2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[ELCABALLO45]

Have you seen Minnesota's O line? Its pretty good. He would have to throw it about 20 times a game. Any Bear/Packer fan that is saying Favre to the Vikings doesn't make them better, they are wrong.

 

It makes Minnesota better, but I still think the Bears are the favorites for the division.

 

And I'm a Titans fan.

 

Im a Packer fan and im saying the Vikings with Favre are head and shoulders the fav in the division. Maybe im biased but im not buying this Bear hype at all. But thats just my opinion.

[jersey cubs fan]

Have you seen Minnesota's O line? Its pretty good. He would have to throw it about 20 times a game. Any Bear/Packer fan that is saying Favre to the Vikings doesn't make them better, they are wrong.

 

It makes Minnesota better, but I still think the Bears are the favorites for the division.

 

And I'm a Titans fan.

 

Im a Packer fan and im saying the Vikings with Favre are head and shoulders the fav in the division. Maybe im biased but im not buying this Bear hype at all. But thats just my opinion.

 

They barely beat the Bears last year. Vikings get Favre, Bears get Cutler, I don't see how Vikings vault to head and shoulders status. Favre will lose them games. There is no doubt.

[ELCABALLO45]

Have you seen Minnesota's O line? Its pretty good. He would have to throw it about 20 times a game. Any Bear/Packer fan that is saying Favre to the Vikings doesn't make them better, they are wrong.

 

It makes Minnesota better, but I still think the Bears are the favorites for the division.

 

And I'm a Titans fan.

 

Im a Packer fan and im saying the Vikings with Favre are head and shoulders the fav in the division. Maybe im biased but im not buying this Bear hype at all. But thats just my opinion.

 

They barely beat the Bears last year. Vikings get Favre, Bears get Cutler, I don't see how Vikings vault to head and shoulders status. Favre will lose them games. There is no doubt.

 

Right, and Cutler won't lose any games for the Bears?

[jersey cubs fan]

Have you seen Minnesota's O line? Its pretty good. He would have to throw it about 20 times a game. Any Bear/Packer fan that is saying Favre to the Vikings doesn't make them better, they are wrong.

 

It makes Minnesota better, but I still think the Bears are the favorites for the division.

 

And I'm a Titans fan.

 

Im a Packer fan and im saying the Vikings with Favre are head and shoulders the fav in the division. Maybe im biased but im not buying this Bear hype at all. But thats just my opinion.

 

They barely beat the Bears last year. Vikings get Favre, Bears get Cutler, I don't see how Vikings vault to head and shoulders status. Favre will lose them games. There is no doubt.

 

Right, and Cutler won't lose any games for the Bears?

 

Not like Favre will.

[dew1679666265]

Have you seen Minnesota's O line? Its pretty good. He would have to throw it about 20 times a game. Any Bear/Packer fan that is saying Favre to the Vikings doesn't make them better, they are wrong.

 

It makes Minnesota better, but I still think the Bears are the favorites for the division.

 

And I'm a Titans fan.

 

Im a Packer fan and im saying the Vikings with Favre are head and shoulders the fav in the division. Maybe im biased but im not buying this Bear hype at all. But thats just my opinion.

 

They barely beat the Bears last year. Vikings get Favre, Bears get Cutler, I don't see how Vikings vault to head and shoulders status. Favre will lose them games. There is no doubt.

 

Right, and Cutler won't lose any games for the Bears?

 

He's likely to lose fewer and win more. Cutler is a great QB entering his prime, while Favre is a once great QB well out of his prime.

[RedFlash]

Right, and Cutler won't lose any games for the Bears?

 

No, but Favre is only an upgrade over Safe/Tavaris is name/reputation only. Favre was a great player, but I just don't see him improving the Vikes at that much. He won't hurt, but after watching last with the Jets, it's clear he doesn't have much left in the tank.

[ELCABALLO45]

Right, and Cutler won't lose any games for the Bears?

 

No, but Favre is only an upgrade over Safe/Tavaris is name/reputation only. Favre was a great player, but I just don't see him improving the Vikes at that much. He won't hurt, but after watching last with the Jets, it's clear he doesn't have much left in the tank.

 

Again, before he got hurt last year he was completly 65 percent of his passes. He had thrown 20 TDS. He was turning around a team that was 4-12 the year before. He played bad when he got hurt because he played throught it and he had to throw the ball 30+ times a game. He will not have to do that in Minnesota.

[ELCABALLO45]

 

He's likely to lose fewer and win more. Cutler is a great QB entering his prime, while Favre is a once great QB well out of his prime.

 

Oh he is?

[jersey cubs fan]

Right, and Cutler won't lose any games for the Bears?

 

No, but Favre is only an upgrade over Safe/Tavaris is name/reputation only. Favre was a great player, but I just don't see him improving the Vikes at that much. He won't hurt, but after watching last with the Jets, it's clear he doesn't have much left in the tank.

