Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[cubswin2009]

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[BigbadB]

I never thought it was completely dead. But, I also fully expected to see many more teams trying to get in on the action.

[CubinNY]

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It's alive..............

[haubrich91]

Oh boy...here we go again.

 

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[Backtobanks]

Are you kidding?

 

No. All quotes are direct quotes.

 

Well, here we go again......

 

Yes. It sounds like the Cubs are ready to trade DeRosa to a third team for prospects. Some of the prospects will go to the Padres. Levine thinks Vizcaino may be moved as well, and that the salary saved from Marquis and DeRosa will allow the Cubs to get Peavy. He was saying something about Fukudome getting another shot in RF or something to that effect but I was distracted.

 

Where are the Cubs going to put Bradley if Fukudome is in RF?

[kujay]

OMG Peavy I knew it!

 

Seriously, Peavy and Bradley would make this a successful offseason.

[Soul]

OMG Peavy I knew it!

 

Seriously, Peavy and Bradley would make this a successful offseason.

 

...but it's just Levine again. we aren't going to fall into this trap again, right?

[Banedon]

Yeah, I'm not biting.

[JWCUB]

Yeah, I'm not biting.

 

I am. I never really thought it was "dead" to begin with. I think Hendry told Towers to shelve the talks for Peavy until later in the offseason when he could swing a decent trade for Marquis. If Towers found another trading partner for Peavy, then go for it. But I think from Peavys perspective, he was telling Towers "the Cubs or nothing." JMO

[Banedon]

Yeah, I'm not biting.

 

I am. I never really thought it was "dead" to begin with. I think Hendry told Towers to shelve the talks for Peavy until later in the offseason when he could swing a decent trade for Marquis. If Towers found another trading partner for Peavy, then go for it. But I think from Peavys perspective, he was telling Towers "the Cubs or nothing." JMO

 

I need someone more besides Bruce Levine's speculation before I'm a believer. The Bradley and Marquis things have other sources. The Peavy thing doesn't.

[David]

Yeah, I'm not biting.

 

I am. I never really thought it was "dead" to begin with. I think Hendry told Towers to shelve the talks for Peavy until later in the offseason when he could swing a decent trade for Marquis. If Towers found another trading partner for Peavy, then go for it. But I think from Peavys perspective, he was telling Towers "the Cubs or nothing." JMO

 

I need someone more besides Bruce Levine's speculation before I'm a believer. The Bradley and Marquis things have other sources. The Peavy thing doesn't.

 

 

What about Dan Hayes saying the teams were still talking last week? Or the Rosenthal report that talks would be revisited if/when they got some payroll things figured out with new ownership? Or just the fact that it would've been stupid for the Cubs to walk away completely when they held the majority of the cards in this.

 

The opening of a spot in the rotation (granted, we have guys like Marshall and Guz) may (or may not) suggest that we intend to acquire another SP.

[Banedon]

Yeah, I'm not biting.

 

I am. I never really thought it was "dead" to begin with. I think Hendry told Towers to shelve the talks for Peavy until later in the offseason when he could swing a decent trade for Marquis. If Towers found another trading partner for Peavy, then go for it. But I think from Peavys perspective, he was telling Towers "the Cubs or nothing." JMO

 

I need someone more besides Bruce Levine's speculation before I'm a believer. The Bradley and Marquis things have other sources. The Peavy thing doesn't.

 

 

What about Dan Hayes saying the teams were still talking last week? Or the Rosenthal report that talks would be revisited if/when they got some payroll things figured out with new ownership? Or just the fact that it would've been stupid for the Cubs to walk away completely when they held the majority of the cards in this.

 

The opening of a spot in the rotation (granted, we have guys like Marshall and Guz) may (or may not) suggest that we intend to acquire another SP.

 

Well, anything may (or may not) mean anything...lol

 

I did not see the Hayes report, but I'm going to still remain skeptical. I'm not saying it won't happen this offseason, but I'm not taking rumors at face value at this point.

[BigbadB]

There really was no reason to trade Marquis and/or DeRosa unless the Cubs feel like these deals will get the necessary parts to acquire Peavy.

 

Trading Marquis weakens the back end of the rotation, and quite possibly the bullpen as well, since one of the bullpen guys might be needed to fill the rotation spot.

 

Signing Bradley, while losing DeRosa, weakens the depth at 2b and OF, especially if Bradley gets hurt.

 

I just don't see making these trades unless a deal for Peavy is still on the table.

 

I think Hendry walked away originally, because the Padres were making the dealings way too public for Hendry's liking, as well as being too ridiculous on the demands. It's as if Towers was dictating/directing the entire deal.

