2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Have you seen Minnesota's O line? Its pretty good. He would have to throw it about 20 times a game. Any Bear/Packer fan that is saying Favre to the Vikings doesn't make them better, they are wrong.

 

If the coaching staff is smart enough to only throw 20 times a game, and Favre is healthy, then I'll agree he makes them better.

 

I don't believe either of those are likely to be true.

[ctcf]

Assuming Favre signs with the Vikes (let's not kid ourselves here), is the NFC North suddenly the most compelling division in the NFL?

[hawkeyecub]

I agree with a lot of the stuff on both sides here. I'm biased but I think as of now the Vikings are better than the Bears at RB, OL, WR, DL and the secondary. LB's could possibly be better if E.J. is healthy and Urlacher continues to slide.

 

Favre obviously brings more upside but as goony said he'll lose a couple games by himself also. The key would be how much he minimizes risk which has always been the issue. With the defense, OL and running game we have and upgraded targets, he won't have to be the gunslinger trying to win games. I just don't know if you can trust him.

 

I think I've bought in to the idea of bringing him for one year IF he's committed. Don't just try to prove you can still play. If you really want to stick it to Green Bay, cement your legacy and win a title, you better be all in for one year and come to everything in the offseason.

If he wants to come and go as he pleases and completely have his own setup in the locker room, you risk losing the rest of the team when things don't go well.

[Soul]

If he wants to come and go as he pleases and completely have his own setup in the locker room, you risk losing the rest of the team when things don't go well.

 

Do you really think Favre is going to turn over a new leaf at this point? He is what he is. He's not going to suddenly get excited about offseason training, spend 24/7 in the weight room and hours studying playbooks. He's going to learn the cliff notes and try to wing it, just like he did with the Jets.

[dew1679666265]

 

He's likely to lose fewer and win more. Cutler is a great QB entering his prime, while Favre is a once great QB well out of his prime.

 

Oh he is?

 

Jay Cutler is a top 10 or better QB in the league. I don't see any way Favre is that anymore.

 

And the fact that Favre was injured last year is a reason to worry about his health this year. A torn biceps tendon that hasn't been surgically repaired is likely to nag at him this year as well. It's unlikely to be fully healed. Keep in mind as well that he'll be 40 years old and that only increases the likelihood that he sustains more production-decreasing injuries this year.

[Soul]

You think that will happen into the season? That's what minicamp, OTAs and preseason are for. You don't think the WRs will adjust to Cutler at all over the next 4 months?

 

Sure, but they will still need to experience the actual games too. You can't totally substitute game experience with practice.

[dew1679666265]

You think that will happen into the season? That's what minicamp, OTAs and preseason are for. You don't think the WRs will adjust to Cutler at all over the next 4 months?

 

Sure, but they will still need to experience the actual games too. You can't totally substitute game experience with practice.

 

The Vikings receivers will have that same adjustment period with either Favre or Rosenfels.

 

Honestly, I'd go with Tarvaris Jackson over either of them. He has the most upside and probably won't be significantly worse than either. Let him try to develop or pull a Titans and bring in a decent veteran who won't do anything great, but also won't make major mistakes (Gus Frerotte perhaps?).

[hawkeyecub]

If he wants to come and go as he pleases and completely have his own setup in the locker room, you risk losing the rest of the team when things don't go well.

 

Do you really think Favre is going to turn over a new leaf at this point? He is what he is. He's not going to suddenly get excited about offseason training, spend 24/7 in the weight room and hours studying playbooks. He's going to learn the cliff notes and try to wing it, just like he did with the Jets.

 

Well he shouldn't have to learn the offense half as much as he did in NY. Our offense is virtually identical to what the Packers ran with Sherman.

 

He needs to at least attend mini-camps and can't be completely alienated from the rest of the team. If it's a 1 year shot, he has to at least learn from what Jets players said after the year and at least buy in enough to not create resentment.

[SpongeWorthy]

You think that will happen into the season? That's what minicamp, OTAs and preseason are for. You don't think the WRs will adjust to Cutler at all over the next 4 months?

 

Sure, but they will still need to experience the actual games too. You can't totally substitute game experience with practice.

