Marlins getting a new ballpark.

[Bote McBoteface]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090323&content_id=4055912&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

 

dumb.

[UMFan83]

Guess they are banking on the economy recovering during the next 3 years. I'm happy for the Marlins (even though I still hate them), but I'm surprised it passed in this economy after failing so many other times.

 

Miami Marlins in 3 years.

[Guest]

Guess they are banking on the economy recovering during the next 3 years. I'm happy for the Marlins (even though I still hate them), but I'm surprised it passed in this economy after failing so many other times.

 

Miami Marlins in 3 years.

It passed because the right palms were greased on the city commission. I cannot think of a worse place to put the ballpark. It will be like where the Yankees play only worse b/c they won't have near enough police.

[Shilzzz]

whenever i think of baseball in miami, i think of

 

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k188/toddhundleysucks/waytogocubbies.jpg?t=1237866768

[SouthSideRyan]

Rot in Hell Jeff Loria

[fivepercent]

Guess they are banking on the economy recovering during the next 3 years. I'm happy for the Marlins (even though I still hate them), but I'm surprised it passed in this economy after failing so many other times.

 

Miami Marlins in 3 years.

It passed because the right palms were greased on the city commission. I cannot think of a worse place to put the ballpark. It will be like where the Yankees play only worse b/c they won't have near enough police.

 

i agree...just awful. id much rather go the football stadium in a decent part of town to watch a game than get anywhere near little havana at night.

[NCCubFan]

Guess they are banking on the economy recovering during the next 3 years. I'm happy for the Marlins (even though I still hate them), but I'm surprised it passed in this economy after failing so many other times.

 

Miami Marlins in 3 years.

And sometime in the next 6 years they shift to the AL so the Cubs can beat them in the 2015 World Series.

[hardcorecubfan]

Now they can have luxury boxes for all three of their fans.

[Sammys Boombox]

whenever i think of baseball in miami, i think of

 

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k188/toddhundleysucks/waytogocubbies.jpg?t=1237866768

 

I was thinking about this. They are changing the name to Miami. Now all we need is for them to move to the AL and change their team name.

 

The new ballpark is ugly as sin.

[jersey cubs fan]

Guess they are banking on the economy recovering during the next 3 years. I'm happy for the Marlins (even though I still hate them), but I'm surprised it passed in this economy after failing so many other times.

 

Miami Marlins in 3 years.

It passed because the right palms were greased on the city commission. I cannot think of a worse place to put the ballpark. It will be like where the Yankees play only worse b/c they won't have near enough police.

 

i agree...just awful. id much rather go the football stadium in a decent part of town to watch a game than get anywhere near little havana at night.

 

Stadiums going up in bad neighborhoods is nothing new. Without Comiskey would anyone ever venture toward that neighborhood? What about Camden Yards, Yankee Stadium, Shea, Philly, Pittsburgh. One of the worst places in the country, Camden, New Jersey, has a fairly successful 25,000 person concert venue located there. Well known hell-hole Newark, New Jersey is now home to a minor league baseball stadium and a hockey arena.

 

I don't think you can compare simply walking through the area today with what it will be like once there is an actual stadium with thousands of people showing up.

[SouthSideRyan]

Without Comiskey would anyone ever venture toward that neighborhood?

 

Bridgeport??

[fivepercent]

Guess they are banking on the economy recovering during the next 3 years. I'm happy for the Marlins (even though I still hate them), but I'm surprised it passed in this economy after failing so many other times.

 

Miami Marlins in 3 years.

It passed because the right palms were greased on the city commission. I cannot think of a worse place to put the ballpark. It will be like where the Yankees play only worse b/c they won't have near enough police.

 

i agree...just awful. id much rather go the football stadium in a decent part of town to watch a game than get anywhere near little havana at night.

 

Stadiums going up in bad neighborhoods is nothing new. Without Comiskey would anyone ever venture toward that neighborhood? What about Camden Yards, Yankee Stadium, Shea, Philly, Pittsburgh. One of the worst places in the country, Camden, New Jersey, has a fairly successful 25,000 person concert venue located there. Well known hell-hole Newark, New Jersey is now home to a minor league baseball stadium and a hockey arena.

 

I don't think you can compare simply walking through the area today with what it will be like once there is an actual stadium with thousands of people showing up.

 

Theres already been a stadium there...The Orange Bowl. Everyone I've ever talked to that had been to a game there(me included) wasnt too fond of the neighborhood at any point in the day.

[jersey cubs fan]

Theres already been a stadium there...The Orange Bowl. Everyone I've ever talked to that had been to a game there(me included) wasnt too fond of the neighborhood at any point in the day.

 

A stadium that hosted what, a half dozen college games per year? A new baseball stadium is a different animal, hosting 81 gamers per year, many during the night. It will change the neighborhood in some way shape or form.

[SouthSideRyan]

Theres already been a stadium there...The Orange Bowl. Everyone I've ever talked to that had been to a game there(me included) wasnt too fond of the neighborhood at any point in the day.