 

Again, before he got hurt last year he was completly 65 percent of his passes. He had thrown 20 TDS. He was turning around a team that was 4-12 the year before. He played bad when he got hurt because he played throught it and he had to throw the ball 30+ times a game. He will not have to do that in Minnesota.

 

He didn't turn that team around, the 2007 Jets were better than their record. Favre had one big game, against Arizona, and didn't do much else all year, aside from throw horrible picks, repeatedly. He stunk in like 6-7 games.

[manbearcub]

guys, favre wont get hurt next year guaranteed

[rawaction]

Right, and Cutler won't lose any games for the Bears?

 

No, but Favre is only an upgrade over Safe/Tavaris is name/reputation only. Favre was a great player, but I just don't see him improving the Vikes at that much. He won't hurt, but after watching last with the Jets, it's clear he doesn't have much left in the tank.

 

Again, before he got hurt last year he was completly 65 percent of his passes. He had thrown 20 TDS. He was turning around a team that was 4-12 the year before. He played bad when he got hurt because he played throught it and he had to throw the ball 30+ times a game. He will not have to do that in Minnesota.

 

It's not like last year was Favre's only bad year. Look at 2005 and 2006. 70.9 and 72.7 QB ratings. That's absolutely horrendous.

[Outshined_One]

Right, and Cutler won't lose any games for the Bears?

 

No, but Favre is only an upgrade over Safe/Tavaris is name/reputation only. Favre was a great player, but I just don't see him improving the Vikes at that much. He won't hurt, but after watching last with the Jets, it's clear he doesn't have much left in the tank.

 

Again, before he got hurt last year he was completly 65 percent of his passes. He had thrown 20 TDS. He was turning around a team that was 4-12 the year before. He played bad when he got hurt because he played throught it and he had to throw the ball 30+ times a game. He will not have to do that in Minnesota.

 

He's going to be 40 years old next season. He tore a tendon in his biceps last year and we have no way of knowing if it has fully healed or if it ever will fully heal. His body has a ton of mileage on it and he always was a piss-poor decision-maker. As he's gotten older, he's had trouble maintaining any meaningful level of success towards the end of the season. I don't think there's a chance in hell he can make it through a season without sustaining some sort of debilitating injury at this point. Moreover, he has had a lot of trouble following the directions of coaches and getting along with teammates.

 

Favre's going to be playing next season with a giant fork sticking out of his back. The guy is washed out. Jackson and Sage might not be very good, but quite frankly, I don't think Favre would be much of an upgrade over them talent-wise. The baggage he'll bring with him will only hurt the Vikings.

 

As a Bears fan, I'm praying he goes to the Vikings.

[jersey cubs fan]

guys, favre wont get hurt next year guaranteed

 

I hope he stays healthy all year and then combines his penchant for throwing absolutely disastrous picks with the Vikings tendency to completely collapse to form the uber-heartbreaker of heartbreakers. He's going to coast through the cupcake schedule they have the first 5 weeks, then we'll just see what happens the rest of the way.

Edited May 6, 2009 by jersey cubs fan

[SpongeWorthy]

You can reasonably argue that Minnesota is the division favorite whether Jackson, Rosenfels, or Favre are the quarterbacks next season. They're loaded everywhere.

[SpongeWorthy]

And if you're worried about ball security, Rosenfels is even worse in that regard than Favre. His body isn't broken down and maybe he'll get better but he makes some absolutely boneheaded plays.

 

Look at the Houston/Colts game last year for some of the worst decision making an NFL QB has made in years...and that's including Rex.

[jersey cubs fan]

You can reasonably argue that Minnesota is the division favorite whether Jackson, Rosenfels, or Favre are the quarterbacks next season. They're loaded everywhere.

 

You could argue that, sure. But people tried saying that last year too. The Bears, with Cutler, are much better than they were last year.

[Soul]

You can reasonably argue that Minnesota is the division favorite whether Jackson, Rosenfels, or Favre are the quarterbacks next season. They're loaded everywhere.

 

You could argue that, sure. But people tried saying that last year too. The Bears, with Cutler, are much better than they were last year.

I'd give the edge to Minny, just because I anticipate a growing period with Cutler. Doesn't mean the Bears won't win it though.

[SpongeWorthy]

Here's what I'm talking about regarding Rosenfels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmY_bkpbyME

[SpongeWorthy]

You can reasonably argue that Minnesota is the division favorite whether Jackson, Rosenfels, or Favre are the quarterbacks next season. They're loaded everywhere.

 

You could argue that, sure. But people tried saying that last year too. The Bears, with Cutler, are much better than they were last year.

 

I agree.

 

Minnesota SHOULD be better than they are. To take a running game and a run defense that dominant and barely scrape by in a weak division and then get knocked out in the first round is pretty sad.

[rawaction]

You can reasonably argue that Minnesota is the division favorite whether Jackson, Rosenfels, or Favre are the quarterbacks next season. They're loaded everywhere.

