2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[rawaction]

As for those WRs, I think alot depends on the Edwards/Giants trade. That could take a team out of the WR hunt. I still think this year will be like most years where WRs will slip in the draft.

 

If that is not the case, and there is a run on receivers, I hope Angelo doesn't get desperate and overdraft a guy in his spot. If you have to take the 8th or 9th best player at a position that early in the draft, you're probably reaching. They still need help in other places.

 

If there is a run on receivers, and offensive lineman start to slip, I would still like to see them take somebody to provide further depth, and insurance against the very significant possibility that Orlando Pace doesn't last the season, let alone into next season.

 

Agreed. And actually, unless one of the top 6 WRs is on the board (Britt, Nicks, or Harvin are most likely to fall to 49), then they should NOT pick a WR. I like Iglesias out of OU a lot, but not at 49. I think a WR with more upside will be there at 99 anyway. And like you said, I'd rather get the 2nd best FS, 5th best DE, 3rd best DT or 5th best OL, over the #8-9 WR.

 

What about Murphy? He's a guy with very solid physical skills who should be there.

 

I think Louis Murphy would be a solid value at 49.

 

I think Murphy is a reach at 49. I'd love to move back and get 2 picks around 60 and 80. Should still be able to get Murphy/Iglesias at one of those picks and a solid defensive player.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think Murphy is a reach at 49. I'd love to move back and get 2 picks around 60 and 80. Should still be able to get Murphy/Iglesias at one of those picks and a solid defensive player.

 

I would love to trade down at this point. They still have multiple holes, but they don't really need any one star, now that they got Cutler. If they can turn their 2 and their first 5 into a later 2 and another 3, that would be sweet.

[dew1679666265]

I think Murphy is a reach at 49. I'd love to move back and get 2 picks around 60 and 80. Should still be able to get Murphy/Iglesias at one of those picks and a solid defensive player.

 

If he's a reach, it's not by much. He's got all kinds of upside, but is a bit raw. It seems to me he's kind of fallen through the cracks because of Florida's immense talent. He didn't produce greatly in Florida, but it's a little more forgivable when you have Andre Caldwell, Percy Harvin, Cornelius Ingram, Tim Tebow, Emanuel Moody, Chris Rainey, etc. all on the same offense. The ball can only go to so many players.

 

If you could move back and get him at 60, though, that'd be a good value - it's risky, though.

[Soul]

I think Murphy is a reach at 49. I'd love to move back and get 2 picks around 60 and 80. Should still be able to get Murphy/Iglesias at one of those picks and a solid defensive player.

 

If he's a reach, it's not by much. He's got all kinds of upside, but is a bit raw. It seems to me he's kind of fallen through the cracks because of Florida's immense talent. He didn't produce greatly in Florida, but it's a little more forgivable when you have Andre Caldwell, Percy Harvin, Cornelius Ingram, Tim Tebow, Emanuel Moody, Chris Rainey, etc. all on the same offense. The ball can only go to so many players.

 

If you could move back and get him at 60, though, that'd be a good value - it's risky, though.

 

He sounds kind of like Bradley. All kinds of physical talent, but just wasn't the go-to guy so he never had a real shot at big numbers.

 

I've heard there are some character concerns, but he seemed to move past them his past 2 seasons.

 

It's a risk, maybe even a reach @ 49. He sounds like physically exactly the kind of WR we need though.

 

I'm watching my fading hope for a Britt/Nicks fall-though going by the boards, and it's making me sad :(

[WrigleyField 22]

In a trade down, looking at the trade value chart, the best bets are:

 

#49 (410)and #119 (56) = (466)

to Patriots for

#58 (320) and #89 (145) = (465)

 

If you didn't want to give up that extra 4th,

#49 (410)

to Titans for

#62 (284) and #94 (124) = (408)

 

Either team is possible. Titans might be willing to trade up to get a WR they like. Patriots have a lot of early picks and may not want to use all of them, but rather consolidate some.

[dew1679666265]

I think Murphy is a reach at 49. I'd love to move back and get 2 picks around 60 and 80. Should still be able to get Murphy/Iglesias at one of those picks and a solid defensive player.

 

If he's a reach, it's not by much. He's got all kinds of upside, but is a bit raw. It seems to me he's kind of fallen through the cracks because of Florida's immense talent. He didn't produce greatly in Florida, but it's a little more forgivable when you have Andre Caldwell, Percy Harvin, Cornelius Ingram, Tim Tebow, Emanuel Moody, Chris Rainey, etc. all on the same offense. The ball can only go to so many players.

 

If you could move back and get him at 60, though, that'd be a good value - it's risky, though.

 

He sounds kind of like Bradley. All kinds of physical talent, but just wasn't the go-to guy so he never had a real shot at big numbers.