 

Towers still needs to deal Peavy. His job may be on the line if he doesn't. With limited places to trade him to, Hendry might still be able to swing a deal if he:

 

a) frees up the rotation spot by trading Marquis

b) gets the necessary trade chips by trading DeRosa

c) frees up enough money between Marquis and DeRosa to afford Peavy.

 

All indications early on were that the Cubs had money to spend to upgrade RF, if they did nothing else. Use that money for Bradley and then trade Marquis and DeRosa for the necessary money to afford Peavy.

[Sever82]

The opening of a spot in the rotation (granted, we have guys like Marshall and Guz) may (or may not) suggest that we intend to acquire another SP.

 

 

I think this is the best part of your post because I really do believe this. If the Cubs move Marquis they have to obtain a starter because they're not going to go into the season with Marshall or Shark as your fifth guy in the rotation. They see Marshall as a injury fill in or rest fill in, in the rotation. I've always said that once marquis moves, you'll see the cubs begining to move some additional pieces. If Derosa is moved, they better get peavy or roberts but i'd prefer peavy. The Bradley signing i'm worried about because of the number of games he has played the past few years. I would be happy if the cubs signed him to a 2yr deal with a 3rd yr option for 14 million plus 6 million in incentives that depend on the number of games he's out there for. If the cubs sign bradley for 10 million per i feel it would be a bad deal cause the guy can't stay healthy. To be honest a lot of you may disagree but i'd rather have Derosa on our roster rather than Bradley because at least with Derosa you know you can depend on 140+ games for the season and a solid offensive output.

[BigbadB]

To be honest a lot of you may disagree but i'd rather have Derosa on our roster rather than Bradley because at least with Derosa you know you can depend on 140+ games for the season and a solid offensive output.

 

That's the thing. I only like Bradley as an option if they have someone like DeRosa to fill in WHEN Bradley is hurt. When Bradley is hurt without DeRosa, now you have Gathright playing CF and Johnson/Fukudome playing RF, along with Fontenot playing 2nd everyday. I suppose that would be more tolerable if Jake Peavy was in the rotation every 5th day.

 

Marshall has a lot of value to this team right now as Harden's insurance policy. I'm not sure the Cubs would actually have a viable 6th starter as the roster currently stands if Marshall had to be in the rotation.

[jyoung55]

I dont know, with a deal this big, between rotoworld and mlbtraderumors, had they heard a rumor from Jim Hendreys nephews, best friends, mothers, boyfriends, dentists, bookies, cousins, dog sitter, it would have been posted instantly, and neither of those 2 sites mention anything about Peavy.

 

Yea I went to school with Hendry's Close Friend's Kids and I have not heard anything. This can't be true.

[Sever82]

To be honest a lot of you may disagree but i'd rather have Derosa on our roster rather than Bradley because at least with Derosa you know you can depend on 140+ games for the season and a solid offensive output.

 

That's the thing. I only like Bradley as an option if they have someone like DeRosa to fill in WHEN Bradley is hurt. When Bradley is hurt without DeRosa, now you have Gathright playing CF and Johnson/Fukudome playing RF, along with Fontenot playing 2nd everyday. I suppose that would be more tolerable if Jake Peavy was in the rotation every 5th day.

 

Marshall has a lot of value to this team right now as Harden's insurance policy. I'm not sure the Cubs would actually have a viable 6th starter as the roster currently stands if Marshall had to be in the rotation.

 

Derosa being traded definitely will signal either the arrival of peavy or roberts. No way Hendry trade Derosa and ends up with prospects for his farm system. Marquis is a step foward toward aquiring peavy or roberts but just that move alone does not put the cubs in a position to aquire them. If the cubs trade away Derosa and only land Bradley, that would be horrible period. People are sweating Bradley too much, he's a good hitter because he's not a great player or a player that would carry us to the WS. I feel peavy or roberts will have a greater impact to the cubs than bradley. I would honestly rather sign Dunn than bradley because of the health issue. Too many people are overlooking the health issue and assuming bradley will have a season similar to last year.

[CubColtPacer]

To be honest a lot of you may disagree but i'd rather have Derosa on our roster rather than Bradley because at least with Derosa you know you can depend on 140+ games for the season and a solid offensive output.

 

That's the thing. I only like Bradley as an option if they have someone like DeRosa to fill in WHEN Bradley is hurt. When Bradley is hurt without DeRosa, now you have Gathright playing CF and Johnson/Fukudome playing RF, along with Fontenot playing 2nd everyday. I suppose that would be more tolerable if Jake Peavy was in the rotation every 5th day.

 

Marshall has a lot of value to this team right now as Harden's insurance policy. I'm not sure the Cubs would actually have a viable 6th starter as the roster currently stands if Marshall had to be in the rotation.

