2009 NFL Draft Thread

[rawaction]

and the Bears don't trade up, which they shouldn't

 

With all the talk about how horrible higher picks are nowadays, and how nobody wants to trade up and everybody wants to trade down, I think a shrewd NFL GM should be able to make a great deal moving up to get the guy he wants this year.

 

That's a good point. Though trading up involves losing picks, which the Bears can't afford to do.

[Splendid_Splinter]

Where is Vontae Davis going? Round wise.

Davis is a first round draft pick, probably in the top 15.

[illiniguy]

Where is Vontae Davis going? Round wise.

Davis is a first round draft pick, probably in the top 15.

Wow, really?

[jersey cubs fan]

and the Bears don't trade up, which they shouldn't

 

With all the talk about how horrible higher picks are nowadays, and how nobody wants to trade up and everybody wants to trade down, I think a shrewd NFL GM should be able to make a great deal moving up to get the guy he wants this year.

 

That's a good point. Though trading up involves losing picks, which the Bears can't afford to do.

 

You can also trade players. Angelo seems to know how to maneuver up in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds, if he finds the right player and right trading partner, I could see trading up in the 1st, then moving back in the later rounds to maintain the same number of picks overall, or close to it. Hey, it's not like they have been spot on with their 2nd and 3rd rounders. I'd much rather trade up for a stud in round one than end up with a Bazuin or Wolfe later.

[wolf stansson]

Where is Vontae Davis going? Round wise.

Davis is a first round draft pick, probably in the top 15.

Wow, really?

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

#15 to the Pats in this one. Aka, you'll see him in a Pro Bowl in two years.

[Butterscup1679666578]

As mentioned, Maclin is announcing tomorrow. He's holding a press conference. I can't imagine you'd hold a press conference to announce you were staying, so I'm assuming he's gone.

 

Mizzou homerism aside, I'd love for the Bears to look at Maclin or William Moore in the first round.

[illiniguy]

Where is Vontae Davis going? Round wise.

Davis is a first round draft pick, probably in the top 15.

Wow, really?

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

#15 to the Pats in this one. Aka, you'll see him in a Pro Bowl in two years.

Nice, where would Benn be if he were elligible to come out?

[Soul]

and the Bears don't trade up, which they shouldn't

 

With all the talk about how horrible higher picks are nowadays, and how nobody wants to trade up and everybody wants to trade down, I think a shrewd NFL GM should be able to make a great deal moving up to get the guy he wants this year.

 

That's a good point. Though trading up involves losing picks, which the Bears can't afford to do.

 

You can also trade players. Angelo seems to know how to maneuver up in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds, if he finds the right player and right trading partner, I could see trading up in the 1st, then moving back in the later rounds to maintain the same number of picks overall, or close to it. Hey, it's not like they have been spot on with their 2nd and 3rd rounders. I'd much rather trade up for a stud in round one than end up with a Bazuin or Wolfe later.

 

Yeah, he's never traded up in the 1st though -- that I can remember.

[jersey cubs fan]

and the Bears don't trade up, which they shouldn't

 

With all the talk about how horrible higher picks are nowadays, and how nobody wants to trade up and everybody wants to trade down, I think a shrewd NFL GM should be able to make a great deal moving up to get the guy he wants this year.

 

That's a good point. Though trading up involves losing picks, which the Bears can't afford to do.

 

You can also trade players. Angelo seems to know how to maneuver up in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds, if he finds the right player and right trading partner, I could see trading up in the 1st, then moving back in the later rounds to maintain the same number of picks overall, or close to it. Hey, it's not like they have been spot on with their 2nd and 3rd rounders. I'd much rather trade up for a stud in round one than end up with a Bazuin or Wolfe later.

 

Yeah, he's never traded up in the 1st though -- that I can remember.

 

I realize that, but it's beside the point. Angelo was trading down when everybody thought it was awesome to trade up. Now everybody thinks it's horrible to trade up. It seems to me the real value of higher picks is probably underappreciated at this point in time.

[Guest]

Where is Vontae Davis going? Round wise.

Davis is a first round draft pick, probably in the top 15.

Wow, really?

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

#15 to the Pats in this one. Aka, you'll see him in a Pro Bowl in two years.

Nice, where would Benn be if he were elligible to come out?

 

I think he'll be top 15 next year. This year, I'd take him after Crabtree but before Maclin.

[Guest]

Mays is the fastest player on USC. Straight line speed isn't an issue. Maybe at his size you're concerned about hip flexibility and his ability to turn and run. He would be an interesting OLB prospect but I think he'll stick at safety as well.

 

Exactly, his speed is just fine despite his size.

[illiniguy]

Where is Vontae Davis going? Round wise.

Davis is a first round draft pick, probably in the top 15.

Wow, really?

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

#15 to the Pats in this one. Aka, you'll see him in a Pro Bowl in two years.

Nice, where would Benn be if he were elligible to come out?

 

I think he'll be top 15 next year. This year, I'd take him after Crabtree but before Maclin.

Kinda what I figured. Crabtree is a stud.

[SpongeWorthy]

I like Maclin's game but I think Crab would be a better fit for the Bears. We need a reliable chain mover and a guy that excels in the intermediate passing game. Maclin's a game breaker but we have one of those already.

[Guest]

I like Maclin's game but I think Crab would be a better fit for the Bears. We need a reliable chain mover and a guy that excels in the intermediate passing game. Maclin's a game breaker but we have one of those already.

