2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[Guest]

What the hell do we have left to trade for Boldin

2111 and 2112 first round picks.

That is a future I would not mind mortgaging.

 

Your grandkids will forever rue the Anquan Boldin deal, however.

 

I'd mortgage bukie's grandkids' future for Anquan Boldin. Any day of the week.

[dew1679666265]

What the hell do we have left to trade for Boldin

2111 and 2112 first round picks.

That is a future I would not mind mortgaging.

 

Your grandkids will forever rue the Anquan Boldin deal, however.

 

I'd mortgage bukie's grandkids' future for Anquan Boldin. Any day of the week.

 

Have you no heart Raisin? Consider the future generations here.

[bukie]

What the hell do we have left to trade for Boldin

2111 and 2112 first round picks.

That is a future I would not mind mortgaging.

 

Your grandkids will forever rue the Anquan Boldin deal, however.

 

I'd mortgage bukie's grandkids' future for Anquan Boldin. Any day of the week.

The child in my avatar is already crying about it.

[gflore34]

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a bad idea to give Cutler-Bennett a chance and target someone who can get to the QB with their first pick.

 

I saw Mike Ditka the other day discussing the significance of Cutler to the Bears. He seemed to be suggesting that their offense was not going to change much. I don't know about that, Turner' never had a QB like Cutler to work with, so, perhaps, his offenses of past were such out of necessity more than choice. I don't believe we're going to see high octane passing game but, I think will see something more than the short, conservative passing game.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a bad idea to give Cutler-Bennett a chance and target someone who can get to the QB with their first pick.

 

I saw Mike Ditka the other day discussing the significance of Cutler to the Bears. He seemed to be suggesting that their offense was not going to change much. I don't know about that, Turner' never had a QB like Cutler to work with, so, perhaps, his offenses of past were such out of necessity more than choice. I don't believe we're going to see high octane passing game but, I think will see something more than the short, conservative passing game.

 

I think you'll see a similar style offense. It's not like the old one never threw downfield, Rex did it a lot, and Orton threw some as well. The difference is hopefully more of them will be completed. Also, a lot of that depends on protection.

 

I think I'd prefer they sign a free agent WR and draft somebody else in the 2nd, because I have my doubts about how much a 2nd round WR will provide to the Bears this year.

[Banedon]

I think you'll see a similar style offense. It's not like the old one never threw downfield, Rex did it a lot, and Orton threw some as well. The difference is hopefully more of them will be completed. Also, a lot of that depends on protection.

 

I think I'd prefer they sign a free agent WR and draft somebody else in the 2nd, because I have my doubts about how much a 2nd round WR will provide to the Bears this year.

 

I think we're going to learn a lot about Turner's offense this year. He could be given the benefit of the doubt in years past under Rex and Orton, because they just made so many mistakes (Orton less than Rex, but still wasn't ideal.) I think if this offense sputters now, Turner's going to be catching the flack. Along with Lovie.

[Keener98]

Im not a Turner supporter at all, but Turner has been successful in the NFL. Erik Kramer put up some pretty damn good numbers while under Ron Turners offense.

[jersey cubs fan]

Im not a Turner supporter at all, but Turner has been successful in the NFL. Erik Kramer put up some pretty damn good numbers while under Ron Turners offense.

 

Turner has only been a Bears OC in the NFL. And he's had limited success, if any. He's yet to develop or contribute to the development of a good NFL QB. And his offenses are usually bottom half of the league.

[Keener98]

Im not a Turner supporter at all, but Turner has been successful in the NFL. Erik Kramer put up some pretty damn good numbers while under Ron Turners offense.

 

Turner has only been a Bears OC in the NFL. And he's had limited success, if any. He's yet to develop or contribute to the development of a good NFL QB. And his offenses are usually bottom half of the league.

 

 

I agree he hasnt done anything to contribute to develop a good NFL QB, but he has had a QB with alot less talent than Jay Cutler put up some very impressive numbers in 1995. Yes its 14 years ago, and Turner leaves alot to be desired, but Im willing to give him a chance this year with a true NFL Qb.

[jersey cubs fan]

Im not a Turner supporter at all, but Turner has been successful in the NFL. Erik Kramer put up some pretty damn good numbers while under Ron Turners offense.

 

Turner has only been a Bears OC in the NFL. And he's had limited success, if any. He's yet to develop or contribute to the development of a good NFL QB. And his offenses are usually bottom half of the league.

