Jake Peavy: Available.

[RedFlash]

Yes, this guy absolutely knows more than everyone else.

 

Or it's just more rumors and we'll have to see.

 

I personal think it's all rumor at this point. To say, "Peavy to Atlanta is pretty darn close" might have some truth to it, the reality is Peavy can still reject the trade. Churchill is correct that the Cubs (Cards/Astros don't count because they've been out since the beginning) can't match/come close to matching the Braves offer only if they offer includes Tommy Hanson and/pr Heyward. Any deal that doesn't include either one of those two the Cubs can match, IMO. I think it comes down to who Peavy sees as a team that is closer to being a contender. Personally, as many have said in this thread the Braves are still several MAJOR question marks such as starting pitching--outside of perhaps Peavy and Jurrjens, relief pitching, OF production, Jones healthy and Bobby Cox. Peavy may look at the Braves chances (they are clearly behind the Mets/Phillies even if Peavy is on the Braves) and look at the Cubs chances and tell Towers that the Cubs are the team he wants to go to.

 

IMO, I don't think the Peavy to the Braves deal is as close as Churchill is claiming. I think this is Churchill trying to excite Braves fans into buying the newpaper that has his article.

[17 Seconds]

On Homeplate on XM they made it sound like it was the Braves or nothing.

 

Which is why I'm thinking that the Cubs never really had a realistic shot and Towers was just using us as leverage.

 

In reality, the Padres would be stupid to trade Peavy to us. He's a top 5 pitcher and we don't have a legit centerpiece for a guy like that.

 

Hendry got something out of it, too -- the fan base is excited again.

 

Yeah....for a couple weeks. If we lose him to the Braves then the fan base will be even more depressed than when the rumors started. Now settling for re-signing Dempster is going to seem like a big failure.

 

Disappointed, yes. Depressed? Not so sure. Hendry is collecting all kinds of credit for nearly pulling this off. Wouldn't it be funny if he and Towers were just doing each other a favor? Regardless, I'd say the Cubs are better off with the Peavy buzz than without it, regardless of the outcome.

 

If Peavy goes to the Braves I don't see how any good could possibly have come of all this. I know I'll personally feel worse about the Cubs than I did 2 weeks ago. I wasn't expecting much at all this offseason then I got sucked into the Peavy talk. Anything else will be a letdown. Where is all this credit that hendry has gotten? If we lose Peavy to ATL for their 37th best package then I think that would look pretty bad.

 

I just don't see how the Peavy buzz could be looked at as a postivie if we lose him. I'd think the fanbase would be even more bummed. It's like "we won 97 and got swept in the playoffs again....but we're getting Peavy so we'll have a super-rotation! Oh wait, nevermind.... we'll have to get Scott Olsen instead." It seems like a cruel joke.

[17 Seconds]

Yes, this guy absolutely knows more than everyone else.

 

Or it's just more rumors and we'll have to see.

 

IMO, I don't think the Peavy to the Braves deal is as close as Churchill is claiming. I think this is Churchill trying to excite Braves fans into buying the newpaper that has his article.

 

What article? He didn't write that on a website.... he e-mailed it to me because I ask him about Cubs stuff a lot. Anyways, if that was his motive wouldn't he want to excite Cubs fans instead of Braves fans?

[RedFlash]

Yes, this guy absolutely knows more than everyone else.

 

Or it's just more rumors and we'll have to see.

 

IMO, I don't think the Peavy to the Braves deal is as close as Churchill is claiming. I think this is Churchill trying to excite Braves fans into buying the newpaper that has his article.

 

What article? He didn't write that on a website.... he e-mailed it to me because I ask him about Cubs stuff a lot. Anyways, if that was his motive wouldn't he want to excite Cubs fans instead of Braves fans?

 

Which proves my post in that what he wrote to you is pure rumor and can't really substantiate it and was just giving you an opinion based on what is already out there. So unless Churchill works for the Braves or have a source inside the organization ( :roll: ) all he is doing is reciting his own opinion.

