2009 NFL Draft Thread

[dew1679666265]

Berry is a top 5 pick. At safety.

 

This could just be because he's Berry's DC now, but Monte said there was no doubt in his mind that Berry should be the #1 player in the draft next year. As a safety.

 

If Monte means that, it's incredibly high praise.

[dew1679666265]

Demps will probably turn in the best 40 in 2012 and he'll probably be a member of the 100m Olympic Team. Davis would date him.

 

I hope Davis likes Demps so much he croaks.

 

And you're right. Demps could be injured and average negative yards per carry and catch, but if he runs a ridiculously fast 40, Davis will draft him two rounds before he should go.

 

Davis will absolutely go crazy over most of Florida's players. It's a team built on speed, especially Demps and Rainey.

 

Meph, what position does that awesome punt returner play that burned Tennessee so badly the last couple years? Brandon something I think his name is. Davis will absolutely adore him.

[Jehrico]

Yeah, the Eagles just barely missed my top 5. Lions would have been there as well if they would have taken Oher instead of Pettigrew.

i still can't get over it. you have a franchise LT in Oher and DT in Jerry fall in your laps at 20 and you opt for a luxury position in TE. now they're still stuck starting Jeff Backus and Chuck Darby. Delmas would be acceptable if they didn't already use 2nd rounders the last two years with Gerald Alexander and Bullocks. so now Paris Lenon stays put. a team ridden with pressing holes did virtually nothing to patch up any of them, save maybe QB.

 

nasty.

If you go 0-16, there's no excuse for taking a tight end in the first round of the draft. The guy might be a hall of famer, but if you have so many holes on your team that you went 0-16, you don't take a tight end in the first round. Period.

[Jehrico]

Rich Eisen beats Chris Berman any day of the week.

Not that that is saying much, but I totally agree.

[Jehrico]

I'm surprised no one has picked up Derek Pegues yet. Kinda surprising that someone who is a back to back All-SEC DB would go undrafted much less still unsigned by anyone.

He could be weighing options between a couple of different teams. It's better to go undrafted than at the bottom of the 7th round.

[mhuber92211]

I know that since I am a fan, i am biased but I think the Seahawks draft is being overlooked. I think its because they only had 3 real picks but their haul is impressive.

 

Aaron Curry (Best player in the draft - who said Crabtree was is SERIOUSLY wrong)

Max Unger (Starter right away at any Interior Line position)

Deon Butler (Younger version of their best reciever the last 2 years - Bobby Engram)

2010 Denver 1st rounder (likely at least top 15 pick - confirmed it was Denver's and not Chicago's by ESPN)

 

That is a pretty good draft. No reaches and no position left out that was a true need coming into the draft. Add that to recinding Hill's franchise tag giving them the options to sign Derrick Brooks and Ken Lucas (already being discussed)

 

I think an A- grade is pretty appropiate.

[jersey cubs fan]

I know that since I am a fan, i am biased but I think the Seahawks draft is being overlooked. I think its because they only had 3 real picks but their haul is impressive.

 

Aaron Curry (Best player in the draft - who said Crabtree was is SERIOUSLY wrong)

Max Unger (Starter right away at any Interior Line position)

Deon Butler (Younger version of their best reciever the last 2 years - Bobby Engram)

2010 Denver 1st rounder (likely at least top 15 pick - confirmed it was Denver's and not Chicago's by ESPN)

 

That is a pretty good draft. No reaches and no position left out that was a true need coming into the draft. Add that to recinding Hill's franchise tag giving them the options to sign Derrick Brooks and Ken Lucas (already being discussed)

 

I think an A- grade is pretty appropiate.

 

Yeah, I didn't see the trade at first, but when I heard about it thought that was huge for Seattle. They will probably not be all that special this year, but with 2 firsts next year they are in a great position to rebuild quickly.

[brinoch]

you got to be kidding me, someone actually watch and followed that crap. Half will get blown out knees in the training camps the other 99 percent you will never here of again

 

How does the NFL stay in business if no players will ever actually be successful?

 

Great surgeons.

[Soul]

I know that since I am a fan, i am biased but I think the Seahawks draft is being overlooked. I think its because they only had 3 real picks but their haul is impressive.