 

 

I agree he hasnt done anything to contribute to develop a good NFL QB, but he has had a QB with alot less talent than Jay Cutler put up some very impressive numbers in 1995. Yes its 14 years ago, and Turner leaves alot to be desired, but Im willing to give him a chance this year with a true NFL Qb.

 

Yeah, he coaxed one good year out of Kramer, nice, he also coaxed half a good year out of Rex and half a good year out of Orton. That doesn't make him a quality NFL offensive coordinator. If he was really any good, he probably would have been persuaded to join a team with an actual NFL offense by now.

[Keener98]

Im not a Turner supporter at all, but Turner has been successful in the NFL. Erik Kramer put up some pretty damn good numbers while under Ron Turners offense.

 

Turner has only been a Bears OC in the NFL. And he's had limited success, if any. He's yet to develop or contribute to the development of a good NFL QB. And his offenses are usually bottom half of the league.

 

 

I agree he hasnt done anything to contribute to develop a good NFL QB, but he has had a QB with alot less talent than Jay Cutler put up some very impressive numbers in 1995. Yes its 14 years ago, and Turner leaves alot to be desired, but Im willing to give him a chance this year with a true NFL Qb.

 

Yeah, he coaxed one good year out of Kramer, nice, he also coaxed half a good year out of Rex and half a good year out of Orton. That doesn't make him a quality NFL offensive coordinator. If he was really any good, he probably would have been persuaded to join a team with an actual NFL offense by now.

 

I agree, and thats why I said he has this year to prove what he can do with a real NFL QB. He hasnt had alot to work with in Chicago, but he also has done alot of stupid playcalling to, so we will see what happens this year.

[Soul]

Turner hasn't developed a QB, but with Cutler I don't think he needs to do much developing. Just more coaching on the offense he will be running. It's one of the reasons getting a guy like Cutler is preferred over drafting one, for the Bears.

[Jehrico]

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a bad idea to give Cutler-Bennett a chance and target someone who can get to the QB with their first pick.

 

I saw Mike Ditka the other day discussing the significance of Cutler to the Bears. He seemed to be suggesting that their offense was not going to change much. I don't know about that, Turner' never had a QB like Cutler to work with, so, perhaps, his offenses of past were such out of necessity more than choice. I don't believe we're going to see high octane passing game but, I think will see something more than the short, conservative passing game.

I agree with what Ditka said, it won't change our offense alot, but I disagree about the significance. Ron Turner is an idiot. It doesn't matter who his quarterback is, he's going to try to run a Favre-style offense. He's not capable of tailoring his offense to the guys he has on the field. What Angelo has effectively done is tailored the personnel to the kind of offense that Turner runs instead. So, I think the addition of Cutler will be significant.

[Soul]

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a bad idea to give Cutler-Bennett a chance and target someone who can get to the QB with their first pick.

 

I saw Mike Ditka the other day discussing the significance of Cutler to the Bears. He seemed to be suggesting that their offense was not going to change much. I don't know about that, Turner' never had a QB like Cutler to work with, so, perhaps, his offenses of past were such out of necessity more than choice. I don't believe we're going to see high octane passing game but, I think will see something more than the short, conservative passing game.

I agree with what Ditka said, it won't change our offense alot, but I disagree about the significance. Ron Turner is an idiot. It doesn't matter who his quarterback is, he's going to try to run a Favre-style offense. He's not capable of tailoring his offense to the guys he has on the field. What Angelo has effectively done is tailored the personnel to the kind of offense that Turner runs instead. So, I think the addition of Cutler will be significant.

 

Turner will try to push it downfield now. It's what he really likes to do, as you can see from his time with Illinois when he had some weapons, and in '95 when he had a couple decent receiving targets and a passable QB in Kramer.

 

The one misperception that I think is out there is that Turner is like Shoop. He's not. He isn't very imaginative, but he does like to throw downfield if he can.

 

Defenses in the NFL can adjust and stop a passing game if you don't put anything in there to change it up though. I'm not sure Turner can actually do that consistently, so I also view next season as a big test for him.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a bad idea to give Cutler-Bennett a chance and target someone who can get to the QB with their first pick.

 

I saw Mike Ditka the other day discussing the significance of Cutler to the Bears. He seemed to be suggesting that their offense was not going to change much. I don't know about that, Turner' never had a QB like Cutler to work with, so, perhaps, his offenses of past were such out of necessity more than choice. I don't believe we're going to see high octane passing game but, I think will see something more than the short, conservative passing game.

