Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[jersey cubs fan]

Boston also faced a number of challenging mental situations during those playoffs that could have ate them up and spit them out including playing the Yankees who had a mental edge on them, facing a 3-0 deficit, their ace playing on one ankle. They had to stay loose somehow.

 

There's no point in arguing it though because its impossible to quantify any sort of mental/chemistry influence in baseball. I don't even think I believe there is much effect. I just brought up Millar and his reputation for chemistry because someone was going to.

 

And yes the Red Sox were very very good in 2004. But so were the Cubs last year.

 

Perhaps my biggest problem with the notion of chemistry is that, even if you assume Millar's personality somehow added just the right amount of lightheartedness to loosen up other players and help them perform better, the assumption that this is some sort of ability of his that he can bring to another team just doesn't make sense to me. It may have happened in Boston in 2004. But that team won it all again in 2007, without the help of Millar's loosy goosy personality. And Miller didn't help them beat the Yankees in 2003 either. And what about 2005, when they got swept by the White Sox?

 

I just don't see any value in trying to recreate personality matches from teams that won in the past. The Phillies were a troubled team in a city even more title starved than Chicago, and their fans hated them for years, including during the 2008 season. They had done nothing in recent years. They got swept in the first round in 2007. But they didn't win because of some loose players.

[SouthSideRyan]

I would love Kevin Millar. People would play up the "OMG it was his attitude in Boston that got the Red Sox over the hump and won them a championship", but I have to feel like there is some value there.

 

That said, his numbers were awful last year.

 

Isn't he essentially only a backup 1B at this point? I don't see the point in Millar. His attitude wasn't nearly as important as his team's ridiculous production.

 

Yeah, he is pretty much a backup 1B. Knowing how you think (and a lot of people here), its hard to believe that someone's attitude or clubhouse presence had a difference in the play of a team. But if it was possible, if any team could use a boost like the Red Sox allegedly benefited from, its probably the Cubs with their history and recent postseason success.

 

A) We don't have a Yankees.

B) Boston won because as often as they were good, it was bound to happen.

C) If there's a team in the NL that needs some sort of mental boost, it's much more likely to be the Mets than the Cubs. That team has blown divisions two years in a row in glorious fashion.

D) If Millar was any good, I'd be perfectly fine adding him in hopes that there was some sort of intangible mental benefit on the side. However, he's not any good, and he plays a position (RH backup 1B) that the Cubs really have no need for.

 

Boston also faced a number of challenging mental situations during those playoffs that could have ate them up and spit them out including playing the Yankees who had a mental edge on them, facing a 3-0 deficit, their ace playing on one ankle. They had to stay loose somehow.

 

There's no point in arguing it though because its impossible to quantify any sort of mental/chemistry influence in baseball. I don't even think I believe there is much effect. I just brought up Millar and his reputation for chemistry because someone was going to.

 

And yes the Red Sox were very very good in 2004. But so were the Cubs last year.

 

So were the Red Sox in 2003 and 2005.

[UMFan83]

Boston also faced a number of challenging mental situations during those playoffs that could have ate them up and spit them out including playing the Yankees who had a mental edge on them, facing a 3-0 deficit, their ace playing on one ankle. They had to stay loose somehow.

 

There's no point in arguing it though because its impossible to quantify any sort of mental/chemistry influence in baseball. I don't even think I believe there is much effect. I just brought up Millar and his reputation for chemistry because someone was going to.

 

And yes the Red Sox were very very good in 2004. But so were the Cubs last year.

 

Perhaps my biggest problem with the notion of chemistry is that, even if you assume Millar's personality somehow added just the right amount of lightheartedness to loosen up other players and help them perform better, the assumption that this is some sort of ability of his that he can bring to another team just doesn't make sense to me. It may have happened in Boston in 2004. But that team won it all again in 2007, without the help of Millar's loosy goosy personality. And Miller didn't help them beat the Yankees in 2003 either. And what about 2005, when they got swept by the White Sox?

