Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Dallas Green]

In fact, just the other day someone did an interview with Kenney about the budget. He went on and on and then at the end. Kenney wouldn't confirm the figure, but sources said it was 140 mil. How convienient.

[RedFlash]

Why is Sullivan breaking stories? I'm still waiting to hear from Bruce. When Bruce says the deal is close and I will start to get excited.

 

What if Bruce is busy trying to confirm these sources?

 

This is the 24-hour news cycle and new journalism. "Confirming" sources is an anachronism. :)

 

True, but it seems to me that Bruce will not relay any information about the Cubs and their plans, unless he gets the info straight from the horse's mouth. None of these second hand info.

 

That is not Bruce's style. However, Ken Rosenthal and Bruce Levine are pretty good at that game. These sources are often not second hand. They are people like Kenney, Hendry, etc that just want it to not be attributed to them.

 

I understand that. I merely said that Bruce wouldn't come on NSBB unless he has current info that is legit/confirm by people in the know. It just seems to me that Rosenthal and Levine get a grain of truth and expand it, where as Bruce would rather get the picture from the higher ups, and then best explain what is going on without burning any bridges.

[Cubswin11]

I actually saw someone speculating about this on another MB, but with the report that even if a deal is finalized it won't be announced until after the Rule 5, maybe a deal is dependent on the Cubs/Padres/3rd/4th team drafting a certain guy and including him in a trade. Anybody know the draft order of the Rule 5? It's possible the Padres want more than one guy in the rule 5 (it was reported) and they feel one of the teams is in position to be able to draft a player they might not be able to get and want them to draft and trade that player, ala Josh Hamilton. Pure speculation here but there could be something to it and I would imagine the Padres/Orioles both will have higher draft position than the Phillies/Cubs so it could be interesting to see if any of the teams draft someone.

[manbearcub]

 

The negative with Bradley is his injury history and the inevitable Z bashing Bradley in the face with a bat.

The solution to this is simply to not lose any games next year.

[nilodnayr]

 

The negative with Bradley is his injury history and the inevitable Z bashing Bradley in the face with a bat.

The solution to this is simply to not lose any games next year.

 

with peavy in the rotation...that could happen :D

[17 Seconds]

Abreu is a terrible defender. One of the worst in the league.

 

but ibanez is worse

 

they're pretty close...uzr has abreu a bit worse

 

but how many games has ibanez actually played in rf?

 

meh, RF LF, same howry

 

not really. derosa was alright in right field but we all saw how bad he looked in left. there is a learning curve

[cubswin2009]

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/09/s10padres-peavy/?padres

LAS VEGAS — Padres General Manager Kevin Towers Tuesday spoke more optimistically of dealing Jake Peavy to the Cubs than he has in any public comments to date.

 

If a deal is struck – and sticking points remained Tuesday night – Towers said it likely will not be announced at the winter meetings, which end Thursday, because the Padres first would need to drop players from their 40-man roster, now at 37. The pruning would anticipate the arrival of several players – many of them pitchers – plus up to three minor leaguers from Thursday's Rule V draft.

 

But, according to Towers, those tasks would not preclude reaching an agreement soon, with the official word to come later pending physical exams.

 

"It looks more likely today," Towers said late Tuesday afternoon.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Abreu is a terrible defender. One of the worst in the league.

 

but ibanez is worse

 

they're pretty close...uzr has abreu a bit worse

 

but how many games has ibanez actually played in rf?

 

meh, RF LF, same howry

 

not really. derosa was alright in right field but we all saw how bad he looked in left. there is a learning curve

Derosa was mostly an infielder before this year. Ibanez has spent his whole career in the outfield. I'm pretty sure that he could switch between LF and RF with little to no problem defensively.

[Dallas Green]

Why is Sullivan breaking stories? I'm still waiting to hear from Bruce. When Bruce says the deal is close and I will start to get excited.

 

What if Bruce is busy trying to confirm these sources?

 

This is the 24-hour news cycle and new journalism. "Confirming" sources is an anachronism. :)

 

True, but it seems to me that Bruce will not relay any information about the Cubs and their plans, unless he gets the info straight from the horse's mouth. None of these second hand info.

 

That is not Bruce's style. However, Ken Rosenthal and Bruce Levine are pretty good at that game. These sources are often not second hand. They are people like Kenney, Hendry, etc that just want it to not be attributed to them.

 

I understand that. I merely said that Bruce wouldn't come on NSBB unless he has current info that is legit/confirm by people in the know. It just seems to me that Rosenthal and Levine get a grain of truth and expand it, where as Bruce would rather get the picture from the higher ups, and then best explain what is going on without burning any bridges.

 

Yeah, Bruce is more of a beat writer/ columnist if you will for the Cubs. He will put things he has heard into a neat package so that it doesnt sound like he is revealing anything.

 

I do know however that Levine is very connected with alot of the front office people in baseball. He gets info from clubs in exchange sometimes for info back from agents and other gm's etc.

[Dallas Green]

Oh and Redflash, I totally agreed with your original point. I was just speaking to the second hand thing. I'm sure alot of these guys do reach. It seems thought that Levine and Rosenthal's stuff usually checks out.

[BCVM22]

Derosa was mostly an infielder before this year. Ibanez has spent his whole career in the outfield. I'm pretty sure that he could switch between LF and RF with little to no problem defensively.

 

DeRo played a fairly significant amount of outfield with Texas prior to signing with the Cubs, to the tune of 85 appearances (80 starts) in RF between 2005 and 2006.

 

It's not that Ibanez is a great left fielder whom people don't think could play right - it's that he's a slow and aging player who doesn't inspire particular confidence at any spot in the outfield.

[Dallas Green]

Hey can we pull off a normal effen trade? What is it with these 2 month Roberts/Pevy soap operas?

