Steve Stone: D-Lee will be traded.

[Yanksfan1523]

I sincerely don't see the Yankees going insane on offers to Tex. Definitely not 8-10 years crazy and not 20 per crazy.

 

I wouldn't mind if the Yankees passed on Tex and got involved in the DLee trade talks though.

Edited October 16, 2008 by Yanksfan1523

[anabiono]

I sincerely don't see the Yankees going insane on offers to Tex. Definitely not 8-10 years crazy and not 20 per crazy.

 

I wouldn't mind if we passed on Tex and got involved in the DLee trade talks though.

 

who else do we get to play first though?

[Yanksfan1523]

I sincerely don't see the Yankees going insane on offers to Tex. Definitely not 8-10 years crazy and not 20 per crazy.

 

I wouldn't mind if we passed on Tex and got involved in the DLee trade talks though.

 

who else do we get to play first though?

 

The majority of the thread has been to get rid of DLee so the Cubs have a shot at signing Tex. So, I didn't think you needed a 1B back.

[anabiono]

I sincerely don't see the Yankees going insane on offers to Tex. Definitely not 8-10 years crazy and not 20 per crazy.

 

I wouldn't mind if we passed on Tex and got involved in the DLee trade talks though.

 

who else do we get to play first though?

 

The majority of the thread has been to get rid of DLee so the Cubs have a shot at signing Tex. So, I didn't think you needed a 1B back.

 

that's all i was going off there

[Ding Dong Johnson]

you'd think the Yanksfan part of the screen name would have given it away

[Yanksfan1523]

I sincerely don't see the Yankees going insane on offers to Tex. Definitely not 8-10 years crazy and not 20 per crazy.

 

I wouldn't mind if we passed on Tex and got involved in the DLee trade talks though.

 

who else do we get to play first though?

 

The majority of the thread has been to get rid of DLee so the Cubs have a shot at signing Tex. So, I didn't think you needed a 1B back.

 

that's all i was going off there

 

Sorry, I meant if the Yankees passed on Tex and got involved in the DLee trade talks. I just edited my post.

[ChiCubsFan]

If the Cubs can somehow upgrade Lee to Teixera and get a nice pitcher from the Giants on top of it, this former Hendry hater will proclaim the man a genius. Would almost start getting my hopes up again.

 

Don't do it to yourself.

[badnews]

Why do we need anyone to replace Derrek Lee? Honestly? Derrek Lee sucks. Salary dump is enough reason to get rid of him. Plus his questionable "team leader" abilities which only seem to account for whining about fans booing and bitching that the team didn't go after Torii Hunter.

 

Since May 1st he posted a .760 OPS, how hard is that to replace? Nick Punto practically had the same OPS in that time. I don't even think you need any kind of back-up plan at all.

[EnduringFaith]

so much what have you done for my lately... D Lee is a solid player and will be for the next 2-3 years.

 

Wait, you want to get rid of D Lee in a salary dump deal? You do wanna return to the playoffs next year right? Stop with the crazy.

[17 Seconds]

You do wanna return to the playoffs next year right?

 

Offensively Derrek Lee did pretty much nothing to help the Cubs reach the playoffs last year. The Cubs could have put pretty much any first baseman in baseball at first last year and the Cubs still would have made the playoffs easily. His defense is nice, but an .823 OPS as a first baseman just doesn't cut it. I'm not saying we should dump him just for salary reasons, but I would not mind trading him at all. If he hits like he did in the last 5 months of last season he's going to be hurting the team.

 

Oh, and Derrek Lee was not a "solid player" for the last 5 months of last season so there is no reason to think he'll get better and not worse over the next couple of years. He was terrible.

[EnduringFaith]

I still see a .900 OPS player that plays gold glove caliber defense. Players have down years. At the minimum I see him having a .850 OPS next year. You just dont dump a player like this in a salary dump when you are contending.

 

The only way I'd even consider it is if we knew we would win the Tex sweepstakes. Who would play 1st? Don't tell me Hoffpower.

 

I still have alot of faith in Mr. Lee

[17 Seconds]

I still see a .900 OPS player that plays gold glove caliber defense. Players have down years. At the minimum I see him having a .850 OPS next year. You just dont dump a player like this in a salary dump when you are contending.

 

The only way I'd even consider it is if we knew we would win the Tex sweepstakes. Who would play 1st? Don't tell me Hoffpower.

 

I still have alot of faith in Mr. Lee

 

I'm not saying we should just dump him, but I'd be open to trading him.

 

Where is this .900 OPS hitter you see? I tghink you're giving Lee way too much credit. I don't think that was a "down year". He was not even remotely close to being the same hitter. He was a complete mess. His GB% was way up and none of his peripherals look good. It's not like he had some bad slumps or hit into bad luck, he was just flat out awful for 5 months of the season. At this point I'd say that an .850 OPS would be a pleasent surprise. How can you say you expect a minimum of an .850 OPS when he had an .823 OPS this season and a .759 OPS after May 1?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I still see a .900 OPS player that plays gold glove caliber defense. Players have down years. At the minimum I see him having a .850 OPS next year. You just dont dump a player like this in a salary dump when you are contending.

 

The only way I'd even consider it is if we knew we would win the Tex sweepstakes. Who would play 1st? Don't tell me Hoffpower.

 

I still have alot of faith in Mr. Lee

 

I'm not saying we should just dump him, but I'd be open to trading him.

