2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[jersey cubs fan]

I know it's fun to speculate he would do this, but hasn't he really jumped the shark at this point if he even starts to talk comeback again sometime this summer? Clearly he doesn't care what we say about him, but come on. It's beyond ridiculous now. If rumors start to surface again later this summer, ugh.

 

You think that matters to him?

[kujay]

I know it's fun to speculate he would do this, but hasn't he really jumped the shark at this point if he even starts to talk comeback again sometime this summer? Clearly he doesn't care what we say about him, but come on. It's beyond ridiculous now. If rumors start to surface again later this summer, ugh.

 

You think that matters to him?

 

Clearly not. I've always hated the guy, so his legacy can't go any lower for me. And perhaps he's one of those guys who just doesn't care about his legacy.

[Soul]

I know it's fun to speculate he would do this, but hasn't he really jumped the shark at this point if he even starts to talk comeback again sometime this summer? Clearly he doesn't care what we say about him, but come on. It's beyond ridiculous now. If rumors start to surface again later this summer, ugh.

 

You think that matters to him?

 

Clearly not. I've always hated the guy, so his legacy can't go any lower for me. And perhaps he's one of those guys who just doesn't care about his legacy.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate him, but once his whole "cool cat" routine was exposed as an act, it certainly removed much of the lustre from his image, IMO.

[Guest]

I'm really sick of Farve.

[dew1679666265]

I'm really sick of Farve.

 

Favre. :wink:

[Guest]

I'm really sick of Farve.

 

Favre. :wink:

I insist on spelling it the way he says it.

[RedFlash]

Some of you guys are completely ignoring the numbers on both sides. The numbers have not shown Cutler is as good as you're making him and he's going to have a decrease in legit targets to throw to this year. The numbers showed that Favre was better than you're making him last year before the injury.

 

Yes, Denver had Scheffler, Marshall, Stockley and Royal as the only guys with more then 500 yrds recieving, and that was with Cutler at QB and NO running game (no Bronco had more then 343 yards rushing). The Bears had 6 guys with at least 300 yards (one of those guys have been let go, mind you) with Kyle Orton and a running game. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that Marshall, Royal, and Scheffler (unless he's traded) will take a hit in production with Kyle Orton at QB and Moreno at RB. It is also not too much of a stretch to think Hester, Olsen, and Forte won't get a bump with Cutler at QB. Suffice to say I think the Bears will have enough targets for Cutler this coming year, albeit unproven to begin the year.

 

Of course I won't ignore that Favre is 39 and Cutler is likely to improve. But for this 1 year, I don't expect either to vary significantly from last year. Favre would have better weapons around him, Cutler would have inferior to what he had.

 

Wait.........wut?

 

Berrian and AP consitutues having better weapons around him? Explain that to me again? With Cutler as his QB, I suspect Hester will have at least the same type season next season as Berrian. And while I won't compare Forte to AP, but Forte isn't chopped liver. Not to mention the Vikes don't have a TE of either Schleffer or Olsen's ability on their roster. So it should surprise no one if the Bears have a better offense next yr then the Vikings.

[SpongeWorthy]

I'd rather have AD, Berrian, Harvin, and especially Minnesota's offensive line rather than the pu pu platter the Bears have at receiver, two decent (possibly very good in Olsen) tight ends, Forte, and the offensive line.

[hawkeyecub]

Some of you guys are completely ignoring the numbers on both sides. The numbers have not shown Cutler is as good as you're making him and he's going to have a decrease in legit targets to throw to this year. The numbers showed that Favre was better than you're making him last year before the injury.

 

Yes, Denver had Scheffler, Marshall, Stockley and Royal as the only guys with more then 500 yrds recieving, and that was with Cutler at QB and NO running game (no Bronco had more then 343 yards rushing). The Bears had 6 guys with at least 300 yards (one of those guys have been let go, mind you) with Kyle Orton and a running game. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that Marshall, Royal, and Scheffler (unless he's traded) will take a hit in production with Kyle Orton at QB and Moreno at RB. It is also not too much of a stretch to think Hester, Olsen, and Forte won't get a bump with Cutler at QB. Suffice to say I think the Bears will have enough targets for Cutler this coming year, albeit unproven to begin the year.

 

Of course I won't ignore that Favre is 39 and Cutler is likely to improve. But for this 1 year, I don't expect either to vary significantly from last year. Favre would have better weapons around him, Cutler would have inferior to what he had.

 

Wait.........wut?

 

Berrian and AP consitutues having better weapons around him? Explain that to me again? With Cutler as his QB, I suspect Hester will have at least the same type season next season as Berrian. And while I won't compare Forte to AP, but Forte isn't chopped liver. Not to mention the Vikes don't have a TE of either Schleffer or Olsen's ability on their roster. So it should surprise no one if the Bears have a better offense next yr then the Vikings.