 

A stadium that hosted what, a half dozen college games per year? A new baseball stadium is a different animal, hosting 81 gamers per year, many during the night. It will change the neighborhood in some way shape or form.

 

Not if nobody cares about the team.

[Sammy Sofa]

Theres already been a stadium there...The Orange Bowl. Everyone I've ever talked to that had been to a game there(me included) wasnt too fond of the neighborhood at any point in the day.

 

A stadium that hosted what, a half dozen college games per year? A new baseball stadium is a different animal, hosting 81 gamers per year, many during the night. It will change the neighborhood in some way shape or form.

 

Not if nobody cares about the team.

 

Which likely won't be the case given their TV ratings down there.

[jersey cubs fan]

Theres already been a stadium there...The Orange Bowl. Everyone I've ever talked to that had been to a game there(me included) wasnt too fond of the neighborhood at any point in the day.

 

A stadium that hosted what, a half dozen college games per year? A new baseball stadium is a different animal, hosting 81 gamers per year, many during the night. It will change the neighborhood in some way shape or form.

 

Not if nobody cares about the team.

 

"Nobody" is relative. It takes time to build fan bases. Florida has a couple titles which I'm sure created some passion that can grow. The issue now is creating a team that contends on a regular basis. Win and dismantle might work for a team like the Cubs, whose fans are dying for just one, but it's safe to say it doesn't work with expansion teams. Nobody shows up to or cares about Pirates games, because they are god awful every year. Florida still hasn't won a division title, they've finished 4th or worse nine times. If you are consistently noncompetitive and play in a god awful baseball stadium, you just aren't going to draw fans. A stadium alone won't bring them out for long (although it's better than nothing), a stadium plus competition will make them as viable as several other baseball cities.

[Guest]

Theres already been a stadium there...The Orange Bowl. Everyone I've ever talked to that had been to a game there(me included) wasnt too fond of the neighborhood at any point in the day.

 

A stadium that hosted what, a half dozen college games per year? A new baseball stadium is a different animal, hosting 81 gamers per year, many during the night. It will change the neighborhood in some way shape or form.

 

Not if nobody cares about the team.

 

Which likely won't be the case given their TV ratings down there.

Their TV rating from last year weren't that good and they were up 21% from the year before. And again people don't come to the games not because of where they play. Where they currently play is actually a good location.

 

The Stadium is going to be in a neighborhood with worse parking than Wrigleyville and it's going to be sandwiched between two very busy highways that are congested at all hours of the day and night.

[SouthSideRyan]

And the spawn of satan isn't going to be dropping cash to make anything change about the Marlins front office strategy.

[jersey cubs fan]

Where they currently play is actually a good location.

 

No it's not. Suburban baseball stadiums just don't work, and football fields do not work for baseball. There isn't a single successful football stadium in the middle of nowhere where a baseaball team plays. It doesn't work, and it won't work with an expension team especially.

[Guest]

Where they currently play is actually a good location.

 

No it's not. Suburban baseball stadiums just don't work, and football fields do not work for baseball. There isn't a single successful football stadium in the middle of nowhere where a baseaball team plays. It doesn't work, and it won't work with an expension team especially.

 

It's not in the middle of nowhere. Maybe it seems to you that it is, but it's not. The reason why they need a new place to play has nothing to do with the location and everything to do with Loria not making any money on his team. I would be upset if I were him too. The original plan was for the team to get a large parcel of land near Dolphin Stadium. However, the city and and county fought over who would get the tax revenue so it never got done. In fact, that was the plan from the beginning. Then there was a plan for them to move to Broward. This plan only came about when it became apparent that the orange bowl was no longer viable.

 

The best analogy I can think of for this location is a combination of New Comisky and The Bronx.

[Sammy Sofa]

Again, I cannot imagine how you think the current location is a good location. You're literally the lone person I've heard pushing that.

[cubbinalltheway]

i'm curious which of you, or if either of you (cubinny and jerseycubsfan), have ever actually been to a game there, or even been in the area which you're talking about.

[OleMissCub]

Having a retractable roof stadium is going to help them A LOT.

[OleMissCub]

 

No it's not. Suburban baseball stadiums just don't work, and football fields do not work for baseball. There isn't a single successful football stadium in the middle of nowhere where a baseaball team plays.

 

Correct. I guess the only team now that has no future ballpark plans that still plays in a football stadium are the A's, and I've heard lots of talk about them moving to San Jose by like 2011 or 2012.

[Guest]

Again, I cannot imagine how you think the current location is a good location. You're literally the lone person I've heard pushing that.

I'm sure you talk to a lot of people about this. I lived in Miami for 3 years. The problem is that Loria cannot make any money because he signed a lease giving food and parking consessions to the Blockbuster dude. Consequently he's done little to get people to want to go see the team. One year they didn't have media guides done until the third week of the season.

 

The fact that they play in a football stadium is simply an excuse. Maybe it's a valid one I don't know. I do know, it's not a bad place to see a game. Loria needs a new park so he can increase revenue. He hasn't been that particular about where it's put so long as he doesn't have to pay for it.