 

The Vikings receivers will have that same adjustment period with either Favre or Rosenfels.

 

Honestly, I'd go with Tarvaris Jackson over either of them. He has the most upside and probably won't be significantly worse than either. Let him try to develop or pull a Titans and bring in a decent veteran who won't do anything great, but also won't make major mistakes (Gus Frerotte perhaps?).

 

They had Frerotte last year.

[ELCABALLO45]

Right, and Cutler won't lose any games for the Bears?

 

No, but Favre is only an upgrade over Safe/Tavaris is name/reputation only. Favre was a great player, but I just don't see him improving the Vikes at that much. He won't hurt, but after watching last with the Jets, it's clear he doesn't have much left in the tank.

 

Again, before he got hurt last year he was completly 65 percent of his passes. He had thrown 20 TDS. He was turning around a team that was 4-12 the year before. He played bad when he got hurt because he played throught it and he had to throw the ball 30+ times a game. He will not have to do that in Minnesota.

 

It's not like last year was Favre's only bad year. Look at 2005 and 2006. 70.9 and 72.7 QB ratings. That's absolutely horrendous.

 

QB rating? Really? QB rating is a horrible way to judge a QB. BUT if we were to..

 

Jay Cutler 86.0

 

Which would rank 16th in the league.

[ELCABALLO45]

 

He's likely to lose fewer and win more. Cutler is a great QB entering his prime, while Favre is a once great QB well out of his prime.

 

Oh he is?

 

Jay Cutler's a much better quarterback than Favre is right now. Don't let your Favre love get to your brain that much.

 

Did I ever say Favre is a better QB?

[ELCABALLO45]

You think that will happen into the season? That's what minicamp, OTAs and preseason are for. You don't think the WRs will adjust to Cutler at all over the next 4 months?

 

Sure, but they will still need to experience the actual games too. You can't totally substitute game experience with practice.

 

The Vikings receivers will have that same adjustment period with either Favre or Rosenfels.

 

Honestly, I'd go with Tarvaris Jackson over either of them. He has the most upside and probably won't be significantly worse than either. Let him try to develop or pull a Titans and bring in a decent veteran who won't do anything great, but also won't make major mistakes (Gus Frerotte perhaps?).

 

Tarvaris Jackson is horrible. He could be the worse QB in the league and im not even kidding.

[ELCABALLO45]

Assuming Favre signs with the Vikes (let's not kid ourselves here), is the NFC North suddenly the most compelling division in the NFL?

 

Think about this... 3-4 years ago....

 

Favre

Grossman

Culpepper

Harrington

 

2009...

 

Favre

Cutler

Rodgers

Stafford

[ctcf]

Assuming Favre signs with the Vikes (let's not kid ourselves here), is the NFC North suddenly the most compelling division in the NFL?

 

Think about this... 3-4 years ago....

 

Favre

Grossman

Culpepper

Harrington

 

2009...

 

Favre

Cutler

Rodgers

Stafford

 

It really is quite astounding. Seriously though, I really don't think that any division in the league can boast such a tight race (at least on paper), drama and new star players.

[dew1679666265]

You think that will happen into the season? That's what minicamp, OTAs and preseason are for. You don't think the WRs will adjust to Cutler at all over the next 4 months?

 

Sure, but they will still need to experience the actual games too. You can't totally substitute game experience with practice.

 

The Vikings receivers will have that same adjustment period with either Favre or Rosenfels.

 

Honestly, I'd go with Tarvaris Jackson over either of them. He has the most upside and probably won't be significantly worse than either. Let him try to develop or pull a Titans and bring in a decent veteran who won't do anything great, but also won't make major mistakes (Gus Frerotte perhaps?).

 

They had Frerotte last year.

 

That's why I brought him up. He's not exciting, but I think he could serve a similar role to Kerry Collins - manage the game enough to let the rest of the talent win games.

[dew1679666265]

 

He's likely to lose fewer and win more. Cutler is a great QB entering his prime, while Favre is a once great QB well out of his prime.

 

Oh he is?