 

You could argue that, sure. But people tried saying that last year too. The Bears, with Cutler, are much better than they were last year.

I'd give the edge to Minny, just because I anticipate a growing period with Cutler. Doesn't mean the Bears won't win it though.

 

What's their to grow? It's not like getting a new QB is throwing off all the offensive chemistry. The team has had 3 different QBs start the majority of its games the last 3 years. And it's not like Cutler is inexperienced and will need a ton of time to learn the offense. He should be fine to run the entire playbook by opening day. And a lot of his success comes from extending plays anyway.

 

If their is a growth period w/ Cutler the same can be said with Rosenfels or Favre, even with playing for Childress years ago.

[bukie]

You can reasonably argue that Minnesota is the division favorite whether Jackson, Rosenfels, or Favre are the quarterbacks next season. They're loaded everywhere.

 

You could argue that, sure. But people tried saying that last year too. The Bears, with Cutler, are much better than they were last year.

I'd give the edge to Minny, just because I anticipate a growing period with Cutler. Doesn't mean the Bears won't win it though.

 

What's their to grow? It's not like getting a new QB is throwing off all the offensive chemistry. The team has had 3 different QBs start the majority of its games the last 3 years. And it's not like Cutler is inexperienced and will need a ton of time to learn the offense. He should be fine to run the entire playbook by opening day. And a lot of his success comes from extending plays anyway.

 

If their is a growth period w/ Cutler the same can be said with Rosenfels or Favre, even with playing for Childress years ago.

There, I only mention it because I've been particularly annoyed by it already several times today (not here).

[SpongeWorthy]

You can reasonably argue that Minnesota is the division favorite whether Jackson, Rosenfels, or Favre are the quarterbacks next season. They're loaded everywhere.

 

You could argue that, sure. But people tried saying that last year too. The Bears, with Cutler, are much better than they were last year.

I'd give the edge to Minny, just because I anticipate a growing period with Cutler. Doesn't mean the Bears won't win it though.

 

What's their to grow? It's not like getting a new QB is throwing off all the offensive chemistry. The team has had 3 different QBs start the majority of its games the last 3 years. And it's not like Cutler is inexperienced and will need a ton of time to learn the offense. He should be fine to run the entire playbook by opening day. And a lot of his success comes from extending plays anyway.

 

If their is a growth period w/ Cutler the same can be said with Rosenfels or Favre, even with playing for Childress years ago.

 

It'll take growth from the WR to adjust to Cutler.

 

The receivers will invariably drop lots of balls that hit them right in the hands because they're busy jumping into the air or diving to the ground where they're used to seeing the ball end up. Also, Hester will stop dead in his tracks awaiting dead ducks instead of continuing routes so he can run right under them.

[Flames24Rulz]

2007 was a fluke for Favre. I have no problems saying that. Just look at how bad his 2005 and 2008 seasons were and how pedestrian his 2006 season was. Just because it's "Brett Favre" doesn't mean the Vikings are going to be any better. I'm not seeing how they're going to be legitimate favorites to win the division anyway even with him. If anything, he's going to hurt Peterson this year because he won't be throwing the ball as much; meaning he'll be much more prone to making mistakes when he airs it out.

 

It's going to be a three-horse race, Favre or no Favre. The media's going to make you believe that the Vikes will be the pick to win the division, but I wouldn't fall for it.

[rawaction]

You can reasonably argue that Minnesota is the division favorite whether Jackson, Rosenfels, or Favre are the quarterbacks next season. They're loaded everywhere.

 

You could argue that, sure. But people tried saying that last year too. The Bears, with Cutler, are much better than they were last year.

I'd give the edge to Minny, just because I anticipate a growing period with Cutler. Doesn't mean the Bears won't win it though.

 

What's their to grow? It's not like getting a new QB is throwing off all the offensive chemistry. The team has had 3 different QBs start the majority of its games the last 3 years. And it's not like Cutler is inexperienced and will need a ton of time to learn the offense. He should be fine to run the entire playbook by opening day. And a lot of his success comes from extending plays anyway.

 

If their is a growth period w/ Cutler the same can be said with Rosenfels or Favre, even with playing for Childress years ago.

 

It'll take growth from the WR to adjust to Cutler.

 

The receivers will invariably drop lots of balls that hit them right in the hands because they're busy jumping into the air or diving to the ground where they're used to seeing the ball end up. Also, Hester will stop dead in his tracks awaiting dead ducks instead of continuing routes so he can run right under them.

 

You think that will happen into the season? That's what minicamp, OTAs and preseason are for. You don't think the WRs will adjust to Cutler at all over the next 4 months?

[Flames24Rulz]

 

He's likely to lose fewer and win more. Cutler is a great QB entering his prime, while Favre is a once great QB well out of his prime.

 

Oh he is?

 

Jay Cutler's a much better quarterback than Favre is right now. Don't let your Favre love get to your brain that much.