Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Jehrico]

I doubt that Ronny is a deal breaker. Besides, Towers has probably moved on to someone like Vitters over Ronny.

It could be if Theriot is a piece going to the Pads for Peavy and Hendry doesn't want Greene in return...

[JWCUB]

I doubt that Ronny is a deal breaker. Besides, Towers has probably moved on to someone like Vitters over Ronny.

It could be if Theriot is a piece going to the Pads for Peavy and Hendry doesn't want Greene in return...

 

I think the O's would take Greene.

[Sever82]

I'm really starting to get annoyed by the orioles. Sorry but basically you'd be trading Pie, Vitters, Cedeno, Marshall and another prospect for just Peavy in return, thats a lot to give up for just Peavy. I know Peavy is a Cy young candidate and i have been all for trading for him, but you're giving a lot for just him, especially when he prefers to be a Cub and Padres GM can't trade him to Atlanta since he doesn't want to go there. If the orioles want pie and cedeno for Olson, imagine what they want for roberts now. If i were the cubs i would engage the Marlins instead, hopefully they're the second third team that Tim Brown at Yahoo Sports mentioned.

[Jehrico]

I'm really starting to get annoyed by the orioles. Sorry but basically you'd be trading Pie, Vitters, Cedeno, Marshall and another prospect for just Peavy in return, thats a lot to give up for just Peavy. I know Peavy is a Cy young candidate and i have been all for trading for him, but you're giving a lot for just him, especially when he prefers to be a Cub and Padres GM can't trade him to Atlanta since he doesn't want to go there. If the orioles want pie and cedeno for Olson, imagine what they want for roberts now. If i were the cubs i would engage the Marlins instead, hopefully they're the second third team that Tim Brown at Yahoo Sports mentioned.

That's why this is taking so long. I don't know why everyone expects other GMs to act quickly to help the Cubs get Jake Peavy. It doesn't make any sense. Also, who knows if Hendry is looking at giving up all of the names you listed above at the same time for him. I doubt the package is that high.

[BigbadB]

I'm really starting to get annoyed by the orioles. Sorry but basically you'd be trading Pie, Vitters, Cedeno, Marshall and another prospect for just Peavy in return, thats a lot to give up for just Peavy. I know Peavy is a Cy young candidate and i have been all for trading for him, but you're giving a lot for just him, especially when he prefers to be a Cub and Padres GM can't trade him to Atlanta since he doesn't want to go there. If the orioles want pie and cedeno for Olson, imagine what they want for roberts now. If i were the cubs i would engage the Marlins instead, hopefully they're the second third team that Tim Brown at Yahoo Sports mentioned.

 

Here is the current value I place on the players that you list as potential pieces to acquire Peavy:

 

Pie (not good enough to crack the Cubs outfield starting line up and has no place on this team)

Cedeno (not good enough to crack the Cubs starting infield)

Marshall (currently the Cubs 6th starter)

Vitters (the only valuable blue chip prospect in the entire system, but still somewhat of an unknown on whether he can be a productive major league player)

Unknown prospect (who in the current Cubs farm system has the potential to be an impact player at the major league level?)

 

If you honestly believe the Padres are getting a steal for one of the top starters in MLB (with a long term contract attached, meaning the Cubs will control him for several years) for a guy who can't make the team, a back up infielder, a back up starter, 1 good prospect and some other unknown prospect, I'm not sure what to say.

 

I'd make that deal today, tomorrow and yesterday.

[Guest]

Regarding the Orioles' possible involvement in a trade that would send Jake Peavy to the Cubs, Perrotto says Baltimore seeks Ronny Cedeno and Felix Pie from Chicago

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

I thought the Padres wanted Ronny.

 

With Stockstill and MacPhail around, these are the type of guys the O's would love - Cedeno, Pie, Marshall, Hill, etc. Guys that they acquired when they were still with the Cubs.

[Guest]

I'm really starting to get annoyed by the orioles. Sorry but basically you'd be trading Pie, Vitters, Cedeno, Marshall and another prospect for just Peavy in return, thats a lot to give up for just Peavy. I know Peavy is a Cy young candidate and i have been all for trading for him, but you're giving a lot for just him, especially when he prefers to be a Cub and Padres GM can't trade him to Atlanta since he doesn't want to go there. If the orioles want pie and cedeno for Olson, imagine what they want for roberts now. If i were the cubs i would engage the Marlins instead, hopefully they're the second third team that Tim Brown at Yahoo Sports mentioned.

 

Here is the current value I place on the players that you list as potential pieces to acquire Peavy:

 

Pie (not good enough to crack the Cubs outfield starting line up and has no place on this team)

Cedeno (not good enough to crack the Cubs starting infield)

Marshall (currently the Cubs 6th starter)

Vitters (the only valuable blue chip prospect in the entire system, but still somewhat of an unknown on whether he can be a productive major league player)

Unknown prospect (who in the current Cubs farm system has the potential to be an impact player at the major league level?)

