Steve Stone: D-Lee will be traded.

[ChiCubsFan]

Let me start with this very telling quote:

The only thing "on the house" is the roof, Harry. - Steve Stone

 

Therin lies the difference between the two's personalities because I'm sure Harry never had a problem getting things on the house.

 

Good ole Stoney, last year at this time he had all his perrotheads that prowl in these message boards convinced that Arizona was simply on a different plateau than the helpless Cubs. They had too much talent for the Cubs, thus the sweep. Nowhere in there was noticed that one team had a couple of key hits and the other had none.

 

Now the new party line is that the Cubs are too right handed and thus they become beatable by good RH pitching. Wow, stunning, that good RH pitching can beat the Cubs in a short series. They better overhaul the entire organization because no one else in baseball is beatable against good RH pitching!

 

I wonder how a team with a offense that outscored everyone in their league (and most of their league by a large margin) and pitching to be good enough to be a very close second in era, have so much trouble against RH pitching. Must have faced all lefties during the reg season.

 

However, that is not to say that Cubs are simply snakebit. There are issues and they have little to do with "too RH" and more to do with performance. I'll take a RH combo of Lee, Aram, Soto (funny how no one is calling him out) and Soriano as long as they perform to their levels. Even remotely close to their levels would do.

 

I don't think people are suggesting to trade Lee just to trade him, or that trading him is necessary to winning a damn playoff game. Most people would just like to see him traded because one of the best 1B in the league just happens to be a FA. Not only is he better, but he's younger too.

 

I was commenting on Stones quote which said nothing of adding Teixeria.

 

Two words for anyone even remotely hopeful that Teix is somehow in the Cubs plans - Scott Boras.

 

I have issues with Lee, have had them long before it was popular to express them, but he isn't a problem. He just isn't a big bat in the heart of the order. Placing Rammy at 3 and moving Lee to 5 to protect the mythical prototypical LH bat at #4 would be great. Problem is, that guy is not available. Now I duck and pray to avoid the eventual "what about Adam Dunn?"

 

Alright, I gotcha. Fair enough. I fully expect Lee to be our starting 1B next year and that's okay with me. We do need one big bat though. And honestly, I don't care if he hits lefty, righty, or switch hits as long as he hits. If we could also get Furcal I would just be absolutely giddy.

 

Furcal

DeRosa

Ramirez

Big Bat (Bradley, Dunn, Beltran, ???)

Lee

Soriano

Soto

Fukudome

 

That lineup would make this year's look like nothing. It's just a dream, though. There's no way there's enough money in the budget to do that, unless Mark Cuban is named the owner of the Cubs in the next month.

[Guest]

I think what we may not know is that Lee is asking for a trade to be closer to his daughter who is being treated in LA I believe. Derrek is from Sacramento and still lived here in the offseason I believe. The A's or Giants would probably interest him because they also play a lot of games on the west coast.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

When was the last time Hendry traded away a player to open up a hole so he could replace it? When was the last time that happened when the player wasn't disgruntled?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Considering the Jason Giambi era for the Yankees is at an end, I wonder what hed be worth to them.

 

What about a Lee for Cano package? Cano or Derosa could be moved to 1B and the other plays 2B(This could also create some opportunities for Hoffpauir to get playing time in RF/1B), or we could sign Texiera (highly unlikely), or make a trade for a 1B Overbay, Huff? I also would wonder if there is any truth to the idea of picking up Harden's option and then trading him what about a Harden for Cano package?

 

We already have a couple second basemen who are better than Cano. He's over hyped by the NY media just like Jeter has been forever. I want nothing to do with him. I don't know that there is anything the Yankees have I'd be interested in other than their young arms. Anybody with better MiL knowledge have suggestions?

 

They have planty Id be interested in, but probably nothing theyd part with.

[rawaction]

When was the last time Hendry traded away a player to open up a hole so he could replace it? When was the last time that happened when the player wasn't disgruntled?

