Jake Peavy: Available.

[CubinNY]

This is from the Atlanta Journal Constitution's David O'Brien

Folks, barring some surprising late push from a team that simply overwhelms the Padres with a new offer, it’s going to be the Braves or Cubs who land the 2007 Cy Young Award winner. And since the few other teams Peavy would agree to be traded to seemingly don’t have the package of prospects that they are willing to part with and would satisfy what Padres GM Kevin Towers is looking for, I’m fairly certain it’ll be the Braves or Cubs.

 

And since the various possible offers from the Cubs that have been reported thus far seem to fall short of the Braves’ likely offer of Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez or Jordan Schafer, and one or two pitching prospects from a group that might include Charlie Morton, Jo-Jo Reyes, or one of the younger guys (not named Hanson), I’m still of the belief that the Braves are favored over the Cubs to get Peavy.

 

Not much new to report. The guy did say that the Braves were getting antsy b/c they want to move ahead in their plans. If they get impatient for this to happen they're stupid.

[Electron Blue]

This is from the Atlanta Journal Constitution's David O'Brien

Folks, barring some surprising late push from a team that simply overwhelms the Padres with a new offer, it’s going to be the Braves or Cubs who land the 2007 Cy Young Award winner. And since the few other teams Peavy would agree to be traded to seemingly don’t have the package of prospects that they are willing to part with and would satisfy what Padres GM Kevin Towers is looking for, I’m fairly certain it’ll be the Braves or Cubs.

 

And since the various possible offers from the Cubs that have been reported thus far seem to fall short of the Braves’ likely offer of Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez or Jordan Schafer, and one or two pitching prospects from a group that might include Charlie Morton, Jo-Jo Reyes, or one of the younger guys (not named Hanson), I’m still of the belief that the Braves are favored over the Cubs to get Peavy.

 

Not much new to report. The guy did say that the Braves were getting antsy b/c they want to move ahead in their plans. If they get impatient for this to happen they're stupid.

 

already posted, only about 10 posts ago.

 

I really am losing confidence that Peavy ends up here...

[JeffH]

What do you expect when you have one of the worst amateur player procurement and development organizations in baseball?

[CubinNY]

This is from the Atlanta Journal Constitution's David O'Brien

Folks, barring some surprising late push from a team that simply overwhelms the Padres with a new offer, it’s going to be the Braves or Cubs who land the 2007 Cy Young Award winner. And since the few other teams Peavy would agree to be traded to seemingly don’t have the package of prospects that they are willing to part with and would satisfy what Padres GM Kevin Towers is looking for, I’m fairly certain it’ll be the Braves or Cubs.

 

And since the various possible offers from the Cubs that have been reported thus far seem to fall short of the Braves’ likely offer of Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez or Jordan Schafer, and one or two pitching prospects from a group that might include Charlie Morton, Jo-Jo Reyes, or one of the younger guys (not named Hanson), I’m still of the belief that the Braves are favored over the Cubs to get Peavy.

 

Not much new to report. The guy did say that the Braves were getting antsy b/c they want to move ahead in their plans. If they get impatient for this to happen they're stupid.

 

already posted, only about 10 posts ago.

 

I really am losing confidence that Peavy ends up here...

Sorry, I have so many people on ignore reading a thread like this is like looking at a piece of swiss cheese.

[Electron Blue]

This is from the Atlanta Journal Constitution's David O'Brien

Folks, barring some surprising late push from a team that simply overwhelms the Padres with a new offer, it’s going to be the Braves or Cubs who land the 2007 Cy Young Award winner. And since the few other teams Peavy would agree to be traded to seemingly don’t have the package of prospects that they are willing to part with and would satisfy what Padres GM Kevin Towers is looking for, I’m fairly certain it’ll be the Braves or Cubs.

 

And since the various possible offers from the Cubs that have been reported thus far seem to fall short of the Braves’ likely offer of Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez or Jordan Schafer, and one or two pitching prospects from a group that might include Charlie Morton, Jo-Jo Reyes, or one of the younger guys (not named Hanson), I’m still of the belief that the Braves are favored over the Cubs to get Peavy.

 

Not much new to report. The guy did say that the Braves were getting antsy b/c they want to move ahead in their plans. If they get impatient for this to happen they're stupid.

 

already posted, only about 10 posts ago.

 

I really am losing confidence that Peavy ends up here...

Sorry, I have so many people on ignore reading a thread like this is like looking at a piece of swiss cheese.

 

Actually a handful of people have said that same thing (maybe you didn't see that either ;)). It seems the ignore feature has some drawbacks.

[BigbadB]

Some of these latest articles are ignorning some strong points that were made late last week. Peavy wants to play for a contender. I'm not sure why he views the Braves as a contender, but the only real reason the Braves are probably even in the picture is their geographic location. With that said, Peavy will probably veto a deal to the Braves if guys like Escobar, Hanson, Schafer are involved in the deal, because it weakens the teams future chances of being a winner.