 

If you honestly believe the Padres are getting a steal for one of the top starters in MLB (with a long term contract attached, meaning the Cubs will control him for several years) for a guy who can't make the team, a back up infielder, a back up starter, 1 good prospect and some other unknown prospect, I'm not sure what to say.

 

I'd make that deal today, tomorrow and yesterday.

If we make the trade before the Rule 5 draft, we'd probably be able to fill at least one of those roster spots with a comparable player (I'm looking at you, Ronnie).

[Sever82]

I'm really starting to get annoyed by the orioles. Sorry but basically you'd be trading Pie, Vitters, Cedeno, Marshall and another prospect for just Peavy in return, thats a lot to give up for just Peavy. I know Peavy is a Cy young candidate and i have been all for trading for him, but you're giving a lot for just him, especially when he prefers to be a Cub and Padres GM can't trade him to Atlanta since he doesn't want to go there. If the orioles want pie and cedeno for Olson, imagine what they want for roberts now. If i were the cubs i would engage the Marlins instead, hopefully they're the second third team that Tim Brown at Yahoo Sports mentioned.

That's why this is taking so long. I don't know why everyone expects other GMs to act quickly to help the Cubs get Jake Peavy. It doesn't make any sense. Also, who knows if Hendry is looking at giving up all of the names you listed above at the same time for him. I doubt the package is that high.

 

The one thing that makes me wonder if the Package is this is because the Orioles want Pie and Cedeno for Olson, which is a player the padres want. The Padres want pitching which is why Marshal is there, then its rumored they asked for Vitters. The other prospect is because they have talked about a five for one deal and plus i dont feel a package of Vitters, Marshal and Olson would get peavy alone which is basically what you're doing. I'd rather replace Cedeno with Marquis. I feel Marquis is the key to getting peavy because if we dont trade marquis than we dont have the room to fit in peavy. Its going to be annoying if these rumors drag into February and March like the roberts deal did. Like i said, we should just ignore baltimore and look for another partner because baltimore continues to act as if all their players are future HOFs.

[shnsajax]

New from Tim Brown on Yahoo.

 

Cubs remain in hunt for Peavy

 

Despite reports to the contrary, the Cubs remain engaged in talks to acquire Jake Peavy from the Padres.

Indeed, a Padres source said the club had uncovered two teams which could provide the players to complete a trade. The Orioles are believed to be one.

Negotiations are expected to continue into next week’s winter meetings.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-hotstovenotes120308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

I wonder who that other team could be?

 

Can't be any worse than the O's.

[Backtobanks]

I'm really starting to get annoyed by the orioles. Sorry but basically you'd be trading Pie, Vitters, Cedeno, Marshall and another prospect for just Peavy in return, thats a lot to give up for just Peavy. I know Peavy is a Cy young candidate and i have been all for trading for him, but you're giving a lot for just him, especially when he prefers to be a Cub and Padres GM can't trade him to Atlanta since he doesn't want to go there. If the orioles want pie and cedeno for Olson, imagine what they want for roberts now. If i were the cubs i would engage the Marlins instead, hopefully they're the second third team that Tim Brown at Yahoo Sports mentioned.

 

I've tried to be patient and have listened to all of the arguments defending MacPhail, but at some point we need to tell him to stick it. I don't mind trading some of these players to the O's, but MacPhail acts like we need to give him 2-3 starting players for Garrett Olsen. I understand Olsen helps in the Peavy deal, but these rumors are ridiculous. The rumor about AM asking for Headley and Greene in the deal is so absurd, it has to be true.

[UMFan83]

Gotta love going back to OH.com....

 

They are arguing whether Pie, Cedeno and Marshall is enough for Scott and Olsen

[mdwilla]

My bet on the third team is the Giants and Sanchez being one of the players headed to San Diego. The Giants could bite on Marquis or Lee.

[cubsfan26]

I'm fine with giving up Pie and Cedeno to get Olson if it means were getting Peavy. But I don't really want much to do with Luke Scott, the guy is over 30 and a platoon player, we can do better for RF. I'd take him over what we have right now, but I don't wanna give up anything of good value to get him.

[davearm2]

Gotta love going back to OH.com....

 

They are arguing whether Pie, Cedeno and Marshall is enough for Scott and Olsen

I think most objective observers would say that's a reasonable discussion to have.

 

Marshall is a decent backend starter but great in a swing role.

 

Scott is a decent corner OF but great in a platoon role.

 

Pie and Olson are also sort of pitcher/hitter mirror images inasmuch as both had good minor league numbers (Olson moreso) and were highly rated prospects (Pie moreso), but have stunk in the bigleagues so far (about equally).

 

And Cedeno is a starting SS only in the most dismal circumstances. He's become Omar Infante, throw-in grade.

[davearm2]

I'm fine with giving up Pie and Cedeno to get Olson if it means were getting Peavy. But I don't really want much to do with Luke Scott, the guy is over 30 and a platoon player, we can do better for RF. I'd take him over what we have right now, but I don't wanna give up anything of good value to get him.

A big part of Scott's value would be in his low cost.