 

Aaron Curry (Best player in the draft - who said Crabtree was is SERIOUSLY wrong)

Max Unger (Starter right away at any Interior Line position)

Deon Butler (Younger version of their best reciever the last 2 years - Bobby Engram)

2010 Denver 1st rounder (likely at least top 15 pick - confirmed it was Denver's and not Chicago's by ESPN)

 

That is a pretty good draft. No reaches and no position left out that was a true need coming into the draft. Add that to recinding Hill's franchise tag giving them the options to sign Derrick Brooks and Ken Lucas (already being discussed)

 

I think an A- grade is pretty appropiate.

 

Yeah, I didn't see the trade at first, but when I heard about it thought that was huge for Seattle. They will probably not be all that special this year, but with 2 firsts next year they are in a great position to rebuild quickly.

 

I really, really like the Curry pick for Seattle.

[Guest]

I know that since I am a fan, i am biased but I think the Seahawks draft is being overlooked. I think its because they only had 3 real picks but their haul is impressive.

 

Aaron Curry (Best player in the draft - who said Crabtree was is SERIOUSLY wrong)

Max Unger (Starter right away at any Interior Line position)

Deon Butler (Younger version of their best reciever the last 2 years - Bobby Engram)

2010 Denver 1st rounder (likely at least top 15 pick - confirmed it was Denver's and not Chicago's by ESPN)

 

That is a pretty good draft. No reaches and no position left out that was a true need coming into the draft. Add that to recinding Hill's franchise tag giving them the options to sign Derrick Brooks and Ken Lucas (already being discussed)

 

I think an A- grade is pretty appropiate.

 

I'm not a fan of Butler but Curry, Unger and Denver's 2010 1st is a fantastic haul. I agree with you that Curry is the best player in this draft.

[Mephistopheles]

Two things here:

 

1. Berry is a better S then Mays and Wright combined. Quite possibly the biggest game changer in college currently.

 

2. McCoy is a better pure QB than Tebow. The stats lie and say otherwise, but that is mostly due to the UF guys breaking big plays on short throws.

 

You couldn't be more wrong on number two. The stats may lie if you do not to notice that Tebow's throws themselves are more vertical oriented than anyone else's. Sure his guys gobble up YAC yardage, but three-fourths of Tebow's passes last season were 10 yards 8 yards or more downfield. Then the guys caught them and turned in quality YAC yardage. He also threw a higher percentage of 30+ yard passes than anyone else in the game. Tebow throws the ball down field. It's pretty simple. On the other hand nearly 9 out of 10 of McCoy's passes were within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage. The different is night and day and you've got it backwards. You and I both know the only game you watch closely was the UF/FSU game. That was pretty much the only game where Tebow didn't throw the ball down field 24/7. It could have something to do with playing in a monsoon and being up big you know.

 

And you'd take Berry on FSU before Tebow next season? That's asinine.

[dew1679666265]

Two things here:

 

1. Berry is a better S then Mays and Wright combined. Quite possibly the biggest game changer in college currently.

 

2. McCoy is a better pure QB than Tebow. The stats lie and say otherwise, but that is mostly due to the UF guys breaking big plays on short throws.

 

You couldn't be more wrong on number two. The stats may lie if you do not to notice that Tebow's throws themselves are more vertical oriented than anyone else's. Sure his guys gobble up YAC yardage, but three-fourths of Tebow's passes last season were 10 yards 8 yards or more downfield. Then the guys caught them and turned in quality YAC yardage. He also threw a higher percentage of 30+ yard passes than anyone else in the game. Tebow throws the ball down field. It's pretty simple. On the other hand nearly 9 out of 10 of McCoy's passes were within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage. The different is night and day and you've got it backwards. You and I both know the only game you watch closely was the UF/FSU game. That was pretty much the only game where Tebow didn't throw the ball down field 24/7. It could have something to do with playing in a monsoon and being up big you know.

 

And you'd take Berry on FSU before Tebow next season? That's asinine.

 

I'd be curious to see how Tebow does throwing to mostly covered receivers. I watched quite a bit of Florida last year and most of the time Tebow's targets were simply faster than a lot of the defenders they faced - leading to Tebow having really easy throws most of the year.

 

I'm not sure he has the arm to make the tight, tough throws against NFL competition. But then again, I'm not sure McCoy has the arm either.

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, the Eagles just barely missed my top 5. Lions would have been there as well if they would have taken Oher instead of Pettigrew.

i still can't get over it. you have a franchise LT in Oher and DT in Jerry fall in your laps at 20 and you opt for a luxury position in TE. now they're still stuck starting Jeff Backus and Chuck Darby. Delmas would be acceptable if they didn't already use 2nd rounders the last two years with Gerald Alexander and Bullocks. so now Paris Lenon stays put. a team ridden with pressing holes did virtually nothing to patch up any of them, save maybe QB.