[italianocubsfan7]

Bruce Levine again made the point this morning that Peavy wants to come here, and that Kevin Towers relationship with Hendry could be the reason why he comes here instead of Atlanta. He also says that Samardzija would not be a deal breaker for the Padres, especially if a third team is included.

 

My prediction is that the Padres will break the ice (errr, sand?), and trade Peavy to the Cubs sometime this week. Just my thinking. Anyone else?

[17 Seconds]

Yes, this guy absolutely knows more than everyone else.

 

Or it's just more rumors and we'll have to see.

 

IMO, I don't think the Peavy to the Braves deal is as close as Churchill is claiming. I think this is Churchill trying to excite Braves fans into buying the newpaper that has his article.

 

What article? He didn't write that on a website.... he e-mailed it to me because I ask him about Cubs stuff a lot. Anyways, if that was his motive wouldn't he want to excite Cubs fans instead of Braves fans?

 

Which proves my post in that what he wrote to you is pure rumor and can't really substantiate it and was just giving you an opinion based on what is already out there. So unless Churchill works for the Braves or have a source inside the organization ( :roll: ) all he is doing is reciting his own opinion.

 

Where did I say it wasn't rumor? Of course it's rumor. It's not just his opinion though, he has a contact in the Cubs FO (which is why I e-mail him in the first place) and he has e-mailed me things h'es heard in the past before I read it anywhere else and has been right. He's not just guessing or sharing his opinions. You can be skeptical of how reliable his info is, but he def. hears it from someone. The fact that Olney just said the Braves and Pads have made progress coupled with what Churchill told me leads me to believe that there's probably some truth to it. Obviously it's just rumors at this point, so there's no need for the eye rolling.

[RedFlash]

If Peavy goes to the Braves I don't see how any good could possibly have come of all this. I know I'll personally feel worse about the Cubs than I did 2 weeks ago. I wasn't expecting much at all this offseason then I got sucked into the Peavy talk. Anything else will be a letdown. Where is all this credit that hendry has gotten? If we lose Peavy to ATL for their 37th best package then I think that would look pretty bad.

 

I just don't see how the Peavy buzz could be looked at as a postivie if we lose him. I'd think the fanbase would be even more bummed. It's like "we won 97 and got swept in the playoffs again....but we're getting Peavy so we'll have a super-rotation! Oh wait, nevermind.... we'll have to get Scott Olsen instead." It seems like a cruel joke.

 

I agree with this point. After such a deflating October for Hendry to go after Peavy only to lose him to the Braves (the freaking Braves) is nothing but negative. To top that off by having to overpay Dempster to get him to stay, you're right dexter, there is nothing positive about this situation other then getting Peavy. This would be similar to the hottest girl in school flirting with you and as she leans in to kiss you, she pulls back and just laughs at you. The Cubs would have been better off not getting into the bidding for Peavy.

[Backtobanks]

Unfortunately we'll have to settle for Olsen, who could be good. Maybe he could be motivated as he's a die-hard Cubs fan apparently.

 

If we don't get Peavy, a deal for Hermida and Olson could end up being a good deal depending on the cost. Take Olsen and flip him to the O's in a deal for BRob.

 

Assuming Pie and Cedeno would be part of a trade:

 

1B - Lee

2B - BRob

SS - Theriot

3B - ARam

LF - Soriano

CF - Fukudome/Johnson

RF - Hermida/Derosa

C - Soto

 

Bench: Johnson/Fukudome, Fontenot, Hoffpair, Derosa/Hermida, MI sub, Blanco/Hill

[Jehrico]

Yes, this guy absolutely knows more than everyone else.

 

Or it's just more rumors and we'll have to see.

 

Well it's going right along with what Olney just said.

And Olney's track record should tell you he's wrong, so what does that say about Churchills info? Not much, if anything.

[RedFlash]

Yes, this guy absolutely knows more than everyone else.

