Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[anabiono]

If Keyop is an android, why does he fall in love in the episode "Cupid Does It To Keyop"?

[UMFan83]

Please lock this god forsaken thread. Peavy is not coming to Chicago.

 

Jim Hendry is an absolute failure.

 

Why does this mean Hendry is a failure? He didn't have to have Peavy, and when it came down to it, he likely didn't have the money to spend on him.

 

Cmon, the entire offseason has been a failure. This ballclub did NOT improve in the offseason. We coulden't scratch out any runs in the playoffs for two years in a row. Jim Hendry is a giant failure.

 

If 3 playoff appearances in 6 years is a giant failure, what do you call the previous 60 years of Cubs GMs?

 

I have my serious gripes with Hendry as well, but theres no need for a massive overreaction.

[anabiono]

bueller?

[Illini Iceman]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Doesn't matter that Fontenot actually put up better numbers in his playing time last year than DeRosa. DeRosa is a veteran, dude, so you got trust the vets if you want to win.

 

Maybe Fontenot won't be able to cut it, but I don't see the big uproar about giving him a shot. I still prefer Fontenot / Bradley / Fukudome to DeRosa / Fukudome / Johnson if Hendry really had to make the move to clear some payroll. With an unlimited budget clearly DeRosa + Bradley makes the team better than Bradley without DeRosa but Hendry is not so clueless that he does not know that. He must have been under some pressure to move DeRosa if he was going to be allowed to sign Bradley.

 

Also, everyone was pretty excited about Fukudome coming over here last offseason. While I know he struggled in the second half of the season I don't know why it is suddenly inconceivable that he could provide pretty good production out of CF, especially combined with Johnson who is pretty darn good against LH pitching where Fukudome seems to have more problems. The guy always hit in Japan and he seems like a smart player so I am not so sure he can't make the necessary adjustments.

[cubswin2009]

Please lock this god forsaken thread. Peavy is not coming to Chicago.

 

Jim Hendry is an absolute failure.

 

Why does this mean Hendry is a failure? He didn't have to have Peavy, and when it came down to it, he likely didn't have the money to spend on him.

 

Cmon, the entire offseason has been a failure. This ballclub did NOT improve in the offseason. We coulden't scratch out any runs in the playoffs for two years in a row. Jim Hendry is a giant failure.

 

If 3 playoff appearances in 6 years is a giant failure, what do you call the previous 60 years of Cubs GMs?

 

I have my serious gripes with Hendry as well, but theres no need for a massive overreaction.

This offseason WAS a failure. We regressed by a ton. We basically gave up DeRosa for nothing as it stands.

[CUBZ99]

Please lock this god forsaken thread. Peavy is not coming to Chicago.

 

Jim Hendry is an absolute failure.

 

Why does this mean Hendry is a failure? He didn't have to have Peavy, and when it came down to it, he likely didn't have the money to spend on him.

 

Cmon, the entire offseason has been a failure. This ballclub did NOT improve in the offseason. We coulden't scratch out any runs in the playoffs for two years in a row. Jim Hendry is a giant failure.

 

If 3 playoff appearances in 6 years is a giant failure, what do you call the previous 60 years of Cubs GMs?

 

I have my serious gripes with Hendry as well, but theres no need for a massive overreaction.

 

Obviously they weren't any better, but he has a point about the offseason. The Cubs were supposed to be able to increase their salary this year, and really haven't improved much. Every GM's job is to look to upgrade the team going into the next year. Instead Hendry is shopping in the bargain bin and picking up junk. It appears that he is flailing around hoping that by just making moves he will improve the team. Gregg < Wood, Miles < DeRosa, Bako < Soto, Gathright < Ward or Pie. The only upgrade so far appears to be Bradley, who is a monster when healthy. The problem is that Hendry paid him more than any other team was willing to pay and we have to pray that all is decent that Bradley miraculously stays healthy all year. Now we are hearing names like Looper and Wolf?

 

So maybe cubbyvirus should have said that the great majority of this offseason has been a failure, to be more accurate.

[CUBZ99]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Doesn't matter that Fontenot actually put up better numbers in his playing time last year than DeRosa. DeRosa is a veteran, dude, so you got trust the vets if you want to win.

 

Maybe Fontenot won't be able to cut it, but I don't see the big uproar about giving him a shot. I still prefer Fontenot / Bradley / Fukudome to DeRosa / Fukudome / Johnson if Hendry really had to make the move to clear some payroll. With an unlimited budget clearly DeRosa + Bradley makes the team better than Bradley without DeRosa but Hendry is not so clueless that he does not know that. He must have been under some pressure to move DeRosa if he was going to be allowed to sign Bradley.