 

Sammy Sosa, Michael Barrett, Jacque Jones all are answers to your 1st question. They were all disgruntled though.

[soapy]

what about adam dunn

 

never heard of him.

[erik316wttn]

Let me start with this very telling quote:

The only thing "on the house" is the roof, Harry. - Steve Stone

 

Therin lies the difference between the two's personalities because I'm sure Harry never had a problem getting things on the house.

 

Good ole Stoney, last year at this time he had all his perrotheads that prowl in these message boards convinced that Arizona was simply on a different plateau than the helpless Cubs. They had too much talent for the Cubs, thus the sweep. Nowhere in there was noticed that one team had a couple of key hits and the other had none.

 

Now the new party line is that the Cubs are too right handed and thus they become beatable by good RH pitching. Wow, stunning, that good RH pitching can beat the Cubs in a short series. They better overhaul the entire organization because no one else in baseball is beatable against good RH pitching!

 

I wonder how a team with a offense that outscored everyone in their league (and most of their league by a large margin) and pitching to be good enough to be a very close second in era, have so much trouble against RH pitching. Must have faced all lefties during the reg season.

 

However, that is not to say that Cubs are simply snakebit. There are issues and they have little to do with "too RH" and more to do with performance. I'll take a RH combo of Lee, Aram, Soto (funny how no one is calling him out) and Soriano as long as they perform to their levels. Even remotely close to their levels would do.

 

I don't think people are suggesting to trade Lee just to trade him, or that trading him is necessary to winning a damn playoff game. Most people would just like to see him traded because one of the best 1B in the league just happens to be a FA. Not only is he better, but he's younger too.

 

I was commenting on Stones quote which said nothing of adding Teixeria.

 

Two words for anyone even remotely hopeful that Teix is somehow in the Cubs plans - Scott Boras.

 

Don't the Cubs have a good working relationship with Scott Boras?

[Old Style]

When was the last time Hendry traded away a player to open up a hole so he could replace it? When was the last time that happened when the player wasn't disgruntled?

So you're saying that Lee is gruntled?

[gflore34]

Whether Lee is disgruntled or not is immaterial, if moving him means Mark Teixeira becomes a Cub - so long Derek Lee, thanks for years.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Let me start with this very telling quote:

The only thing "on the house" is the roof, Harry. - Steve Stone

 

Therin lies the difference between the two's personalities because I'm sure Harry never had a problem getting things on the house.

 

Good ole Stoney, last year at this time he had all his perrotheads that prowl in these message boards convinced that Arizona was simply on a different plateau than the helpless Cubs. They had too much talent for the Cubs, thus the sweep. Nowhere in there was noticed that one team had a couple of key hits and the other had none.

 

Now the new party line is that the Cubs are too right handed and thus they become beatable by good RH pitching. Wow, stunning, that good RH pitching can beat the Cubs in a short series. They better overhaul the entire organization because no one else in baseball is beatable against good RH pitching!

 

I wonder how a team with a offense that outscored everyone in their league (and most of their league by a large margin) and pitching to be good enough to be a very close second in era, have so much trouble against RH pitching. Must have faced all lefties during the reg season.

 

However, that is not to say that Cubs are simply snakebit. There are issues and they have little to do with "too RH" and more to do with performance. I'll take a RH combo of Lee, Aram, Soto (funny how no one is calling him out) and Soriano as long as they perform to their levels. Even remotely close to their levels would do.

 

I don't think people are suggesting to trade Lee just to trade him, or that trading him is necessary to winning a damn playoff game. Most people would just like to see him traded because one of the best 1B in the league just happens to be a FA. Not only is he better, but he's younger too.

 

I was commenting on Stones quote which said nothing of adding Teixeria.

 

Two words for anyone even remotely hopeful that Teix is somehow in the Cubs plans - Scott Boras.

 

Don't the Cubs have a good working relationship with Scott Boras?

 

Any team with a large payroll can have a good working relationship with Boras.