 

Jay Cutler's a much better quarterback than Favre is right now. Don't let your Favre love get to your brain that much.

 

Did I ever say Favre is a better QB?

 

What did you mean by your question then?

[dew1679666265]

You think that will happen into the season? That's what minicamp, OTAs and preseason are for. You don't think the WRs will adjust to Cutler at all over the next 4 months?

 

Sure, but they will still need to experience the actual games too. You can't totally substitute game experience with practice.

 

The Vikings receivers will have that same adjustment period with either Favre or Rosenfels.

 

Honestly, I'd go with Tarvaris Jackson over either of them. He has the most upside and probably won't be significantly worse than either. Let him try to develop or pull a Titans and bring in a decent veteran who won't do anything great, but also won't make major mistakes (Gus Frerotte perhaps?).

 

Tarvaris Jackson is horrible. He could be the worse QB in the league and im not even kidding.

 

And right behind him would be Sage Rosenfels. At least Jackson has the upside to perhaps become a good QB. Like I said, though, going with a steady vet like Frerotte wouldn't be awful with as much talent as he'd have around him.

[hawkeyecub]

You think that will happen into the season? That's what minicamp, OTAs and preseason are for. You don't think the WRs will adjust to Cutler at all over the next 4 months?

 

Sure, but they will still need to experience the actual games too. You can't totally substitute game experience with practice.

 

The Vikings receivers will have that same adjustment period with either Favre or Rosenfels.

 

Honestly, I'd go with Tarvaris Jackson over either of them. He has the most upside and probably won't be significantly worse than either. Let him try to develop or pull a Titans and bring in a decent veteran who won't do anything great, but also won't make major mistakes (Gus Frerotte perhaps?).

 

They had Frerotte last year.

 

That's why I brought him up. He's not exciting, but I think he could serve a similar role to Kerry Collins - manage the game enough to let the rest of the talent win games.

 

Except Frerotte is the opposite of a game manager. He's a poorer, less mobile version of Favre. He was a turnover machine and took an absurd amount of sacks.

He had the highest interception rate in the league last year, even though he played in a very conservative offense. On top of that awful rate, he didn't complete 60% of his passes and didn't get the ball downfield.

[dew1679666265]

Except Frerotte is the opposite of a game manager. He's a poorer, less mobile version of Favre. He was a turnover machine and took an absurd amount of sacks.

He had the highest interception rate in the league last year, even though he played in a very conservative offense. On top of that awful rate, he didn't complete 60% of his passes and didn't get the ball downfield.

 

Ok, not Frerotte then. None of the current QBs on the roster are the answer right now, but Jackson at least has the upside to perhaps eventually get there. Without a franchise QB, I think a game manager would be better than Favre.

[SpongeWorthy]

If the Vikings had Billy Volek or something they'd win 12 games.

[dew1679666265]

If the Vikings had Billy Volek or something they'd win 12 games.

 

Prying Volek from the Chargers (I think he's still there) would be a solid move. He's not an ideal QB, but there's a good chance he's improved since going to San Diego and he'd be better than anybody there.

[BCVM22]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6658/cutlerinuniforminside05.jpg

 

Aw yeah.

[ctcf]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6658/cutlerinuniforminside05.jpg

 

Aw yeah.

 

Yessssssssssssssss

[RedFlash]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6658/cutlerinuniforminside05.jpg

 

Aw yeah.

 

:yahoo:

:clapping:

[Banedon]

I hate to go off topic here in the "Brett Favre thread"....

 

According to a report in the Newark Star-Ledger, free-agent tight end Michael Gaines is scheduled to visit the Bears on Thursday. Gaines, who was cut by the Detroit Lions after this year's draft, worked out for the Jets on Wednesday.

 

The Bears are looking for help at receiver, but Gaines is more of a blocking tight end. The Bears don't appear to need much help at the position anyway with Greg Olsen and Desmond Clark.The status of second-year man Kellen Davis appears to be a question mark, so maybe the Bears are hoping Gaines could step into the role as the third tight end.

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/huddleup/2009/05/report-freeagent-tight-end-gaines-set-to-visit-bears.html

 

Why is Kellen Davis a question mark?