 

Plus if you move Marshall into a bigger role you have to have an insurance policy for him as well. That would leave the Cubs with 2 big risks for injury in the rotation (Harden, Marshall), one moderate risk (Z), and two low risks (Dempster, Lilly). If the Cubs trade Marquis they almost certainly will have to find another starter as that situation is a recipe for disaster.

[rawaction]

To be honest a lot of you may disagree but i'd rather have Derosa on our roster rather than Bradley because at least with Derosa you know you can depend on 140+ games for the season and a solid offensive output.

 

That's the thing. I only like Bradley as an option if they have someone like DeRosa to fill in WHEN Bradley is hurt. When Bradley is hurt without DeRosa, now you have Gathright playing CF and Johnson/Fukudome playing RF, along with Fontenot playing 2nd everyday. I suppose that would be more tolerable if Jake Peavy was in the rotation every 5th day.

 

Marshall has a lot of value to this team right now as Harden's insurance policy. I'm not sure the Cubs would actually have a viable 6th starter as the roster currently stands if Marshall had to be in the rotation.

 

I can't say that I would rather have Derosa, because Bradley's a better player. But I'd rather keep Derosa if the Cubs get Bradley moreso than if the Cubs were to get a player like Dunn. I think the everyday offense may be upgraded going from Derosa/RF to Bradley/Fontenot, but the dropoff from Bradley to Johnson/Gathright and Fontenot to the new backup 2B (which the Cubs don't have right now) is greatly increased.

[BigbadB]

To be honest a lot of you may disagree but i'd rather have Derosa on our roster rather than Bradley because at least with Derosa you know you can depend on 140+ games for the season and a solid offensive output.

 

That's the thing. I only like Bradley as an option if they have someone like DeRosa to fill in WHEN Bradley is hurt. When Bradley is hurt without DeRosa, now you have Gathright playing CF and Johnson/Fukudome playing RF, along with Fontenot playing 2nd everyday. I suppose that would be more tolerable if Jake Peavy was in the rotation every 5th day.

 

Marshall has a lot of value to this team right now as Harden's insurance policy. I'm not sure the Cubs would actually have a viable 6th starter as the roster currently stands if Marshall had to be in the rotation.

 

Plus if you move Marshall into a bigger role you have to have an insurance policy for him as well. That would leave the Cubs with 2 big risks for injury in the rotation (Harden, Marshall), one moderate risk (Z), and two low risks (Dempster, Lilly). If the Cubs trade Marquis they almost certainly will have to find another starter as that situation is a recipe for disaster.

 

Yep. These deals don't make a lot of sense without something bigger happening. The only other guys I can think of that Hendry has looked at this offseason (beyond Peavy), is Sheets and RJ.

 

Although, I'm not sure whether I'd rather see the Cubs trade DeRosa for the prospects necessary to facilitate a deal for Hermida, and then just sign Sheets.

 

Nah. I'd still rather have Peavy.

[BigbadB]

To be honest a lot of you may disagree but i'd rather have Derosa on our roster rather than Bradley because at least with Derosa you know you can depend on 140+ games for the season and a solid offensive output.

 

That's the thing. I only like Bradley as an option if they have someone like DeRosa to fill in WHEN Bradley is hurt. When Bradley is hurt without DeRosa, now you have Gathright playing CF and Johnson/Fukudome playing RF, along with Fontenot playing 2nd everyday. I suppose that would be more tolerable if Jake Peavy was in the rotation every 5th day.

 

Marshall has a lot of value to this team right now as Harden's insurance policy. I'm not sure the Cubs would actually have a viable 6th starter as the roster currently stands if Marshall had to be in the rotation.

 

I can't say that I would rather have Derosa, because Bradley's a better player. But I'd rather keep Derosa if the Cubs get Bradley moreso than if the Cubs were to get a player like Dunn. I think the everyday offense may be upgraded going from Derosa/RF to Bradley/Fontenot, but the dropoff from Bradley to Johnson/Gathright and Fontenot to the new backup 2B (which the Cubs don't have right now) is greatly increased.

 

You quoted the wrong person. I never said I'd rather have DeRosa. I'd rather have Bradley AND DeRosa AND Peavy. But, if we have to lose DeRosa to get Peavy, I can live with it.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you could lock-in DeRosa's 2008 numbers again, then maybe you'd hesitate to see him go with Bradley coming in. However, I'm not sure it's all that likely to happen. He's a nice player, but he's in his mid-30's now. I don't like counting on guys to repeat career years, let alone career years at 34. I still say trade high with the guy going into his final year of his contract.

[JWCUB]

With the signing of Miles, I see Dero and Cedeno gone. I think the Cubs are moving in on Peavy.

[Banedon]

Levine sure is getting a lot of scoops....hmmm. I don't wanna start letting myself think the Peavy thing is a possibility.