 

I just don't see any value in trying to recreate personality matches from teams that won in the past. The Phillies were a troubled team in a city even more title starved than Chicago, and their fans hated them for years, including during the 2008 season. They had done nothing in recent years. They got swept in the first round in 2007. But they didn't win because of some loose players.

 

No its true. I am not saying that Kevin Millar was the only reason the Red Sox won it in 2004, or that he was even a big reason. I was noting the similarities because the Cubs also have a huge psychological hump to get over. And for the record, they didn't get past the Yankees in 03, but they did fight back from an 0-2 deficit against the A's in the first round that year.

 

But you're right. The Cubs will have to find their own Kevin Millar most likely if it even matters in the long run. Plus Kevin Millar could be the greatest chemistry guy ever and it won't matter if he slugs .394 like he did last year.

[SouthSideRyan]

And for the record, they didn't get past the Yankees in 03, but they did fight back from an 0-2 deficit against the A's in the first round that year.

 

 

And they choked a 3-2 lead to the Yankees.

[UMFan83]

And for the record, they didn't get past the Yankees in 03, but they did fight back from an 0-2 deficit against the A's in the first round that year.

 

 

And they choked a 3-2 lead to the Yankees.

 

Kevin Millar had a fever that week.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And for the record, they didn't get past the Yankees in 03, but they did fight back from an 0-2 deficit against the A's in the first round that year.

 

 

And they choked a 3-2 lead to the Yankees.

 

Kevin Millar had a fever that week.

 

The only prescription....was more Pedro.

[Oscar Zamora]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

[BCVM22]

Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko, Jake Meyer and Antonio Perez.

 

I miss the days when seeing a new post in this thread meant hope.

[Oscar Zamora]

Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko, Jake Meyer and Antonio Perez.

 

I miss the days when seeing a new post in this thread meant hope.

 

Like I said, stand your ground Peavy. Don't budge an inch.

[Cubswin11]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

[Butterscup1679666578]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

 

Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko, Jake Meyer and Antonio Perez.

 

This was the trade.

[Cubswin11]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

 

Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko, Jake Meyer and Antonio Perez.

 

This was the trade.

Did he then sign an extension with Cincy after the trade?

[SouthSideRyan]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

 

No.

[BigbadB]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

 

No.

 

I believe Griffey and Cincy agreed to rework his contract so that much of it was deferred to fit into Cincy's budget.

[dew1679666265]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

 

No.

 

I believe Griffey and Cincy agreed to rework his contract so that much of it was deferred to fit into Cincy's budget.

 

I think they're still paying him upwards of $10-$15 million to sit at home (or play for someone else).

[Garwilly]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

 

No.

 

I believe Griffey and Cincy agreed to rework his contract so that much of it was deferred to fit into Cincy's budget.

 

I think they're still paying him upwards of $10-$15 million to sit at home (or play for someone else).

 

o 09:$16M club option ($4M buyout)

o $57.5M in salary deferred at 4% interest, to be paid 2009-2024,

 $5.5M of 2000 salary deferred

 $6.5M/year of 2001-2008 salaries deferred

o acquired by White Sox in trade from Cincinnati 7/31/08, Reds and White Sox splitting cost of Griffey's remaining 2008 salary and buyout of 2009 option

[Garwilly]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

 

No.

 

February 10, 2000: Traded by the Seattle Mariners to the Cincinnati Reds for Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko, Antonio Perez, and Jake Meyer (minors).

[dew1679666265]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

 

No.

 

I believe Griffey and Cincy agreed to rework his contract so that much of it was deferred to fit into Cincy's budget.

 

I think they're still paying him upwards of $10-$15 million to sit at home (or play for someone else).

