Non-Tenders

[mdwilla]

Saito

Ghomes

Cabera

 

Wiggington - trade Derosa and bring the Ty in to replace him.

[Butterscup1679666578]

i'd love to take a shot at saito, even though he'll be 39 when the season starts

[Prior4CyYoung]

Wasn't Jonny Gomes soppose to be a big time prospect at one point.

[UK1679666180]

whats the deal with cabrera?

 

2 plus pitches, no command, will collaspe easily. I love his arm.

That's the name that jumped out at me. Think he could find improved control pitching one inning at a time?

 

With him, he's worth a look depending on whether a team overvalues his tools.

 

His FB has dropped his velo over his career going from 96 to 92.5 or so and since he struggles with command of it as a 4 seamer, I wonder how he would with a cutter or sinker and possibly a splitter with the size of that man's hands and arm action.

 

At worst, I think you give him a shot in the pen to go more max effort and concentrate on just his FB and slider.

Edited December 13, 2008 by UK

[UK1679666180]

help down the road...

 

Haeger

 

You must be looking way down the road. He's only 25, so we're looking at a good 7-8 years before he can start being productive.

 

He was a good pitcher as of 2006', while the knuckle ball might not flutter as much in the PCL, giving him a shot at Iowa for a chance to get to the majors is likely a better than most of what we'll see in iowa's rotation this year. I've always thought haeger has a shot as a btm of the rotation starter.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I wouldnt mind signing Chris Capuano cheap. Jim Hendry seems to live signing pitchers coming off injury who wont be ready until late-mid season at earliest. It worked with Ryan Demoster. However, Scott Williamson, Wade Miller, and Chad Fox, not so much. If Capuano can ever go back to being close to what he once was, hed be worth a 1 million dollar risk.

 

Daniel Cabrera would be a nice signing, but Im sure theres a line forming by teams in need of starting pitching a lot more than we do.

 

Ty Wiggington is a surprising one. We have no use for him, but Im surprised they didnt use him as a trading chip.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Wasn't Jonny Gomes soppose to be a big time prospect at one point.

 

Strong rookie year, strong decline ever since

 

2005 .282/.372/.534

2006 .216/.325/.431

2007 .244/.322/.460

2008 .182/.282/.383 (77 games)

[davearm2]

whats the deal with cabrera?

 

2 plus pitches, no command, will collaspe easily. I love his arm.

That's the name that jumped out at me. Think he could find improved control pitching one inning at a time?

 

It's certainly possible, but some pitching coach on some rebuilding team has fallen in love with Cabrera's arm, and is convincing his GM to spending starter money on him.

If that team was out there, then they would've traded a minor somethingorother to the O's so as to lock in an arb price and not to have to compete with the other 29 teams.

 

That's only true if you assume his arb price is lower than he'll get on the open market... which it might not be in this case.

You mentioned "starter money" above.

 

I guess that's pretty ambiguous but I certainly interpreted it to be a number higher than the $4-5M Cabrera would've gotten via arb.

[PackLandVA]

Didn't Joey Gathright get a lot of love on this board a couple years back??? I guess those 'message board GMs" were off on that one.

 

What did Saito make last year? What would it take to get for 2-3 years? He'd be a nice addition to the BP if he stayed healthy.

[Tryptamine]

Should we have Interest in Joe Nelson? He's coming off an extremely good year. Maybe there are injury concerns or something else I don't know about.

[biittner77]

Kevin Cash might be a decent backup for Soto if they cut ties with Hank White.

[RammyFanny]

Bruce liked the idea of bringing in Wiggington in his blog comments. He said he was voted a real dirty player and him and Bradley might give the Cubs a little spice.

 

I don't know if he can play second, but he can mash lefties. Him and Fontenot would be a great platoon if DeRosa were to get dealt.

[Clem Fandango]

Saito please. I don't care if he is old, now that Marmol will likely be the closer, we can use Saito to fill the role Marmol had the past couple of seasons. Actually I'm kind of shocked the Dodgers didn't keep him.