 

I've heard there are some character concerns, but he seemed to move past them his past 2 seasons.

 

It's a risk, maybe even a reach @ 49. He sounds like physically exactly the kind of WR we need though.

 

I'm watching my fading hope for a Britt/Nicks fall-though going by the boards, and it's making me sad :(

 

Sorry, I'd say either of Nicks or Britt falling are low. Pretty much everything I've seen have both going in the first round.

 

As for Murphy, there's definitely risk there. But there's also immense talent and potential. And keep in mind, the biggest difference between Bradley and Murphy is the guy throwing them the ball. Bradley never had a young Pro Bowler throwing him the ball.

[dew1679666265]

In a trade down, looking at the trade value chart, the best bets are:

 

#49 (410)and #119 (56) = (466)

to Patriots for

#58 (320) and #89 (145) = (465)

 

If you didn't want to give up that extra 4th,

#49 (410)

to Titans for

#62 (284) and #94 (124) = (408)

 

Either team is possible. Titans might be willing to trade up to get a WR they like. Patriots have a lot of early picks and may not want to use all of them, but rather consolidate some.

 

The Titans don't value WRs enough to trade up to get one. In fact, I don't remember the last time Floyd Reese or Mike Reinfeldt traded up in the first couple rounds.

[rawaction]

I think Murphy is a reach at 49. I'd love to move back and get 2 picks around 60 and 80. Should still be able to get Murphy/Iglesias at one of those picks and a solid defensive player.

 

If he's a reach, it's not by much. He's got all kinds of upside, but is a bit raw. It seems to me he's kind of fallen through the cracks because of Florida's immense talent. He didn't produce greatly in Florida, but it's a little more forgivable when you have Andre Caldwell, Percy Harvin, Cornelius Ingram, Tim Tebow, Emanuel Moody, Chris Rainey, etc. all on the same offense. The ball can only go to so many players.

 

If you could move back and get him at 60, though, that'd be a good value - it's risky, though.

 

He sounds kind of like Bradley. All kinds of physical talent, but just wasn't the go-to guy so he never had a real shot at big numbers.

 

I've heard there are some character concerns, but he seemed to move past them his past 2 seasons.

 

It's a risk, maybe even a reach @ 49. He sounds like physically exactly the kind of WR we need though.

 

I'm watching my fading hope for a Britt/Nicks fall-though going by the boards, and it's making me sad :(

 

a lot like Bradley. I think Murphy's gonna be good, but it would be tough to pick him at 49 with so many other needs and him not being a sure bet.

[WrigleyField 22]

Okay, here's my idea on an ideal draft.

 

I'm gonna say that there isn't a clearly good value at 49 and we trade down. I'm gonna go with my Patriots trade (49 &119 for 58 & 89):

 

#58- Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

#89- Juanquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

#99- Darry Beckwith (LSU), Jason Phillips (TCU), or Zach Follet (Cal), LB

#140- Michael Bennet or Brandon Williams, DE, Texas A&M/Tech

#154- Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada

#190- Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon State

#246- QB

#251- OL

 

The DE,LB, and second WR could really go in a few different orders.

[dew1679666265]

Okay, here's my idea on an ideal draft.

 

I'm gonna say that there isn't a clearly good value at 49 and we trade down. I'm gonna go with my Patriots trade (49 &119 for 58 & 89):

 

#58- Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

#89- Juanquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

#99- Darry Beckwith (LSU), Jason Phillips (TCU), or Zach Follet (Cal), LB

#140- Michael Bennet or Brandon Williams, DE, Texas A&M/Tech

#154- Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada

#190- Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon State

#246- QB

#251- OL

 

The DE,LB, and second WR could really go in a few different orders.

 

Hunter Cantwell would be a great grab at 246 if he's there.

[RedFlash]

Okay, here's my idea on an ideal draft.

 

I'm gonna say that there isn't a clearly good value at 49 and we trade down. I'm gonna go with my Patriots trade (49 &119 for 58 & 89):

 

#58- Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

#89- Juanquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

#99- Darry Beckwith (LSU), Jason Phillips (TCU), or Zach Follet (Cal), LB

#140- Michael Bennet or Brandon Williams, DE, Texas A&M/Tech

#154- Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada

#190- Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon State

#246- QB

#251- OL

 

The DE,LB, and second WR could really go in a few different orders.

 

Hunter Cantwell would be a great grab at 246 if he's there.

 

Absolutely. If the Bears had that draft WF22 scenerio, I could live with that draft. The first three picks (Johnson---Bama to the Bears would be like heaven to me, Iglesias and Beckwith) would be solid value picks and added depth for the Bears. As for Cantwell, he wouldn't be a bad 7th rd choice, but he would be battling Heine for the backup job, and seeing as the Bears have a man-crush on Heine, he would be in a uphill battle. Otherwise, that would be a heckuva draft for the Bears.