 

Also, everyone was pretty excited about Fukudome coming over here last offseason. While I know he struggled in the second half of the season I don't know why it is suddenly inconceivable that he could provide pretty good production out of CF, especially combined with Johnson who is pretty darn good against LH pitching where Fukudome seems to have more problems. The guy always hit in Japan and he seems like a smart player so I am not so sure he can't make the necessary adjustments.

 

The problem with your argument about DeRosa is that he was only set to make $5.5MM this year. If they wanted to give Fontenot a shot, great. But at least keep DeRosa. Instead the money saved on DeRosa goes to Miles $2.5, Bako $750K, Gathright $800K, and Heilman $1.2MM. The Cubs had decent in house options at all of those positions, and could have easily just let DeRosa play super sub.

[Illini Iceman]

Please lock this god forsaken thread. Peavy is not coming to Chicago.

 

Jim Hendry is an absolute failure.

 

Why does this mean Hendry is a failure? He didn't have to have Peavy, and when it came down to it, he likely didn't have the money to spend on him.

 

Cmon, the entire offseason has been a failure. This ballclub did NOT improve in the offseason. We coulden't scratch out any runs in the playoffs for two years in a row. Jim Hendry is a giant failure.

 

If 3 playoff appearances in 6 years is a giant failure, what do you call the previous 60 years of Cubs GMs?

 

I have my serious gripes with Hendry as well, but theres no need for a massive overreaction.

 

Obviously they weren't any better, but he has a point about the offseason. The Cubs were supposed to be able to increase their salary this year, and really haven't improved much. Every GM's job is to look to upgrade the team going into the next year. Instead Hendry is shopping in the bargain bin and picking up junk. It appears that he is flailing around hoping that by just making moves he will improve the team. Gregg < Wood, Miles < DeRosa, Bako < Soto, Gathright < Ward or Pie. The only upgrade so far appears to be Bradley, who is a monster when healthy. The problem is that Hendry paid him more than any other team was willing to pay and we have to pray that all is decent that Bradley miraculously stays healthy all year. Now we are hearing names like Looper and Wolf?

 

So maybe cubbyvirus should have said that the great majority of this offseason has been a failure, to be more accurate.

 

If that really was a move that Hendry made then I would agree with your point.

[17 Seconds]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

[cubswin2009]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

[Illini Iceman]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

[17 Seconds]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Doesn't matter that Fontenot actually put up better numbers in his playing time last year than DeRosa. DeRosa is a veteran, dude, so you got trust the vets if you want to win.

 

Maybe Fontenot won't be able to cut it, but I don't see the big uproar about giving him a shot. I still prefer Fontenot / Bradley / Fukudome to DeRosa / Fukudome / Johnson if Hendry really had to make the move to clear some payroll. With an unlimited budget clearly DeRosa + Bradley makes the team better than Bradley without DeRosa but Hendry is not so clueless that he does not know that. He must have been under some pressure to move DeRosa if he was going to be allowed to sign Bradley.

 

Also, everyone was pretty excited about Fukudome coming over here last offseason. While I know he struggled in the second half of the season I don't know why it is suddenly inconceivable that he could provide pretty good production out of CF, especially combined with Johnson who is pretty darn good against LH pitching where Fukudome seems to have more problems. The guy always hit in Japan and he seems like a smart player so I am not so sure he can't make the necessary adjustments.

 

For the record, I believe Fukudome was actually better against LHP last season, although all his home runs came against RHP. Also, he was bad for more than just the second half. He sucked for about the last 4-5 months.

 

I'm alright with the CF situation though. I think Fukudome will improve enough to be a decent vs RHP and we know Johnson will mash lefties

[cubswin2009]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

Or Kerry Wood...

[17 Seconds]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

 

Or Wood

 

Plus Eyre was really good for the Phillies. I'd love to have him back

[Illini Iceman]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

 

Or Wood

 

Plus Eyre was really good for the Phillies. I'd love to have him back

 

All Eyre and Marquis had to do was be traded to go from NSBB whipping boys to beloved quality pitchers.

[Illini Iceman]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

Or Kerry Wood...

 

So now Hendry is fitting DeRosa and Wood into his budget? Yeah, I'm sorry he should have kept them and not given Dempster and Bradley those crazy contracts. Then we could be complaining about Marquis being our fourth starter and Gaithright/Johnson platooning in CF and Fukudome every day in RF.