 

nasty.

If you go 0-16, there's no excuse for taking a tight end in the first round of the draft. The guy might be a hall of famer, but if you have so many holes on your team that you went 0-16, you don't take a tight end in the first round. Period.

 

Why not? They're not filling all their holes this year anyway, so why not fill some of the holes with the best players there.

 

I'll agree that taking Pettigrew over Oher is a bit baffling, but it's not the difference between them competing this year or not. It's a 2-3 year process that Schwartz is undergoing and I think he drafted that way.

[Mephistopheles]

Two things here:

 

1. Berry is a better S then Mays and Wright combined. Quite possibly the biggest game changer in college currently.

 

2. McCoy is a better pure QB than Tebow. The stats lie and say otherwise, but that is mostly due to the UF guys breaking big plays on short throws.

 

You couldn't be more wrong on number two. The stats may lie if you do not to notice that Tebow's throws themselves are more vertical oriented than anyone else's. Sure his guys gobble up YAC yardage, but three-fourths of Tebow's passes last season were 10 yards 8 yards or more downfield. Then the guys caught them and turned in quality YAC yardage. He also threw a higher percentage of 30+ yard passes than anyone else in the game. Tebow throws the ball down field. It's pretty simple. On the other hand nearly 9 out of 10 of McCoy's passes were within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage. The different is night and day and you've got it backwards. You and I both know the only game you watch closely was the UF/FSU game. That was pretty much the only game where Tebow didn't throw the ball down field 24/7. It could have something to do with playing in a monsoon and being up big you know.

 

And you'd take Berry on FSU before Tebow next season? That's asinine.

 

I'd be curious to see how Tebow does throwing to mostly covered receivers. I watched quite a bit of Florida last year and most of the time Tebow's targets were simply faster than a lot of the defenders they faced - leading to Tebow having really easy throws most of the year.

 

I'm not sure he has the arm to make the tight, tough throws against NFL competition. But then again, I'm not sure McCoy has the arm either.

 

Well almost no one in the Big XII plays coverage worth crap. Watching their defenses on TV doesn't do justice. The games I went to I was amazed about how big of throwing windows McCoy and UT's opponents had to throw into. I'd say Tebow had no better passing windows than Bradford or McCoy and probably worse ones despite the superior receivers. From what I saw Tebow's accuracy on the deep outs and fades was very good. It's the over the middle crossing routes he needs better accuracy on. He's gotta work on that, but unlike McCoy the tools are there. He's not good at it because he hasn't been forced to do it. Neither has Bradford for that matter.

[dew1679666265]

Well almost no one in the Big XII plays coverage worth crap. Watching their defenses on TV doesn't do justice. The games I went to I was amazed about how big of throwing windows McCoy and UT's opponents had to throw into. I'd say Tebow had no better passing windows than Bradford or McCoy and probably worse ones despite the superior receivers. From what I saw Tebow's accuracy on the deep outs and fades was very good. It's the over the middle crossing routes he needs better accuracy on. He's gotta work on that, but unlike McCoy the tools are there. He's not good at it because he hasn't been forced to do it. Neither has Bradford for that matter.

 

Tebow's number one problem is mechanics and system. If he can improve his throwing mechanics and prove he can run an offense from under center, I think he might become a first day QB prospect and not just a first round athlete.

 

I'd like to see his deep arm strength a little better as well. I haven't seen a lot of deep outs from him or the go-routes down the sidelines. I think he's got a better arm for those throws than McCoy, but I also think Bradford is better suited for those throws.

 

His athlete reputation is always going to drag on him a bit, though. People will think first about the running ability and gimmick throws (the jump pass) until well into the scouting period next year.

[Mephistopheles]

He threw tons of go routes down the sideline to Demps, Rainey, Murphy and Cooper last season (not many to Harvin, contrary to '08). He took at least four or five shots on 30+ go routes a game. As for taking snaps under center. How many did Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco take in college?

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I can't wait for a year after next to watch the great Tim Tebow fail in the NFL. It is going to be glorious. Then he will go off to Zimbabwe to try to convert kids to catholicism.

[dew1679666265]

He threw tons of go routes down the sideline to Demps, Harvin, Murphy and Cooper last season (not many to Harvin, contrary to '08). He took at least four or five shots on 30+ go routes a game. As for taking snaps under center. How many did Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco take in college?