[jersey cubs fan]

When was the last time Hendry traded away a player to open up a hole so he could replace it? When was the last time that happened when the player wasn't disgruntled?

 

Sammy Sosa, Michael Barrett, Jacque Jones all are answers to your 1st question. They were all disgruntled though.

 

I don't think Barrett was disgruntled, he loved being here. It was Lou that wanted him gone. And while the timing was slightly different, he traded Corey right after trading for Pierre, which would be similar to acquiring another 1B and then dealing Lee.

 

Also, Hendry traded away Damian Miller for Barrett, essentially opening a hole and closing it at the same time (same with Choi/Lee for that matter). He also dealt away the starting catcher in 2002 before he had any realistic catching solution ready to replace. And the Nomar trade was a multi-team swap of SS.

 

Anyways, I wouldn't say the "open one hole only to replace it" is hardly the issue here. The question is whether they really feel the need to upgrade 1B in the first place, whether they can get him to accept a deal and get something decent in return, and whether they think they can get Tex.

Edited October 8, 2008 by jersey cubs fan

[jersey cubs fan]

Whether Lee is disgruntled or not is immaterial, if moving him means Mark Teixeira becomes a Cub - so long Derek Lee, thanks for years.

 

It is not immaterial, because Lee can determine whether he accepts a trade.

[Cynosure]

Whether Lee is disgruntled or not is immaterial, if moving him means Mark Teixeira becomes a Cub - so long Derek Lee, thanks for 1 year.

 

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[gflore34]

Whether Lee is disgruntled or not is immaterial, if moving him means Mark Teixeira becomes a Cub - so long Derek Lee, thanks for the years.

 

It is not immaterial, because Lee can determine whether he accepts a trade.

 

You are correct, forgot about the NTC.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Whether Lee is disgruntled or not is immaterial, if moving him means Mark Teixeira becomes a Cub - so long Derek Lee, thanks for 1 year.

 

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The funny thing is had Lee not had that insane 2005, nobody would have been dissapointed with him this year, as this years stats are more along the lines of his career numbers than 2005. I know, he was in less hitter friendly parks, but I cant see that having that drastic of an effect as 2005.

[Tracer Bullet]

Whether Lee is disgruntled or not is immaterial, if moving him means Mark Teixeira becomes a Cub - so long Derek Lee, thanks for 1 year.

 

FIXED

 

The funny thing is had Lee not had that insane 2005, nobody would have been dissapointed with him this year, as this years stats are more along the lines of his career numbers than 2005. I know, he was in less hitter friendly parks, but I cant see that having that drastic of an effect as 2005.

 

He also wouldn't have received the contract he signed in '06, which included a full NTC (or, at least, I'd hope not). So he'd be a lot easier to trade to open a spot for a better hitting 1B.

[rchap24]

Could Lee be sent to Baltimore once they lose out on Tex possibly? A deal involving Lee and Roberts as they main pieces would be interesting.....

 

That would be amazing if we could do that. That seriously would be my dream scenario. By dream I mean the most realistic best scenario we can do.

[Guest]

I think what we may not know is that Lee is asking for a trade to be closer to his daughter who is being treated in LA I believe. Derrek is from Sacramento and still lived here in the offseason I believe. The A's or Giants would probably interest him because they also play a lot of games on the west coast.

 

Good call:

 

Paul Sullivan[/url]"]Are any surprise departures in the offing?

 

Lee has a no-trade clause but could be asked to lift it if he's dealt to a team in California for pitching help. Lee lives in Sacramento, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.

[Warren Brusstar]

NTC

 

It is forever amusing to me that people post "NTC" as if that is a conclusive end to the argument. Players with no-trade clauses have been traded before and will be traded again.

 

To be sure, the Cubs would need Lee's approval but that's true of every other player who has had a NTC and was nevertheless traded.

 

The fact that he has a no-trade clause is an impediment to trading him, but that doesn't mean it could not possibly happen.

[Warren Brusstar]

Lee + Mitch Atkins + cash for Cain?

 

I'd do it.