 

Conceivably for the price of two or three years of Ibanez or Abreu, the Cubs could have two or three years of both Scott and Wood.

 

(Not that Hendry would necessarily use the money saved in RF on Wood, but it'd be one of several options.)

[UMFan83]

Gotta love going back to OH.com....

 

They are arguing whether Pie, Cedeno and Marshall is enough for Scott and Olsen

I think most objective observers would say that's a reasonable discussion to have.

 

Marshall is a decent backend starter but great in a swing role.

 

Scott is a decent corner OF but great in a platoon role.

 

Pie and Olson are also sort of pitcher/hitter mirror images inasmuch as both had good minor league numbers (Olson moreso) and were highly rated prospects (Pie moreso), but have stunk in the bigleagues so far (about equally).

 

And Cedeno is a starting SS only in the most dismal circumstances. He's become Omar Infante, throw-in grade.

 

Yeah so its even. We shouldn't have to throw in more than that.

 

I personally think Marshall is better as a 4/5 starter than a swing guy.

[UK1679666180]

This is what Callis had to say about it:

 

Oh, I think the Braves were more than willing to pay for Peavy. Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez, Jeff Locke and Charlie Morton would have been a fair price to pay. I think the Padres screwed up and will wind up taking a lesser deal. Rumors up here in Chicago are that the Cubs might trade Felix Pie for Garrett Olson and package something like Josh Vitters, Sean Marshall, Olson and a fourth player for Peavy.

 

Mike (San Diego): Is "Josh Vitters, Sean Marshall, Olson and a fourth player" a bad deal for Peavy?

 

Jim Callis: (2:26 PM ET ) It's not as good as what the Braves offered. I really like Vitters, but he hasn't proven anything in full-season ball yet. Marshall and Olson are No. 4 or 5 starters. And that fourth player isn't going to be a superstar.

 

Ana (Chicago): Were you shocked like I that the Cubs traded Ceda for Gregg? I really wonder if the Marlins would have even tendered Gregg had they not traded him, knowing he will make about 6 million in arb. Should I assume the Cubs are not all that impressed with Mr Ceda?

 

Jim Callis: (2:24 PM ET ) I was surprised. The Cubs did like Ceda, and enough teams asked about him that I thought he could have brought more in return. Also, with the Marlins looking to dump arb-eligibles, I thought they might have taken less.

 

Jay (Burke, VA): I was reading today that the O's are looking for Pie and Cedeno in return if they take part in the deal. Isn't that too much for Olson?

 

Jim Callis: (2:59 PM ET ) Yeah, would be for my tastes.

[anabiono]

man, the orioles are freaking impossible

[Tryptamine]

If this Peavy deal goes down like the Roberts deal, I don't want the Cubs to even consider dealing with the Orioles again. Every time the Orioles are involved things seem to take three quarters of an off season. There are other needs that should be addressed before all the good free agents are gone.

[Derwood]

My bet on the third team is the Giants and Sanchez being one of the players headed to San Diego. The Giants could bite on Marquis or Lee.

 

west coast not-withstanding, I can't imagine Lee lifting his NTC to go to that crap team

[CubinNY]

My bet on the third team is the Giants and Sanchez being one of the players headed to San Diego. The Giants could bite on Marquis or Lee.

 

west coast not-withstanding, I can't imagine Lee lifting his NTC to go to that crap team

He lives in the bay area.

[Derwood]

My bet on the third team is the Giants and Sanchez being one of the players headed to San Diego. The Giants could bite on Marquis or Lee.

 

west coast not-withstanding, I can't imagine Lee lifting his NTC to go to that crap team

He lives in the bay area.

 

i know this. I still don't think he'll trade sleeping in his own bed for playing for a last place team

[BigbadB]

My bet on the third team is the Giants and Sanchez being one of the players headed to San Diego. The Giants could bite on Marquis or Lee.

 

west coast not-withstanding, I can't imagine Lee lifting his NTC to go to that crap team

He lives in the bay area.

 

i know this. I still don't think he'll trade sleeping in his own bed for playing for a last place team

 

They will be better than the Padres.

[CP_414]

The Giants might win that division next year...if they can add one big time free agent as they have been rumored to be after.

 

SD will be a mess. Colorado will probably go backwards minus Holliday. The Dodgers were sub .500 before they got Manny and they might lose him, Furcal, and Lowe. I huess Arizona will be favored, but they aren't that impressive.

[cubsfan26]

The Giants might win that division next year...if they can add one big time free agent as they have been rumored to be after.

 

SD will be a mess. Colorado will probably go backwards minus Holliday. The Dodgers were sub .500 before they got Manny and they might lose him, Furcal, and Lowe. I huess Arizona will be favored, but they aren't that impressive.

 

 

 

The Giants still have to improve their offense alot before they would have a chance at winning the division. Renteria would help,but he's not nearly enough. Remember this team has a middle of the order of Randy Winn, Bengie Molina and Aaron Rowand. If they can add a big bat with Renteria and another SP then it might be possible.