[BigbadB]

Saito please. I don't care if he is old, now that Marmol will likely be the closer, we can use Saito to fill the role Marmol had the past couple of seasons. Actually I'm kind of shocked the Dodgers didn't keep him.

 

The Dodgers are weird this offseason. Maybe the owner has taken a monster hit on the market. But, they have some serious sunk costs on that roster with Jason Schmidt, Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones. I think they are trimming wherever they can to try to bring back Manny.

[RammyFanny]

Saito please. I don't care if he is old, now that Marmol will likely be the closer, we can use Saito to fill the role Marmol had the past couple of seasons. Actually I'm kind of shocked the Dodgers didn't keep him.

It's not a matter of whether he's old, it's a matter of whether he can throw a pitch without severe pain.

[Cubswin11]

You guys know that Saito nearly had TJ surgery right? He didn't want to have to rehab almost a year though because of his age, I think 38-39. So he had some experimental procedure done where they injected marrow into his elbow, it had never been done on a pitcher before and even the doctor said he had no idea if it would work/help him out. Just saying that with the perception we don't have too much payroll flexibility, outside of an OF and possibly a SP if Marquis is traded, it probably wouldn't be wise to throw 3+ mil. at a 38-39 year old pitcher on the verge of TJ surgery. Now if he would be willing to sign a minor league deal/be a ST invitee I would be all for it, but I don't know if he ever would agree to do that.

[Rob]

help down the road...

 

Haeger

 

You must be looking way down the road. He's only 25, so we're looking at a good 7-8 years before he can start being productive.

 

He was a good pitcher as of 2006', while the knuckle ball might not flutter as much in the PCL, giving him a shot at Iowa for a chance to get to the majors is likely a better than most of what we'll see in iowa's rotation this year. I've always thought haeger has a shot as a btm of the rotation starter.

 

Never sign a knuckleballer under 30. I can't even think of one that was decent at that age.

[Rob]

You mentioned "starter money" above.

 

I guess that's pretty ambiguous but I certainly interpreted it to be a number higher than the $4-5M Cabrera would've gotten via arb.

 

I was only assuming he'd get a slightly higher salary if he was offered a rotation spot. Sorry to be so ambiguous.

[UK1679666180]

help down the road...

 

Haeger

 

You must be looking way down the road. He's only 25, so we're looking at a good 7-8 years before he can start being productive.

 

He was a good pitcher as of 2006', while the knuckle ball might not flutter as much in the PCL, giving him a shot at Iowa for a chance to get to the majors is likely a better than most of what we'll see in iowa's rotation this year. I've always thought haeger has a shot as a btm of the rotation starter.

 

Never sign a knuckleballer under 30. I can't even think of one that was decent at that age.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wakefti01.shtml

[badnews]

Cabrera's stuff is so good you just want to throw money at him, he could be one of those rare guys who posts a 2.00 G/F ratio and a 9 K/9.

 

Of course he sucks. BUT THAT STUFF MAN THAT DAMN STUFF

[Butterscup1679666578]

"The Dodgers would've been willing to do a $2.5MM deal plus incentives for Takashi Saito, but he did not accept that."

 

from MLBTR. I wouldn't give him any more than that, so forget it.

[Deeg]

Marlins just non-tendered Joe Nelson, he put up pretty good numbers last year and wouldn't be a bad addition to the pen for the right price.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/nelsojo01.shtml

 

Splits:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=nelsojo01&year=2008

 

I like Nelson, too - he'd probably sign for $2 million or so and he could be a nice addition to the middle of the pen.

[Guest]

Nelson and Britton. Free talent for a cheap bullpen.

[SouthSideRyan]

You guys are really underestimating what Wigginton is going to get on the open market. He certainly isn't coming here to be a super sub.

[The Other 15]

"The Dodgers would've been willing to do a $2.5MM deal plus incentives for Takashi Saito, but he did not accept that."

 

from MLBTR. I wouldn't give him any more than that, so forget it.

Yeah, I'd like to give Saito a shot if he's healthy, but it would have to be on a incentive laden deal. Who knows, maybe Percival, Gagne failures will give teams looking to strike lightning in a bottle with a old injured ridden vet a pause this off season before they give them huge 1 year deals.