[cubswin2009]

Hey can we pull off a normal effen trade? What is it with these 2 month Roberts/Pevy soap operas?

Rich Harden says hi.

[nilodnayr]

Abreu is a terrible defender. One of the worst in the league.

 

but ibanez is worse

 

they're pretty close...uzr has abreu a bit worse

 

but how many games has ibanez actually played in rf?

 

meh, RF LF, same howry

 

not really. derosa was alright in right field but we all saw how bad he looked in left. there is a learning curve

 

21 innings? you are basing derosa's LF prowess off of 21 innings of anecdotal observation. (btw UZR had him as completely average, but again, its 21 innings). Albert Pujols went 0 for two and a half games...true story.

 

What I'm saying is that there isn't a real difference between RF in LF in general. There are different differences within different stadiums, there are big differences between RFs in different stadiums. No one's OFs are the same, but in general, a RF and a LF aren't terribly different. Regardless, we are arguing that Abreu and Ibanez are both pretty darn bad fielders, whoever is going to be better year to year is not going to be due to talent but rather randomness, I'm confident in that.

[WrigleyField 22]

The deal is done and I have proof:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/snetsrak43/peavycubs.jpg

[BCVM22]

The deal is done and I have proof:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/snetsrak43/peavycubs.jpg

 

Not funny. :|

 

Good Photoshop though.

[The Other 15]

I understand that. I merely said that Bruce wouldn't come on NSBB unless he has current info that is legit/confirm by people in the know. It just seems to me that Rosenthal and Levine get a grain of truth and expand it, where as Bruce would rather get the picture from the higher ups, and then best explain what is going on without burning any bridges.

Please expand on how you know this to be true about Levine? Are you aware of how long Levine has worked covering baseball in Chicago? You should do a little research before making ridiculous statements like that.

[Butterscup1679666578]

lol.

 

 

Levine's not terrible, but he's far from the best source for Cubs info. I trust Mr. Miles a million times over before I trust Levine.

[17 Seconds]

Abreu is a terrible defender. One of the worst in the league.

 

but ibanez is worse

 

they're pretty close...uzr has abreu a bit worse

 

but how many games has ibanez actually played in rf?

 

meh, RF LF, same howry

 

not really. derosa was alright in right field but we all saw how bad he looked in left. there is a learning curve

 

21 innings? you are basing derosa's LF prowess off of 21 innings of anecdotal observation. (btw UZR had him as completely average, but again, its 21 innings). Albert Pujols went 0 for two and a half games...true story.

 

Another example of why people really shouldn't pay attention to defensive metrics. DeRosa himself said that he was having trouble in left field because of the way the ball comes off the bat different wnd what not.

 

Now, I'm not saying Ibanez will be like that since he has played much more outfield than DeRosa, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think there might be a bit of a learning curve and he could be slightly worse in RF since he is so used to playing left. If it was as easy as you say, I think we'd see a lot more guys bouncing from left to right and vice versa.

[17 Seconds]

But, according to Towers, those tasks would not preclude reaching an agreement soon, with the official word to come later pending physical exams.

 

So what are the chances that this deal is actually agreed upon already but we won't hear until later this week? I don't think that's the case, but this quote shows that it's very possible.

[Clem Fandango]

I understand that. I merely said that Bruce wouldn't come on NSBB unless he has current info that is legit/confirm by people in the know. It just seems to me that Rosenthal and Levine get a grain of truth and expand it, where as Bruce would rather get the picture from the higher ups, and then best explain what is going on without burning any bridges.

Please expand on how you know this to be true about Levine? Are you aware of how long Levine has worked covering baseball in Chicago? You should do a little research before making ridiculous statements like that.

 

1) For the love of Christ could you please use the "Quote" button? Bolding your quotes makes your post look sloppy and it also doesn't reference the original poster making some people, like me, curious as to who said it and forces me to fish through the pages trying to find out who you are talking to

 

2) Lots of sports journalists have been covering baseball a long time, that doesn't make them good journalists. There aren't enough grains of sand in the world to compare to the amount of rumors Levine has spread that simply either weren't true or were incorrect, and I don't even listen to the guy. I know this just by posting on this message board. Every time there's any sort of rumor a lot of the time it comes from Levine on ESPN1000, and more often than not it ends up being bogus. Sure, he's reported deals that have truth to them, but even blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. But even so, it's his job to report what he thinks is news, and a low credibility rumor will give him ratings because it will spark debate and discussion. He's doing his job well in that capacity. But to get defensive because someone gave his opinion on how he feels Levine handles rumors (and it wasn't even a nasty opinion) is a little much

[mdwilla]

The Philadelphia Phillies are involved in the multi-team talks, but according to a Phillies official, despite the team's interest in Mark DeRosa, he didn't expect the Cubs to include the versatile infielder/ outfielder. The Phillies have interest in other Cubs players, said the official, who wouldn't get more specific.

 

Meanwhile, the Cubs are laying groundwork for a backup plan if they don't land Peavy but find a taker for Marquis. Sources said Hendry met Monday night with representatives for free-agent pitcher Randy Johnson, 45, who's five wins away from 300 and seeking a one-year contract.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1323165,CST-SPT-cub10.article

[17 Seconds]

So who could the Phillies be interested in if it isn't DeRosa or Marquis?

[imb]

So who could the Phillies be interested in if it isn't DeRosa or Marquis?

 

fontenot?

 

i'm surprised we haven't heard about more teams inquiring about him.

[Rob]

So who could the Phillies be interested in if it isn't DeRosa or Marquis?

 

fontenot?

 

i'm surprised we haven't heard about more teams inquiring about him.

 

I got the impression Hendry was shooting down inquiries on him pretty quickly.