 

On your first point, you just chose arbitrary numbers that don't really mean anything. Brandon Marshall and anyone is much better than the Bears WR's. Denver has/had a better o-line and their running game was more effective than the Bears.

 

The second point wasn't very difficult to understand. Berrian and AP are better than what Favre had with the Jets. Cutler will have an inferior supporting cast in my opinion compared to what he had with the Broncos. That's it.

 

Forte isn't chopped liver but he's not that good either. He's a very good pass receiver out of the backfield but an average to slightly above average rusher whose yardage looked good because he got a boatload of carries.

Are you aware Shiancoe had two more TD's and 22 more yards than Olsen last year on 10 fewer catches? Skill-wise I would take Olsen as a receiver, but Shank is a better blocker and was more productive with worse QB play and fewer touches.

[hawkeyecub]

I just hope if Favre really did tell them no, the Vikings let him know there offer won't stand. Sign now and either have surgery or come to mini-camp or stay retired. No waffling until the middle of July.

 

I think he provided more upside than Sage and would rather have had a healthy Favre in the playoffs. In the regular season I think it's probably 1, maybe 2 wins that it could cost us.

 

It's less disappointing than when Housh looked like he was set to sign and then left for Seattle at the last second.

[RedFlash]

On your first point, you just chose arbitrary numbers that don't really mean anything. Brandon Marshall and anyone is much better than the Bears WR's. Denver has/had a better o-line and their running game was more effective than the Bears.

 

I didn't chose "arbitrary numbers", I chose the most productive players by numbers on each team. The Bears had 6 guys with at least 300 yards with a very average QB in Kyle Orton, and the Broncos had 4 guys with at least 500 yards with a Top 5 QB in pure talent in Cutler. What I am saying is that Broncos' offense players are going to take a hit because they downgraded in QB and added a playmaker at RB. And the Bears offensive players are going to get a bump in production because they upgraded at QB.

 

Brandon Marshall is clearly the best reciever on either team, of this I don't questioned. But Eddie Royal and Devin Hester are both in the same boat. Both had productive years (remember Hester is still learning the position) considering the QB play. Suffice to say it won't surprise me if Hester has a better season next yr then Royal because of the QB.

 

 

 

The second point wasn't very difficult to understand. Berrian and AP are better than what Favre had with the Jets. Cutler will have an inferior supporting cast in my opinion compared to what he had with the Broncos. That's it.

 

Being unknown doesn't mean inferior. Both Marshall and Royal were unknown until they got playing time and having Jay Cutler didn't hurt either players development. So it wouldn't surprise me if Bennett and/or Iglesias have Eddie Royal type breakout year next yr. So yes, call me an optimist.

 

Forte isn't chopped liver but he's not that good either. He's a very good pass receiver out of the backfield but an average to slightly above average rusher whose yardage looked good because he got a boatload of carries.

Are you aware Shiancoe had two more TD's and 22 more yards than Olsen last year on 10 fewer catches? Skill-wise I would take Olsen as a receiver, but Shank is a better blocker and was more productive with worse QB play and fewer touches.

 

He's better then you think. Did you know Matt Forte had more combined yards (recieving + rushing) as a rookie then Adrian Peterson? That's right Forte had 1715 yards to AP 1609 yards, and this was with a very medicore line in Chicago. So before you knocked Matt Forte give him a better line (which I'm hoping adding Pace to LT, Williams to RT and Omiyale to one of the guard spot) and this young man can close the gap. I'm not saying Forte is as good as AP, but AP isn't THAT much better then Forte. The fact that he was still productive even tho he basically carried the offense, not to mention he doesn't have fumbleitis like Adrian Peterson (Forte had 1 Fumble: 1 lost last yr, AP had 9 fumbles: 4 lost) tells me Forte can and should be better next yr, just like AP did from rookie to sophomore years.

 

As for Shank, he's also a good four yrs older then Olsen. He may have been slightly better then Olsen last yr, but he's mostly hit his ceiling as a player. Not to mention Shank may be a better blocker then Olsen, but Dez is right there as a blocker.

 

We can do this pissing contest all day if you like, but the fact is right now it's a toss up as to which team is the true favorites for the division. I give it to the Bears, because we've address our weakness big time.

[hawkeyecub]

Yes Adrian is that much better than Forte. Forte averaged less than 4 yards per carry. The total yards don't tell you that much other than he got 120 more touches. So yes you're right. He had 106 more yards on 120 more touches. Great.

He is a better receiver but a big part of that is that the Vikings don't throw much to Adrian. They actually have another solid back and throw to him.

 

Forte is a slightly above average starting running back. Adrian is the best RB in the game. Comparing the two is like comparing Payton Manning to Jake Delhomme.