 

Also, Towers has stated that he wants a deal to be sooner rather than later because he has a lot more work to do this offseason. He needs to know what holes he will need to fill, and there are several teams interested in Khalil Greene.

 

The Cubs probably don't have the package necessary to get Towers to sign off on a deal, hence the probability that the Cubs are working with a 3rd or 4th team to improve on a deal that will land Peavy. Florida seems like the ideal 3rd team since Hermida and Olsen are on the market. Florida wants a catcher, and Texas has a crapload of them while they are completely lacking in the pitching department.

 

I'm not good at projecting who might go in a 3 or 4 team deal, but with these names and other players on each team, there might be a way to make a deal happen if Towers is patient enough for Hendry to work the phones and a bit of magic:

 

Texas has Max Ramirez, Gerald Laird, Taylor Teagarden, Saltalamacchia

Florida has Kevin Gregg, Jeremy Hermida, Scott Olsen

Padres have Jake Peavy

Cubs have Pie, Marshall and a host of prospects that can be included.

[gflore34]

So, if deal goes down, does this mean the Padres will be looking to move Greene?

[nilodnayr]

Ohh, about 47 pages ago, I staked the claim that Peavy shouldn't get a massive haul of a trade package because after 2009 his deal goes from very team friendly to slightly undermarket. Here's Victor Wang's take on it.

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/jake-peavy-trade-analysis/

[BigbadB]

So, if deal goes down, does this mean the Padres will be looking to move Greene?

 

That's going to happen whether Peavy is traded or not. Several teams are shopping for Greene since the Padres have openly stated they are willing to trade him. Greene is a FA after 2009, and Greene refused to sign an extension with the Padres.

[nilodnayr]

Some of these latest articles are ignorning some strong points that were made late last week. Peavy wants to play for a contender. I'm not sure why he views the Braves as a contender, but the only real reason the Braves are probably even in the picture is their geographic location. With that said, Peavy will probably veto a deal to the Braves if guys like Escobar, Hanson, Schafer are involved in the deal, because it weakens the teams future chances of being a winner.

 

Also, Towers has stated that he wants a deal to be sooner rather than later because he has a lot more work to do this offseason. He needs to know what holes he will need to fill, and there are several teams interested in Khalil Greene.

 

A point that has been somewhat ignored is the interconnectedness of your first paragraph and second paragraph. The Braves have a pretty large chunk of change to spend this offseason (~$40M). The loss of Escobar can be remedied by an acquisition of another shortstop. A loss of Hanson obviously would be a blow to the future of the organization, but so far the Braves are not willing to include him. And while Schafer is good, the Braves have a plethora of outfield prospects to not blink and eye losing him. The reason they want to get the Peavy thing done is because they still have assets and work to be done to improve the team this offseason.

[shnsajax]

Some of these latest articles are ignorning some strong points that were made late last week. Peavy wants to play for a contender. I'm not sure why he views the Braves as a contender, but the only real reason the Braves are probably even in the picture is their geographic location. With that said, Peavy will probably veto a deal to the Braves if guys like Escobar, Hanson, Schafer are involved in the deal, because it weakens the teams future chances of being a winner.

 

Also, Towers has stated that he wants a deal to be sooner rather than later because he has a lot more work to do this offseason. He needs to know what holes he will need to fill, and there are several teams interested in Khalil Greene.

 

The Cubs probably don't have the package necessary to get Towers to sign off on a deal, hence the probability that the Cubs are working with a 3rd or 4th team to improve on a deal that will land Peavy. Florida seems like the ideal 3rd team since Hermida and Olsen are on the market. Florida wants a catcher, and Texas has a crapload of them while they are completely lacking in the pitching department.

 

I'm not good at projecting who might go in a 3 or 4 team deal, but with these names and other players on each team, there might be a way to make a deal happen if Towers is patient enough for Hendry to work the phones and a bit of magic:

 

Texas has Max Ramirez, Gerald Laird, Taylor Teagarden, Saltalamacchia

Florida has Kevin Gregg, Jeremy Hermida, Scott Olsen

Padres have Jake Peavy

Cubs have Pie, Marshall and a host of prospects that can be included.

 

I would not mind getting Max Ramirez and moving him to 1st base. I have no clue how well he can handle it, but I love his bat ond OBP.

[TheDude]

A point that has been somewhat ignored is the interconnectedness of your first paragraph and second paragraph. The Braves have a pretty large chunk of change to spend this offseason (~$40M). The loss of Escobar can be remedied by an acquisition of another shortstop. A loss of Hanson obviously would be a blow to the future of the organization, but so far the Braves are not willing to include him. And while Schafer is good, the Braves have a plethora of outfield prospects to not blink and eye losing him. The reason they want to get the Peavy thing done is because they still have assets and work to be done to improve the team this offseason.