 

Hmmm, I must have been watching at the wrong times to see the go routes - or at least don't remember them. I'll have to watch for them this year (I'm sure Urban will toss some out for UT this year).

 

As for taking snaps under center, that was a question for all of them. It was a question for Bomar and Harrell this year and will be a question for Tebow and Devlin next year. It'll actually be tougher for Tebow because of the spread option Urban runs. Tebow ran the ball nearly as much as he threw it, so there will be less tape of him throwing it even from the shotgun than for the rest of the QBs (outside of Devlin, at least).

 

I think Urban would do well to stick an I-form or singleback set into the playbook to run when Florida is up handily on a team, in order to give scouts some tape on him showing he can run an offense from under center.

[dew1679666265]

I can't wait for a year after next to watch the great Tim Tebow fail in the NFL. It is going to be glorious. Then he will go off to Zimbabwe to try to convert kids to catholicism.

 

He's far too athletic to fail. He may not stick as a QB, but I'll be shocked if he doesn't excel with a team at another position.

[Mephistopheles]

They implemented an under center package this spring. I wouldn't expect to see much of it, though. As far as the game vs Tenn, I can promise you Urban will run up the score in that game if you give him a chance to. That's one thing Urban doesn't do often, he picks his spots to do it, but for the most part Tebow never played the fourth quarter, unlike *cough* some QB ~400 miles north of here. Sure Brantley, Moody and company would run up the score some in the fourth. If you can't stop the Gators' 4th string TB and backup QB they should be allowed to run it up. Not that Brantley and Moody suck or anything. Brantley's probably as good as a pro QB prospect as Tebow. Moody's probably the best NFL prospect among the Gators backfield (Demps and Rainey aren't really good ones).

[dew1679666265]

They implemented an under center package this spring. I wouldn't expect to see much of it, though. As far as the game vs Tenn, I can promise you Urban will run up the score in that game if you give him a chance to. That's one thing Urban doesn't do often, he picks his spots to do it, but for the most part Tebow never played the fourth quarter, unlike *cough* some QB ~400 miles north of here. Sure Brantley, Moody and company would run up the score some in the fourth. If you can't stop the Gators' 4th string TB and backup QB they should be allowed to run it up. Not that Brantley and Moody suck or anything. Brantley's probably as good as a pro QB prospect as Tebow. Moody's probably the best NFL prospect among the Gators backfield (Demps and Rainey aren't really good ones).

 

Yeah I heard Urban put an under center package in. It's a good idea, used sparingly in situations to make Tebow look good.

 

Is that Oklahoma you're referring to about the 4th quarter thing?

[Mephistopheles]

Of course.

[RedFlash]

I can't wait for a year after next to watch the great Tim Tebow fail in the NFL. It is going to be glorious. Then he will go off to Zimbabwe to try to convert kids to catholicism.

 

He's far too athletic to fail. He may not stick as a QB, but I'll be shocked if he doesn't excel with a team at another position.

 

 

Here is something most people either already know..............Alabama recruited Tim Tebow. But here's what most people don't know is that Mike Shula/Bama recruited Tim Tebow as a LBer moreso then an offensive player. So there's a chance that somebody COULD therotically take Tebow and switch him to LBer. Not saying it's likely, but you'll never know.

[stuy119]

I can't wait for a year after next to watch the great Tim Tebow fail in the NFL. It is going to be glorious. Then he will go off to Zimbabwe to try to convert kids to catholicism.

 

He's far too athletic to fail. He may not stick as a QB, but I'll be shocked if he doesn't excel with a team at another position.

 

 

Here is something most people either already know..............Alabama recruited Tim Tebow. But here's what most people don't know is that Mike Shula/Bama recruited Tim Tebow as a LBer moreso then an offensive player. So there's a chance that somebody COULD therotically take Tebow and switch him to LBer. Not saying it's likely, but you'll never know.

 

And that's supposedly what Urban told Jevan Snead as well.

[Cubswin11]

I can't wait for a year after next to watch the great Tim Tebow fail in the NFL. It is going to be glorious. Then he will go off to Zimbabwe to try to convert kids to catholicism.

 

He's far too athletic to fail. He may not stick as a QB, but I'll be shocked if he doesn't excel with a team at another position.

Yeah he'll stick at some position in the NFL. It's important he gets into the right system though. I could see him making it at TE, FB, RB (Wild cat offense 5-10 carries a game), or some limited reps at QB either in the red zone or in a wild cat style offense. He might even be able to make it as a LB.