 

o 09:$16M club option ($4M buyout)

o $57.5M in salary deferred at 4% interest, to be paid 2009-2024,

 $5.5M of 2000 salary deferred

 $6.5M/year of 2001-2008 salaries deferred

o acquired by White Sox in trade from Cincinnati 7/31/08, Reds and White Sox splitting cost of Griffey's remaining 2008 salary and buyout of 2009 option

 

So only about $5 mil a year plus 4% interest? Less than I thought, but still funny.

[AlwaysaCub]

Peavy just needs to stay his ground. If he pulls a Griffey Jr. in his trade demand to be a Cub then Jake Peavy will be traded to the Cubs before we know it. **Rememember that Griffey Jr. threatened to sit out the season (if I'm not mistaken) unless the Mariners traded him to the Reds. I can't remember who Seattle got for him but I don't think it was much.

Pretty sure Griffey signed as a FA with Cincy

 

No.

 

I believe Griffey and Cincy agreed to rework his contract so that much of it was deferred to fit into Cincy's budget.

 

I think they're still paying him upwards of $10-$15 million to sit at home (or play for someone else).

 

o 09:$16M club option ($4M buyout)

o $57.5M in salary deferred at 4% interest, to be paid 2009-2024,

 $5.5M of 2000 salary deferred

 $6.5M/year of 2001-2008 salaries deferred

o acquired by White Sox in trade from Cincinnati 7/31/08, Reds and White Sox splitting cost of Griffey's remaining 2008 salary and buyout of 2009 option

 

So only about $5 mil a year plus 4% interest? Less than I thought, but still funny.

 

2024 is a long time from now.

[Wheelimus]

If I were Griffey I'd just hang up the old cleats. He's an obvious 1st ballot Hall of Famer. He made a stupid amount of money and will continue to be paid a stupid amount of money (with interest!) for the next 15 freaking years. By the time the checks stop coming he'll be well on his way to his golden years and a cushy MLB pension.

 

He has nothing to prove, and anything short of a miraculous comeback is just going to be a forgotten footnote of his career.

 

The only good reason I could see him coming back for would be a ring. And in that case, he'd probably need to come to terms with being a 4th outfielder on a playoff bound team.

[kujay]

Perhaps it's time to shut this one down, given that it's fairly obvious this deal won't happen and this thread has turned into nothing to do with Peavy.

[Old Style]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1409147,hill-cubs-traded-020209.article

 

Not sure it means much, but this line was thrown in at the end of the Hill-Wuertz article in the Sun Times.

 

Sources tell the Sun-Times that the Cubs continue to be interested in San Diego's Jake Peavy.

[erik316wttn]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1409147,hill-cubs-traded-020209.article

 

Not sure it means much, but this line was thrown in at the end of the Hill-Wuertz article in the Sun Times.

 

Sources tell the Sun-Times that the Cubs continue to be interested in San Diego's Jake Peavy.

 

And I'm interested in Angelina Jolie. And I have about the same chances of acquiring her as the Cubs do of acquiring Peavy.

[BigbadB]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1409147,hill-cubs-traded-020209.article

 

Not sure it means much, but this line was thrown in at the end of the Hill-Wuertz article in the Sun Times.

 

Sources tell the Sun-Times that the Cubs continue to be interested in San Diego's Jake Peavy.

 

And I'm interested in Angelina Jolie. And I have about the same chances of acquiring her as the Cubs do of acquiring Peavy.

 

Your table is ready, Mr. Pitt.

[Clem Fandango]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1409147,hill-cubs-traded-020209.article

 

Not sure it means much, but this line was thrown in at the end of the Hill-Wuertz article in the Sun Times.

 

Sources tell the Sun-Times that the Cubs continue to be interested in San Diego's Jake Peavy.

 

And I'm interested in Angelina Jolie. And I have about the same chances of acquiring her as the Cubs do of acquiring Peavy.

 

Maybe it's time to adopt an impoverished African baby to get on her good side. Step 2 is getting starring roles in awesome movies for the next 10-15 years and you're in!