[Guest]

Okay, here's my idea on an ideal draft.

 

I'm gonna say that there isn't a clearly good value at 49 and we trade down. I'm gonna go with my Patriots trade (49 &119 for 58 & 89):

 

#58- Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

#89- Juanquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

#99- Darry Beckwith (LSU), Jason Phillips (TCU), or Zach Follet (Cal), LB

#140- Michael Bennet or Brandon Williams, DE, Texas A&M/Tech

#154- Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada

#190- Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon State

#246- QB

#251- OL

 

The DE,LB, and second WR could really go in a few different orders.

 

I don't like ignoring the lines until pick 140.

[WrigleyField 22]

Okay, here's my idea on an ideal draft.

 

I'm gonna say that there isn't a clearly good value at 49 and we trade down. I'm gonna go with my Patriots trade (49 &119 for 58 & 89):

 

#58- Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

#89- Juanquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

#99- Darry Beckwith (LSU), Jason Phillips (TCU), or Zach Follet (Cal), LB

#140- Michael Bennet or Brandon Williams, DE, Texas A&M/Tech

#154- Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada

#190- Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon State

#246- QB

#251- OL

 

The DE,LB, and second WR could really go in a few different orders.

 

I don't like ignoring the lines until pick 140.

As far as the DLine goes, I think the drop off from 99 to 140 isn't too terrible, but I really could go either way. If we were to go with FS I really wouldn't want to wait on WR. If there is good value at DL at 49 I wouldn't even trade down.

 

OLine, I'm kind of iffy on. I don't think we will take more than 8 OL. Pace, Williams, Kruetz, Omilaye, Schaffer, and Beekman are all locks, IMO. Garza pretty much is too. Buenning is a good option. So if theres a good value early I would be fine with it, and then let Buenning or Garza go. Otherwise a late round selection is good enough for me.

[rawaction]

Okay, here's my idea on an ideal draft.

 

I'm gonna say that there isn't a clearly good value at 49 and we trade down. I'm gonna go with my Patriots trade (49 &119 for 58 & 89):

 

#58- Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

#89- Juanquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

#99- Darry Beckwith (LSU), Jason Phillips (TCU), or Zach Follet (Cal), LB

#140- Michael Bennet or Brandon Williams, DE, Texas A&M/Tech

#154- Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada

#190- Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon State

#246- QB

#251- OL

 

The DE,LB, and second WR could really go in a few different orders.

 

I don't like ignoring the lines until pick 140.

As far as the DLine goes, I think the drop off from 99 to 140 isn't too terrible, but I really could go either way. If we were to go with FS I really wouldn't want to wait on WR. If there is good value at DL at 49 I wouldn't even trade down.

 

OLine, I'm kind of iffy on. I don't think we will take more than 8 OL. Pace, Williams, Kruetz, Omilaye, Schaffer, and Beekman are all locks, IMO. Garza pretty much is too. Buenning is a good option. So if theres a good value early I would be fine with it, and then let Buenning or Garza go. Otherwise a late round selection is good enough for me.

 

I'd still like to draft a Guard (I'm fine waiting til 140 or whatever) and cut whoever loses the RG spot between Garza and Buenning. Would have whoever wins the job and Omiyale at OG with Beekman (with a year starting) and the rookie as backups.

[Soul]

Kind of a strange feeling, being excited for the draft but at the same time knowing you won't have a 1st round pick to be VERY excited about.

[Guest]

Kind of a strange feeling, being excited for the draft but at the same time knowing you won't have a 1st round pick to be VERY excited about.

 

I can't get excited, per se. There are too many picks before ours to really speculate who will be available when we pick. About the only thing I'll have going for me in the draft is what receivers will be off the board prior to our pick.

 

In other words, I think I'll just pop in to read the scroll every once in awhile until it's the Bears turn to pick.

 

I'll probably watch the first 10 picks or so.

[Soul]

Kind of a strange feeling, being excited for the draft but at the same time knowing you won't have a 1st round pick to be VERY excited about.

 

I can't get excited, per se. There are too many picks before ours to really speculate who will be available when we pick. About the only thing I'll have going for me in the draft is what receivers will be off the board prior to our pick.

 

In other words, I think I'll just pop in to read the scroll every once in awhile until it's the Bears turn to pick.

 

I'll probably watch the first 10 picks or so.

Yeah, my excitement is going to wane quickly as I watch all the WR prospects I wanted go to other teams before we even have our first pick.

 

I'll probably do the same as you until it gets close to 49, then I'll flip it on.

[Guest]

I actually like the idea suggested of trading down with the first pick. I don't see any of the top WR's making it to the Bears. If the guy the Bears want can still be available a dozen or so picks later and it would give them another pick, I say go for it.