 

Suppose the Braves signed Furcal as the answer at SS (irony won't allow this, but it's hypothetical). Then they trade for Peavy. they make several quality budget moves. They are still behind the Phillies and the Mets in that Division.

 

The point is this; if 'contender' is truly Peavy's motive to waive his NTC, the Braves still won't be the answer come April, even if they pulled off an A+ offseason. Meanwhile the Cubs don't have to do anything but trade for Peavy, and they are the favorite instantly.

[rawaction]

Some of these latest articles are ignorning some strong points that were made late last week. Peavy wants to play for a contender. I'm not sure why he views the Braves as a contender, but the only real reason the Braves are probably even in the picture is their geographic location. With that said, Peavy will probably veto a deal to the Braves if guys like Escobar, Hanson, Schafer are involved in the deal, because it weakens the teams future chances of being a winner.

 

Also, Towers has stated that he wants a deal to be sooner rather than later because he has a lot more work to do this offseason. He needs to know what holes he will need to fill, and there are several teams interested in Khalil Greene.

 

The Cubs probably don't have the package necessary to get Towers to sign off on a deal, hence the probability that the Cubs are working with a 3rd or 4th team to improve on a deal that will land Peavy. Florida seems like the ideal 3rd team since Hermida and Olsen are on the market. Florida wants a catcher, and Texas has a crapload of them while they are completely lacking in the pitching department.

 

I'm not good at projecting who might go in a 3 or 4 team deal, but with these names and other players on each team, there might be a way to make a deal happen if Towers is patient enough for Hendry to work the phones and a bit of magic:

 

Texas has Max Ramirez, Gerald Laird, Taylor Teagarden, Saltalamacchia

Florida has Kevin Gregg, Jeremy Hermida, Scott Olsen

Padres have Jake Peavy

Cubs have Pie, Marshall and a host of prospects that can be included.

 

Ok, I gotta try.

 

Cubs get Peavy

Padres get Hermida, Olsen, Cedeno

Marlins get Ramirez, Pie, Ceda

Texas gets Marshall

[sweetpeteman]

I think Texas will want more than Marshall for Ramirez

[shnsajax]

I think Texas will want more than Marshall for Ramirez

 

That was my initial thought as well.

[Derwood]

the Padres/Braves scenario is maddening, as it makes perfect sense for San Diego and ZERO sense for Atlanta

[nilodnayr]

A point that has been somewhat ignored is the interconnectedness of your first paragraph and second paragraph. The Braves have a pretty large chunk of change to spend this offseason (~$40M). The loss of Escobar can be remedied by an acquisition of another shortstop. A loss of Hanson obviously would be a blow to the future of the organization, but so far the Braves are not willing to include him. And while Schafer is good, the Braves have a plethora of outfield prospects to not blink and eye losing him. The reason they want to get the Peavy thing done is because they still have assets and work to be done to improve the team this offseason.

 

Suppose the Braves signed Furcal as the answer at SS (irony won't allow this, but it's hypothetical). Then they trade for Peavy. they make several quality budget moves. They are still behind the Phillies and the Mets in that Division.

 

The point is this; if 'contender' is truly Peavy's motive to waive his NTC, the Braves still won't be the answer come April, even if they pulled off an A+ offseason. Meanwhile the Cubs don't have to do anything but trade for Peavy, and they are the favorite instantly.

 

The Brave's absolutely could be considered a contender with an A+ offseason with the $ they have. Will they be considered a favorite? Absolutely not. But with Peavy and $30M to spend, they can get somewhere close to "in the mix". I'm not saying they have a great chance, but it would be ridiculous to write them off with the money they have to spend and the prospects they can trade. They aren't Washington or anything.

 

There are a few teams that are out of it at the beginning of the year (such last year's Giants, Nats, Marlins, Bucs, Royals, O's). Then there are the teams that are not in a great position to contend, but have a somewhat middling team at the beginning of the year (such as last year's Padres, Reds, Cards, Astros, AL West minus Angels*, White Sox, Twins, Rays, Blue Jays). And finally there are the favorites for the playoffs (such as last years Dodgers, D'backs, Rockies, Cubs, Brewers, Phillies, Mets, Braves, Angels, Indians, Tigers, Yanks, BoSox). Its a good bet, the majority of the playoff spots are going to be eaten up by that last group of teams, but typically a "decent" team in the pre-season is going to make it there too.

 

I'm not arguing that Peavy doesn't have a better chance of getting to the playoffs with the Cubs, he certainly does. But if the Braves get him and have a good offseason, I wouldn't shut the book on them whatsoever.

 

*LOTS of people picked the Mariners, but they were effen [expletive].