 

 

LOL. Of course you would do it. The rumor du jour is Cain for Prince Fielder AND J.J. Hardy. If the Cubs offered a declining Lee and Mitch Atkins, the "cash" would have to be $30 million for the Giants not to laugh in Hendry's face.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think what we may not know is that Lee is asking for a trade to be closer to his daughter who is being treated in LA I believe. Derrek is from Sacramento and still lived here in the offseason I believe. The A's or Giants would probably interest him because they also play a lot of games on the west coast.

 

Good call:

 

Paul Sullivan[/url]"]Are any surprise departures in the offing?

 

Lee has a no-trade clause but could be asked to lift it if he's dealt to a team in California for pitching help. Lee lives in Sacramento, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.

 

I cant see Oakland having much interest in Lee. Billy Beane is more of a buy low type of GM who wouldnt want a guy in the last year of his contract. but The Giants might. The question is, do they have anything wed want, other than the untouchable twins Cain and Lincecum. Fred Lewis still intrigues me as a leadoff hitter if Soriano would get over his not being able to hit at the heart of the lineup crap, but Id want more than just Lewis for Lee.

[jersey cubs fan]

NTC

 

It is forever amusing to me that people post "NTC" as if that is a conclusive end to the argument. Players with no-trade clauses have been traded before and will be traded again.

 

To be sure, the Cubs would need Lee's approval but that's true of every other player who has had a NTC and was nevertheless traded.

 

The fact that he has a no-trade clause is an impediment to trading him, but that doesn't mean it could not possibly happen.

 

I don't think people are saying it means it cannot happen. But some are saying things like, "who cares what Lee thinks, if we can get Tex, byebye."

[Little Slide Rooter]

NTC

 

It is forever amusing to me that people post "NTC" as if that is a conclusive end to the argument. Players with no-trade clauses have been traded before and will be traded again.

 

To be sure, the Cubs would need Lee's approval but that's true of every other player who has had a NTC and was nevertheless traded.

 

The fact that he has a no-trade clause is an impediment to trading him, but that doesn't mean it could not possibly happen.

 

I don't think people are saying it means it cannot happen. But some are saying things like, "who cares what Lee thinks, if we can get Tex, byebye."

 

Basically, it means he wont take trades to crap teams like Baltimore or Toronto.

[Outshined_One]

I cant see Oakland having much interest in Lee. Billy Beane is more of a buy low type of GM who wouldnt want a guy in the last year of his contract. but The Giants might. The question is, do they have anything wed want, other than the untouchable twins Cain and Lincecum. Fred Lewis still intrigues me as a leadoff hitter if Soriano would get over his not being able to hit at the heart of the lineup crap, but Id want more than just Lewis for Lee.

 

Their farm system is has some very nice talent at the lower levels. While Sullivan makes it sound like Lee would be traded for major league-caliber pitching, there's something to be said for re-stocking the farm system. The Giants have some really nice pitching prospects who could be netted in a trade involving Lee, such as Tim Alderson and Kevin Pucetas. I'd have no problem with getting that kind of value out of Derrek Lee.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I cant see Oakland having much interest in Lee. Billy Beane is more of a buy low type of GM who wouldnt want a guy in the last year of his contract. but The Giants might. The question is, do they have anything wed want, other than the untouchable twins Cain and Lincecum. Fred Lewis still intrigues me as a leadoff hitter if Soriano would get over his not being able to hit at the heart of the lineup crap, but Id want more than just Lewis for Lee.

 

Their farm system is has some very nice talent at the lower levels. While Sullivan makes it sound like Lee would be traded for major league-caliber pitching, there's something to be said for re-stocking the farm system. The Giants have some really nice pitching prospects who could be netted in a trade involving Lee, such as Tim Alderson and Kevin Pucetas. I'd have no problem with getting that kind of value out of Derrek Lee.

 

Id take Fred Lewis+a nice pitching prospect. The question is, would the Giants, who still have some rebuilding to do be willing to do it?