[Soul]

If no one falls through to 49, then I could see Angelo doing that. He's traded down before, of course. It's something he will do if it looks good to him.

[cubweiser03]

Trading down seems very possible with Angelos history, id be all for that. I dont want to see any more 5ths and 6th added though. 6's and 7s are almost worthless, 5s are right on the boarder.

One thing i hoping not to see is the Bears drafting a player from some college ive never heard of. Angelos can have at it in Rd 6 and 7 but just once id like to see the Bears not get some no name school off the beaten path prospect where I have to scower the internet to find a scouting report on this guy.

[rawaction]

Okay, here's my idea on an ideal draft.

 

I'm gonna say that there isn't a clearly good value at 49 and we trade down. I'm gonna go with my Patriots trade (49 &119 for 58 & 89):

 

#58- Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

#89- Juanquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

#99- Darry Beckwith (LSU), Jason Phillips (TCU), or Zach Follet (Cal), LB

#140- Michael Bennet or Brandon Williams, DE, Texas A&M/Tech

#154- Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada

#190- Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon State

#246- QB

#251- OL

 

The DE,LB, and second WR could really go in a few different orders.

 

Hunter Cantwell would be a great grab at 246 if he's there.

 

Absolutely. If the Bears had that draft WF22 scenerio, I could live with that draft. The first three picks (Johnson---Bama to the Bears would be like heaven to me, Iglesias and Beckwith) would be solid value picks and added depth for the Bears. As for Cantwell, he wouldn't be a bad 7th rd choice, but he would be battling Heine for the backup job, and seeing as the Bears have a man-crush on Heine, he would be in a uphill battle. Otherwise, that would be a heckuva draft for the Bears.

 

I wouldn't draft a QB. Hanie looks decent from all accounts. I'd go after a FB in one of the last 2 rounds. I do like the rest of your draft though.

[Guest]

Trading down seems very possible with Angelos history, id be all for that. I dont want to see any more 5ths and 6th added though. 6's and 7s are almost worthless, 5s are right on the boarder.

One thing i hoping not to see is the Bears drafting a player from some college ive never heard of. Angelos can have at it in Rd 6 and 7 but just once id like to see the Bears not get some no name school off the beaten path prospect where I have to scower the internet to find a scouting report on this guy.

 

Come on. You know there are tons of potential diamonds in the rough at Southern Utah St. Babtist Junior College

[jersey cubs fan]

I wouldn't draft a QB. Hanie looks decent from all accounts. I'd go after a FB in one of the last 2 rounds. I do like the rest of your draft though.

 

I would consider drafting a QB late. If not, then they definitely should next year. I'm a firm believer in constantly bringing in fresh arms to the QB battle, and not just undrafted free agents and roster cuts either. Also, I don't really care much about the FB position. It's just not that vital. Find a body who can throw the occasional block and contribute on special teams.

[rawaction]

I wouldn't draft a QB. Hanie looks decent from all accounts. I'd go after a FB in one of the last 2 rounds. I do like the rest of your draft though.

 

I would consider drafting a QB late. If not, then they definitely should next year. I'm a firm believer in constantly bringing in fresh arms to the QB battle, and not just undrafted free agents and roster cuts either. Also, I don't really care much about the FB position. It's just not that vital. Find a body who can throw the occasional block and contribute on special teams.

 

Agreed. I would definitely draft a QB next year. Basanez isn't much and another guy to compete for the #2 spot would be nice, but my thinking is bring in a guy that can learn from Cutler next year as opposed to learning the offense WITH Cutler this camp.

 

I don't care much about FB either, neither does anyone else that's why they all go in or after the 6th. I just look at it as a cheap way to get another contributor, whereas drafting any other position that late isn't likely to contribute, ever. And anything to get McKie off the roster helps!

[jersey cubs fan]

I wouldn't draft a QB. Hanie looks decent from all accounts. I'd go after a FB in one of the last 2 rounds. I do like the rest of your draft though.

 

I would consider drafting a QB late. If not, then they definitely should next year. I'm a firm believer in constantly bringing in fresh arms to the QB battle, and not just undrafted free agents and roster cuts either. Also, I don't really care much about the FB position. It's just not that vital. Find a body who can throw the occasional block and contribute on special teams.

 

Agreed. I would definitely draft a QB next year. Basanez isn't much and another guy to compete for the #2 spot would be nice, but my thinking is bring in a guy that can learn from Cutler next year as opposed to learning the offense WITH Cutler this camp.

 

I don't care much about FB either, neither does anyone else that's why they all go in or after the 6th. I just look at it as a cheap way to get another contributor, whereas drafting any other position that late isn't likely to contribute, ever. And anything to get McKie off the roster helps!

 

You hate that dude don't you.

 

I don't know, I think some 6th and 7th round players have contributed, at least to special teams. Of course, I can't think of any names there.