 

Agreed. Of course Maclin is infinitely more likely to be there when the Bears pick.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I like Maclin's game but I think Crab would be a better fit for the Bears. We need a reliable chain mover and a guy that excels in the intermediate passing game. Maclin's a game breaker but we have one of those already.

 

Hester and Maclin aren't even close to the same player though. Maclin is an actual WR. He's got great speed and great hands, along with being an intelligent player and solid route runner. Hester isn't a WR. He can't catch and he all he can run is a slant and a streak. Maclin's gotten this rep that he's similar to Hester, when he really isn't. He's a talented WR who just happens to be a talented returner as well.

 

And I'd take Crab over Maclin too, but there's no way Crabtree falls to us.

[SpongeWorthy]

Well obviously Maclin and Crab (and every other WR in the draft) has a more developed game than Hester did coming out of school. But I would compare Maclin to a Desean Jackson type. He can stretch the field, be awesome in the kicking game, take the ball on reverses, and just generally make the big plays. We have that in Hester.

 

Both would be a huge upgrade over the crap that's on the roster now but I think Crab fills a need better.

[Butterscup1679666578]

People also forget Maclin is 6'1" 200 lbs. He's a good-sized receiver.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

and the Bears don't trade up, which they shouldn't

 

With all the talk about how horrible higher picks are nowadays, and how nobody wants to trade up and everybody wants to trade down, I think a shrewd NFL GM should be able to make a great deal moving up to get the guy he wants this year.

 

That's a good point. Though trading up involves losing picks, which the Bears can't afford to do.

 

You can also trade players. Angelo seems to know how to maneuver up in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds, if he finds the right player and right trading partner, I could see trading up in the 1st, then moving back in the later rounds to maintain the same number of picks overall, or close to it. Hey, it's not like they have been spot on with their 2nd and 3rd rounders. I'd much rather trade up for a stud in round one than end up with a Bazuin or Wolfe later.

Cause our first round picks the last...how many years...have been good?

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Year Sel # Player Position School

2008 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

2007 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami (Fla.)

2006 No Pick --

2005 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas

2004 14 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma

2003 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn State

2003 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida

2002 29 Marc Colombo T Boston College

2001 8 David Terrell WR Michigan

2000 9 Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico

1999 12 Cade McNown QB UCLA

1998 5 Curtis Enis RB Penn State

 

yikes. That's how you kill a team.

Edited January 8, 2009 by burnt out cubbie fan

[jersey cubs fan]

and the Bears don't trade up, which they shouldn't

 

With all the talk about how horrible higher picks are nowadays, and how nobody wants to trade up and everybody wants to trade down, I think a shrewd NFL GM should be able to make a great deal moving up to get the guy he wants this year.

 

That's a good point. Though trading up involves losing picks, which the Bears can't afford to do.

 

You can also trade players. Angelo seems to know how to maneuver up in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds, if he finds the right player and right trading partner, I could see trading up in the 1st, then moving back in the later rounds to maintain the same number of picks overall, or close to it. Hey, it's not like they have been spot on with their 2nd and 3rd rounders. I'd much rather trade up for a stud in round one than end up with a Bazuin or Wolfe later.

Cause our first round picks the last...how many years...have been good?

 

And......? Yeah, they've struggled with first round picks. Perhaps that's because they've traded down all the time. Maybe they'd be better if they traded up to get the elite guys.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

They've failed on the "elite" guys. Look at their top 15 picks in the last 10 years.

[jersey cubs fan]

They've failed on the "elite" guys. Look at their top 15 picks in the last 10 years.

 

Their highest pick was Benson, and he was the 3rd RB taken in the top 4. It's never a good sign to pick at the end of a run at any one position. Regardless, Angelo's crew hasn't been here 10 years. His picks have been mostly bottom 3rd (Columbo, Grossman, Olsen, Manning-traded out of first), or middle third (Williams, Harris, Haynes). They've had one top 10 pick.

 

I see no reason to assume they can't pick a good player in the top half of the first.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

He was the 2nd running back taken, caddy was still on the board. And you don't see any reason he can't pick well in the top half?

 

Chris Williams (granted he has time but the neck injury really scares me), Cedric Benson, Tommie Harris, Michael Haynes

 

All 4 of those players were drafted in the top half of the first round. What tells you that he can pick a good player in the top half?

[rawaction]

He was the 2nd running back taken, caddy was still on the board. And you don't see any reason he can't pick well in the top half?

 

Chris Williams (granted he has time but the neck injury really scares me), Cedric Benson, Tommie Harris, Michael Haynes

 

All 4 of those players were drafted in the top half of the first round. What tells you that he can pick a good player in the top half?

 

That's stupid. One of the 4 is a good player, who was the best at his position before getting hurt. One has played about 10 NFL downs. Also, 2 of those picks were BPA at a position of need. Even if Williams is horrible, those 4 picks have nothing to do with his ability to pick a good player in the top 10 this year. Even still, the Bears could trade up to the #1 pick, takes the consensus best pick, and if he turns out to bust, it doesn't mean the Bears don't pick well. It just means that player sucked. Granted picking in the middle of the round like they have requires more skill, but of the current regimes picks only Haynes was a real reach of the top of my head, and I'm not even 100% sure he wasn't rated that high.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

He wasn't. And there were many mixed opinions on Benson including many people noting how he is/was a flake and headcase ect. If I remember correctly there were people saying that Harris wasn't an every down DT and was an injury risk. I don't believe that he played all of the downs in college. Also there were definite injury red flags for Williams.

 

These are the sorts of things that teams should investigate about their players that they draft but they are continually problems with the Bears drafts year after year. It's starting to get really frustrating.