[UMFan83]

Yes Adrian is that much better than Forte. Forte averaged less than 4 yards per carry. The total yards don't tell you that much other than he got 120 more touches. So yes you're right. He had 106 more yards on 120 more touches. Great.

He is a better receiver but a big part of that is that the Vikings don't throw much to Adrian. They actually have another solid back and throw to him.

 

Forte is a slightly above average starting running back. Adrian is the best RB in the game. Comparing the two is like comparing Payton Manning to Jake Delhomme.

 

I'm not arguing that Forte is in the same class as APete, but the Bears O-line was awful in the running game last year and Forte was pretty much the only threat on offense for the Bears (there was Hester, but Orton couldn't get him the ball in deep routes, and Olsen but he wasn't on the field more than 60% of the time). There were a lot of times where there were 8 in the box, and Forte still had to fun through it.

 

I would say Forte is an above average starting RB, not slightly. The fact that a guy his size could handle as many touches as he had both in the running and passing game was impressive. I would say its comparing Peyton Manning to Donovan McNabb. McNabb is never going to be as good as Manning, but most of the time he's a very nice asset to have and better than your run of the mill QB that maybe 20 teams in the league employ.

[RedFlash]

I'm not arguing that Forte is in the same class as APete, but the Bears O-line was awful in the running game last year and Forte was pretty much the only threat on offense for the Bears (there was Hester, but Orton couldn't get him the ball in deep routes, and Olsen but he wasn't on the field more than 60% of the time). There were a lot of times where there were 8 in the box, and Forte still had to fun through it.

 

I would say Forte is an above average starting RB, not slightly. The fact that a guy his size could handle as many touches as he had both in the running and passing game was impressive. I would say its comparing Peyton Manning to Donovan McNabb. McNabb is never going to be as good as Manning, but most of the time he's a very nice asset to have and better than your run of the mill QB that maybe 20 teams in the league employ.

 

This what I am trying to say. Forte is a better RB then hawkeyecub is giving him credit for. But he also acts as if Forte can't or won't improve and that only AP is the only RB that can be a great RB.

[Magnetic Curses]

yes, peterson is great no one in history can touch him and favre is better now than he ever has been.

 

oh yeah, and everyone on the bears sucks compared to them.

 

but hey, let's talk iowa hoops!

[manbearcub]

me. you. behind the mall at 3 pm tommorow. Edited May 8, 2009 by manbearcub

[Flames24Rulz]

LeBron just gave his sneakers to Urlacher. Lucky bastard.

[Magnetic Curses]

me. you. behind the mall at 3 pm tommorow.

 

yeah, sorry, i.......well, i lied to you. it won't happen again.

[Magnetic Curses]

i really have no doubt that it's no coincidence that the top quarterbacks in the league all have a couple of very good-to-great receivers. cutler will come to chicago and make devin hester look like eddie royal. sure, eddie royal is strong or whatever, but devin hester is devin hester. the bears do not have a receiver like brandon marshall, but they have one of the better receiving tight ends in the league, one of the best pass-catching running backs and some potential to work with in iglesias, who looks good as a possession guy, and johnny knox, who is a very interesting player.

 

the bears will be just fine, cutler will make his receiving corp and everyone will wonder where these receivers came from.

[hawkeyecub]

yes, peterson is great no one in history can touch him and favre is better now than he ever has been.

 

oh yeah, and everyone on the bears sucks compared to them.

 

but hey, let's talk iowa hoops!

 

I'll give you one thing, sulley. No one on here can just make up stuff and use hyperbole like you can. Add that to your unmatched skills of self-pity when it comes to your teams and unique ability to constantly whine about officiating and horrible luck in the face of any factual evidence or sound reasoning.

[Guest]

LeBron just gave his sneakers to Urlacher. Lucky bastard.

It is a sure sign he wants to be a Bull.

[ELCABALLO45]

Im staying out of this argument.

 

BUT... I have 2 brother in laws. 1 from Wisconsin, 1 from Minnesota.... both Bronco fans, WTF?

 

Anyways.. I took a pic of Cutler in the Bears jersey and sent it to them :D

[Magnetic Curses]

yes, peterson is great no one in history can touch him and favre is better now than he ever has been.

 

oh yeah, and everyone on the bears sucks compared to them.

 

but hey, let's talk iowa hoops!

 

I'll give you one thing, sulley. No one on here can just make up stuff and use hyperbole like you can. Add that to your unmatched skills of self-pity when it comes to your teams and unique ability to constantly whine about officiating and horrible luck in the face of any factual evidence or sound reasoning.

 

hey, attack the post not the poster!

 

now, how about some iowa hoops?

[manbearcub]

C U @ 3 @ the mall

[Butterscup1679666578]

LeBron just gave his sneakers to Urlacher. Lucky bastard.

It is a sure sign he wants to be a Bull.

 

Urlacher? I'm sure he'd be solid inside for you guys.