 

Where is this .900 OPS hitter you see? I tghink you're giving Lee way too much credit. I don't think that was a "down year". He was not even remotely close to being the same hitter. He was a complete mess. His GB% was way up and none of his peripherals look good. It's not like he had some bad slumps or hit into bad luck, he was just flat out awful for 5 months of the season. At this point I'd say that an .850 OPS would be a pleasent surprise. How can you say you expect a minimum of an .850 OPS when he had an .823 OPS this season and a .759 OPS after May 1?

 

His GB% hardly skyrocketed, it went up less than 4%. In fact, as a whole Lee's batted balls were probably about just as good as last year, without the lucky BABIP.

 

That said, I don't think it's wise to bank on an .850 OPS, but it shouldn't surprise anyone at all if he's in the .850-.900 range.

[Mephistopheles]

4 percent is a lot when the stanrdard deviation is only 2 percent.

[nilodnayr]

4 percent is a lot when the stanrdard deviation is only 2 percent.

 

 

Actually its a 9% increase, right Meph? Shouldn't dividing percentages be PARAMOUNT?

[nilodnayr]

4 percent is a lot when the stanrdard deviation is only 2 percent.

 

 

Actually its a 9% increase, right Meph? Shouldn't dividing percentages be PARAMOUNT?

 

And that 2% doesn't pass the smell test to me.

 

Looking at the 147 qualifiers in 2008, I got a standard deviation of 6.4%. Expanding the sample out to anyone with 150 PAs (387 in the sample), I got a standard deviation of 6.9%.

 

Where do you get 2% from?

[illiniguy]

Isn't Saltalamcchia available? I would love to get him and let him play some first base for us next year. That way you don't even have to get rid of Lee, just give he and Soto more days off by using Salty.

[Guest]

I think Salty will be with the Red Sox next season.

[illiniguy]

I think Salty will be with the Red Sox next season.

Yeah that figures. They have done a pretty good job lately of preparing for when their stars get too old. They always seem to have a plan in place.

[mhuber92211]

The liklihood of Texeria even being available for other teams to negoiate with is very slim. I very much doubt that the Angels would let it get that far from the 15 day exclusive window.

 

If the Yankees are inthe market for DLee then there is some value there. Replace Lee's offense with Vald in right and get a lesser 1B ala a Mike Jacobs type. This way you get the option of a LH bat and a LH first baseman.

[RedFlash]

The liklihood of Texeria even being available for other teams to negoiate with is very slim. I very much doubt that the Angels would let it get that far from the 15 day exclusive window.

 

If the Yankees are inthe market for DLee then there is some value there. Replace Lee's offense with Vald in right and get a lesser 1B ala a Mike Jacobs type. This way you get the option of a LH bat and a LH first baseman.

 

You do know that despite the homeruns, Mike Jacobs is a pretty crappy player as evidence of his career .262/.318/.498. So no thank you on Jacobs.

[big_shooter17]

The liklihood of Texeria even being available for other teams to negoiate with is very slim. I very much doubt that the Angels would let it get that far from the 15 day exclusive window.

 

If the Yankees are inthe market for DLee then there is some value there. Replace Lee's offense with Vald in right and get a lesser 1B ala a Mike Jacobs type. This way you get the option of a LH bat and a LH first baseman.

 

You do know that despite the homeruns, Mike Jacobs is a pretty crappy player as evidence of his career .262/.318/.498. So no thank you on Jacobs.

 

You do know that Jacobs through 4 seasons (at a younger age also) has better numbers than Lee had at that point. Jacobs career OPS+ is the same as what Lee posted last year and he is a player on the rise while D-Lee is beginning to show that his career is certainly in decline. Also, Jacobs doesn't GIDP nearly as much. We also need to get more left handed, he's a possible answer.

[jersey cubs fan]

The liklihood of Texeria even being available for other teams to negoiate with is very slim. I very much doubt that the Angels would let it get that far from the 15 day exclusive window.

 

If the Yankees are inthe market for DLee then there is some value there. Replace Lee's offense with Vald in right and get a lesser 1B ala a Mike Jacobs type. This way you get the option of a LH bat and a LH first baseman.

 

You do know that despite the homeruns, Mike Jacobs is a pretty crappy player as evidence of his career .262/.318/.498. So no thank you on Jacobs.

 

You do know that Jacobs through 4 seasons (at a younger age also) has better numbers than Lee had at that point. Jacobs career OPS+ is the same as what Lee posted last year and he is a player on the rise while D-Lee is beginning to show that his career is certainly in decline. Also, Jacobs doesn't GIDP nearly as much. We also need to get more left handed, he's a possible answer.

 

He's got a career OBP of .318 and he turns 28 in less than 2 weeks. He is not "on the rise". When DLee was 25, 26 and 27 he had an OPS+ of 112, 131 and 131. Jacobs has been 106, 100 and 111. And I would say that Lee's 550 PA age 24 season was more impressive than Jacobs 112 PA season at the same age.

 

He's a bad option, the Cubs can't afford to lock in decreased OBP at any position.

[mhuber92211]

Hence the Mike Jacobs "TYPE" player. In other words a younger, left handed 1B bat that might not have the level of production Lee had a couple of years ago but a solid .280/.350/.450 line. That player is out there and can be had if Lee is dealt. There are plenty of that player. Andy LaRoche, Billy Butler et. all

[Rob]

Hence the Mike Jacobs "TYPE" player. In other words a younger, left handed 1B bat that might not have the level of production Lee had a couple of years ago but a solid .280/.350/.450 line. That player is out there and can be had if Lee is dealt. There are plenty of that player. Andy LaRoche, Billy Butler et. all

 

Andy LaRoche bats right-handed and plays 3B.

 

Butler bats right-handed and is abysmal defensively... though he should end up being a significantly better hitter than that.