I agree with what Ditka said, it won't change our offense alot, but I disagree about the significance. Ron Turner is an idiot. It doesn't matter who his quarterback is, he's going to try to run a Favre-style offense. He's not capable of tailoring his offense to the guys he has on the field. What Angelo has effectively done is tailored the personnel to the kind of offense that Turner runs instead. So, I think the addition of Cutler will be significant.

 

Turner will try to push it downfield now. It's what he really likes to do, as you can see from his time with Illinois when he had some weapons, and in '95 when he had a couple decent receiving targets and a passable QB in Kramer.

 

The one misperception that I think is out there is that Turner is like Shoop. He's not. He isn't very imaginative, but he does like to throw downfield if he can.

 

Defenses in the NFL can adjust and stop a passing game if you don't put anything in there to change it up though. I'm not sure Turner can actually do that consistently, so I also view next season as a big test for him.

 

They did it last year, only Orton missed his guy most of the time.

[rawaction]

I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a bad idea to give Cutler-Bennett a chance and target someone who can get to the QB with their first pick.

 

I saw Mike Ditka the other day discussing the significance of Cutler to the Bears. He seemed to be suggesting that their offense was not going to change much. I don't know about that, Turner' never had a QB like Cutler to work with, so, perhaps, his offenses of past were such out of necessity more than choice. I don't believe we're going to see high octane passing game but, I think will see something more than the short, conservative passing game.

 

I think you'll see a similar style offense. It's not like the old one never threw downfield, Rex did it a lot, and Orton threw some as well. The difference is hopefully more of them will be completed. Also, a lot of that depends on protection.

 

I think I'd prefer they sign a free agent WR and draft somebody else in the 2nd, because I have my doubts about how much a 2nd round WR will provide to the Bears this year.

 

The only problem is the available WRs are felons (Burress, Matt Jones, Reggie Williams) or 80 years old (Harrison). I tend to agree with you though. I'd rather pick up one of these guys regardless of their issues.

 

However, I must point out that the Broncos drafted a WR in the 2nd round last year and that guy, Eddie Royal, came in and won the starting spot and caught 90 passes. The common denominator is Jay Cutler. Part of me thinks that he can turn any WR with a decent amount of talent into a very productive player.

[Soul]

What did Jones do criminally?

[rawaction]

What did Jones do criminally?

 

Seriously?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3481361

[WrigleyField 22]

*Minor* coke habit.

[jersey cubs fan]

What did Jones do criminally?

 

Coke.

 

 

Yeah raw, that is a good point. It's certainly possible to find the right fit at WR in the 2nd. But that would also entail the Chicago Bears scouting and coaching authorities to find and develop the right guy, not exactly their best skill. And if it is just a matter of giving Cutler somebody with decent talent, that could make it unnecessary to spend a 2nd rounder on one, especially with multiple needs.

[Soul]

What did Jones do criminally?

 

Seriously?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3481361

 

Seriously, I didn't know.

[rawaction]

What did Jones do criminally?

 

Seriously?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3481361

 

Seriously, I didn't know.

 

Really? I don't know if he'll be suspended next year (I believe he was the last few of 08), but he had a really solid year last year. 65 catches, 761 yards...and he only played 12 games. Not a great YPC, but over 16 games that's 87 catches for 1000 yards.

[Guest]

I'd love to see the Bears get Boldin, but I don't see that happening. Some other team will offer up more than we have to give.

 

Of the guys who will be available in the draft when it's the Bears turn to pick, I'm not sure any of them would be any better than guys who will probably be on the waiver wire as teams trim their rosters prior to the start of the season. But, I certainly wouldn't want the Bears to wait it out and then come up dry in that department.

 

I'd bring back Lloyd if they haven't done so already. I'd take the best available in the 2nd round, AND look very closely at roster cuts for that diamond in the rough. Lloyd would be a weak insurance policy in the event that neither the draft pick or the waiver wire pick up isn't any better than Lloyd. The Bears should be targeting a Vincent Jackson type of big target, speedy receiver if they can find one.

 

With the offensive weapons the Bears possess at RB and TE, I think they could have a productive season with Hester, Bennett, Lloyd and Davis. They still need one more starting WR, however. Boldin fits that description. The Bears just can't afford him.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, I'd seriously consider bringing back Lloyd. I think the coaching staff, like other staffs before them, may feel his committment to football is significantly lower than their demands. But he's a halfway decent talent who could potentially have a big year with a Pro Bowl caliber QB throwing to him.

[Soul]

He'd be fine until about game 4, when he decides his latest bruise is too much and shuts it down again.