[17 Seconds]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

 

Or Wood

 

Plus Eyre was really good for the Phillies. I'd love to have him back

 

All Eyre and Marquis had to do was be traded to go from NSBB whipping boys to beloved quality pitchers.

 

When Eyre was still on the team and not being used, many people here were wondering why, and many people were wondering why we dumped him.

 

He only gave up 1 run in his first 10.1 IP last season, then he had 3 straight bad games and they just quit on him. That's when he went to Philly and was light out. Also he had a .74 ERA over his last 30 games (24.1 IP) of 2007.

[anabiono]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

Or Kerry Wood...

 

So now Hendry is fitting DeRosa and Wood into his budget? Yeah, I'm sorry he should have kept them and not given Dempster and Bradley those crazy contracts. Then we could be complaining about Marquis being our fourth starter and Gaithright/Johnson platooning in CF and Fukudome every day in RF.

 

dude...lets go have a catch sometime!

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

Or Kerry Wood...

 

So now Hendry is fitting DeRosa and Wood into his budget? Yeah, I'm sorry he should have kept them and not given Dempster and Bradley those crazy contracts. Then we could be complaining about Marquis being our fourth starter and Gaithright/Johnson platooning in CF and Fukudome every day in RF.

 

Nobody's talking about budgets, they're talking about how the team is worse than last year.

[anabiono]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

Or Kerry Wood...

 

So now Hendry is fitting DeRosa and Wood into his budget? Yeah, I'm sorry he should have kept them and not given Dempster and Bradley those crazy contracts. Then we could be complaining about Marquis being our fourth starter and Gaithright/Johnson platooning in CF and Fukudome every day in RF.

 

Nobody's talking about budgets, they're talking about how the team is worse than last year.

 

budgets are relevant though

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

Or Kerry Wood...

 

So now Hendry is fitting DeRosa and Wood into his budget? Yeah, I'm sorry he should have kept them and not given Dempster and Bradley those crazy contracts. Then we could be complaining about Marquis being our fourth starter and Gaithright/Johnson platooning in CF and Fukudome every day in RF.

 

Nobody's talking about budgets, they're talking about how the team is worse than last year.

 

budgets are relevant though

 

Not when people are arguing that the lineup and bullpen aren't any worse than last year. They're relevant when going about not making the team worse, but people were just arguing whether it is worse.

 

Great, I've become Kyle.

[17 Seconds]

Yeah we're talking about the team on the field, not the factors that led to that team

[Illini Iceman]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

And our bullpen is probably worse than last year.

 

Damn, no Eyre or Howry.

 

Or Wood

 

Plus Eyre was really good for the Phillies. I'd love to have him back

 

All Eyre and Marquis had to do was be traded to go from NSBB whipping boys to beloved quality pitchers.

 

When Eyre was still on the team and not being used, many people here were wondering why, and many people were wondering why we dumped him.

 

He only gave up 1 run in his first 10.1 IP last season, then he had 3 straight bad games and they just quit on him. That's when he went to Philly and was light out. Also he had a .74 ERA over his last 30 games (24.1 IP) of 2007.

 

He would have good stretches. And then turn to crap so you couldn't trust him any more except for mop up work.

 

I would say that the 7.15 ERA and 1.71 WHIP while with the Cubs is why they quit on him. But hey, I am sure he really is great and a guy like Gregg is completely useless junk.

[anabiono]

Yeah we're talking about the team on the field, not the factors that led to that team

 

yeah guys...

 

because this thread, or any other thread on this site for that matter, has never had an evolving conversation...

 

if it is relevant, why complain?

[The Other 15]

I don't get the worse lienup talk.

 

DeRos production replaced by Bradley and Fukudonems 2008 production replaced by Fontenot isn't enough to call the lineup worse. Different, balanced, younger yes. Worse? Not until proven so.

 

Fukudome is still in the lineup (against RHP, so for the majority of the games) so Bradley isn't replacing him. He's basically replacing Edmonds. Fontenot is replacing DeRosa.

I'll play nice but, as usual, you're fixated on semantics. It really doesn't matter who replaced who where, it's about the overall effect on the offense. If you believe that Bradley is better than 2008 DeRosa and that Fontenot can is better than 2008 Fuku, you have to say they got better. CF platoon notwithstanding. Obviously health will be a much bigger issue than CF production.