[rawaction]

I think Texas will want more than Marshall for Ramirez

 

That was my initial thought as well.

 

I was thinking that too, but I didn't think the Cubs or Marlins should necessarily give up anymore. That would have made it a 5-for-1 trade for the Cubs and 3-for-3 for the Marlins, with them giving up at least 2 major leaguers for 3 minor leaguers.

[TheDude]

There are a few teams that are out of it at the beginning of the year (such last year's Giants, Nats, Marlins, Bucs, Royals, O's). Then there are the teams that are not in a great position to contend, but have a somewhat middling team at the beginning of the year (such as last year's Padres, Reds, Cards, Astros, AL West minus Angels*, White Sox, Twins, Rays, Blue Jays). And finally there are the favorites for the playoffs (such as last years Dodgers, D'backs, Rockies, Cubs, Brewers, Phillies, Mets, Braves, Angels, Indians, Tigers, Yanks, BoSox).

 

You're placing a 72-90 team as a favorite for the playoffs next season. It isn't true now, and it wouldn't be true with Peavy. They would be a 'middling' team either way, to use your term.

[nilodnayr]

There are a few teams that are out of it at the beginning of the year (such last year's Giants, Nats, Marlins, Bucs, Royals, O's). Then there are the teams that are not in a great position to contend, but have a somewhat middling team at the beginning of the year (such as last year's Padres, Reds, Cards, Astros, AL West minus Angels*, White Sox, Twins, Rays, Blue Jays). And finally there are the favorites for the playoffs (such as last years Dodgers, D'backs, Rockies, Cubs, Brewers, Phillies, Mets, Braves, Angels, Indians, Tigers, Yanks, BoSox).

 

You're placing a 72-90 team as a favorite for the playoffs next season. It isn't true now, and it wouldn't be true with Peavy. They would be a 'middling' team either way, to use your term.

 

Reading comprehension is key

 

Will they be considered a favorite? Absolutely not.

[David]

There are a few teams that are out of it at the beginning of the year (such last year's Giants, Nats, Marlins, Bucs, Royals, O's). Then there are the teams that are not in a great position to contend, but have a somewhat middling team at the beginning of the year (such as last year's Padres, Reds, Cards, Astros, AL West minus Angels*, White Sox, Twins, Rays, Blue Jays). And finally there are the favorites for the playoffs (such as last years Dodgers, D'backs, Rockies, Cubs, Brewers, Phillies, Mets, Braves, Angels, Indians, Tigers, Yanks, BoSox).

 

You're placing a 72-90 team as a favorite for the playoffs next season. It isn't true now, and it wouldn't be true with Peavy. They would be a 'middling' team either way, to use your term.

 

Reading comprehension is key

 

Will they be considered a favorite? Absolutely not.

 

Probably an accident, but I think that's what he was referring to.

[SouthSideRyan]

He was talking about last year's playoffs, and I'd say the Braves were a favorite heading into the year with a full year of Tex.

[David]

He was talking about last year's playoffs, and I'd say the Braves were a favorite heading into the year with a full year of Tex.

 

I dunno. I didn't think they had much of a shot over both Philly and NY. But I guess it's fair to say they were in the conversation.

[nilodnayr]

He was talking about last year's playoffs, and I'd say the Braves were a favorite heading into the year with a full year of Tex.

 

I dunno. I didn't think they had much of a shot over both Philly and NY. But I guess it's fair to say they were in the conversation.

 

 

Yeah, that was pre-season for 2008 (a bit early in the offseason for2 009 predictions :D ). If you go back and look at the pre-season predictions, many many many people had the Braves winning the East.

[TheDude]

He was talking about last year's playoffs, and I'd say the Braves were a favorite heading into the year with a full year of Tex.

 

I dunno. I didn't think they had much of a shot over both Philly and NY. But I guess it's fair to say they were in the conversation.

 

 

Yeah, that was pre-season for 2008 (a bit early in the offseason for2 009 predictions :D ). If you go back and look at the pre-season predictions, many many many people had the Braves winning the East.

 

Sorry, there wasn't any clear indication in your post you meant pre-2008, so I had assumed you were speaking in the present.

 

And fwiw, anyone pre-2008 that had picked the Braves over the Mets or the Phillies was doing so on reputation, or else drinking. Nearly everything I can remember from the pre-2008 season had the East with two teams making the playoffs, with the other divisions being much weaker. I thought most had Mets and Phillies, but something in my brain tells me the Braves were the popular dark horse pick.

 

I do remember Neyer writing something about the carry-over effect of a dozen (or whatever) division titles in a row by the Braves still impacting pre-season predictions. Especially since the year writers actually did write them off (was it 2005?), they still won it, surprising everyone, and this 'never underestimate the Braves' attitude seems to have forever permeated the baseball writing circles.