence means.

[UK1679666180]

The only way Fox would've did anything would've been off of sliders like he seen on Sunday. You're looking at it on face value rather than breaking it down, Soriano is deadly vs. RH'ers and Fox can't hit good sliders, it's a horrible match-up for Fox. It doesn't make sense to try and assume that Fox would do better than Fontenot (who has been better of late) against Soriano.

 

The odds were terrible of them doing anything against Soriano, he doesn't give up much and the Cubs collectively can't hit. The odds would have likely decreased if Fox was in there over Fontenot.

 

It would've been a dumb decision had Fox PH'ed for Fontenot.

[Tracer Bullet]

The only way Fox would've did anything would've been off of sliders like he seen on Sunday. You're looking at it on face value rather than breaking it down, Soriano is deadly vs. RH'ers and Fox can't hit good sliders, it's a horrible match-up for Fox. It doesn't make sense to try and assume that Fox would do better than Fontenot (who has been better of late) against Soriano.

 

The odds were terrible of them doing anything against Soriano, he doesn't give up much and the Cubs collectively can't hit. The odds would have likely decreased if Fox was in there over Fontenot.

 

It would've been a dumb decision had Fox PH'ed for Fontenot.

 

No, I'm looking at it the same way you are and coming to a different conclusion. Fontenot hasn't been good. He's 7/15 going into yesterday. Great. He's been terrible over the last 2 weeks and putrid over the last month. Embarrassingly so (<.500 OPS). Had he not had a little hot streak, he would have been in AAA right now.

 

Neither Fox nor Fontenot was a great bet to get a hit against Soriano. Fox can't hit good sliders? Well neither can Fontenot. Frankly, the only way either of them was likely to get a hit was if Soriano made a mistake. But if he made a mistake to Fontenot, Mike was probably going to hit a 300' fly out into the wind. If he made a mistake to Fox, the chances of a good result were much higher.

[17 Seconds]

So let's see. Fukudome gets moved to the leadoff spot and finally starts hitting again. He's doing awesome there and what does Lou do? Move him to third for no reason.

 

Reed Johnson is awful against RHP, so what does Lou do? Bat him leadoff against one of the best RHP in baseball.

 

This guy has got to go.

[wrigley23]

let me guess...you want your man sorry-ano back up there don't you? He can't lead off. He can't play left field. He cannot hit or run anymore & has never taken pitches. He's now a malcontent & has 5 more no trade yrs of bust the bank contract $ coming his way.