 

Or it's just more rumors and we'll have to see.

 

IMO, I don't think the Peavy to the Braves deal is as close as Churchill is claiming. I think this is Churchill trying to excite Braves fans into buying the newpaper that has his article.

 

What article? He didn't write that on a website.... he e-mailed it to me because I ask him about Cubs stuff a lot. Anyways, if that was his motive wouldn't he want to excite Cubs fans instead of Braves fans?

 

Which proves my post in that what he wrote to you is pure rumor and can't really substantiate it and was just giving you an opinion based on what is already out there. So unless Churchill works for the Braves or have a source inside the organization ( :roll: ) all he is doing is reciting his own opinion.

 

Where did I say it wasn't rumor? Of course it's rumor. It's not just his opinion though, he has a contact in the Cubs FO (which is why I e-mail him in the first place) and he has e-mailed me things h'es heard in the past before I read it anywhere else and has been right. He's not just guessing or sharing his opinions. You can be skeptical of how reliable his info is, but he def. hears it from someone. The fact that Olney just said the Braves and Pads have made progress coupled with what Churchill told me leads me to believe that there's probably some truth to it. Obviously it's just rumors at this point, so there's no need for the eye rolling.

 

Well, until the Peavy deal gets done everything is conjuncture regardless of who you know and who they know. Churchill may have somebody in the Cubs FA, but unless that source is Hendry himself then he isn't 100% privy to what is inside Hendry head. Anyways, let see the Peavy talks play out. I still think the Cubs are favorites, only because the Braves won't include Hanson in the trade.

Edited November 9, 2008 by RedFlash

[Post Count Padder]

Unfortunately we'll have to settle for Olsen, who could be good. Maybe he could be motivated as he's a die-hard Cubs fan apparently.

 

If we don't get Peavy, a deal for Hermida and Olson could end up being a good deal depending on the cost. Take Olsen and flip him to the O's in a deal for BRob.

 

Assuming Pie and Cedeno would be part of a trade:

 

1B - Lee

2B - BRob

SS - Theriot

3B - ARam

LF - Soriano

CF - Fukudome/Johnson

RF - Hermida/Derosa

C - Soto

 

Bench: Johnson/Fukudome, Fontenot, Hoffpair, Derosa/Hermida, MI sub, Blanco/Hill

But then what does the rotation look like? The only way I would trade Olsen after acquiring him would be to include him in a deal for Peavy.

[17 Seconds]

Yes, this guy absolutely knows more than everyone else.

 

Or it's just more rumors and we'll have to see.

 

Well it's going right along with what Olney just said.

And Olney's track record should tell you he's wrong, so what does that say about Churchills info?

 

I suspect that you're only saying Olney's track record is bad because you don't like what he's saying. The reality is that most of these guys are wrong a lot because they predict so many things and write so many articles. When multiple people are hearing the same thing (and I highly doub Churchill is piggy backing Olney) that's when I tend to start paying attention.

You can believe what you want about this Churchill guy, I don't really care, but don't act like he's just blwing smoke up my ass for no reason. He's been right in the past so he's not making it up. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong. Thease guys are wrong all the time.

[17 Seconds]

Unfortunately we'll have to settle for Olsen, who could be good. Maybe he could be motivated as he's a die-hard Cubs fan apparently.

 

If we don't get Peavy, a deal for Hermida and Olson could end up being a good deal depending on the cost. Take Olsen and flip him to the O's in a deal for BRob.

 

Assuming Pie and Cedeno would be part of a trade:

 

1B - Lee

2B - BRob

SS - Theriot

3B - ARam

LF - Soriano

CF - Fukudome/Johnson

RF - Hermida/Derosa

C - Soto

 

Bench: Johnson/Fukudome, Fontenot, Hoffpair, Derosa/Hermida, MI sub, Blanco/Hill

 

MacPhail said Roberts isn't available. They're trying to lock him up.

[Jehrico]

Yes, this guy absolutely knows more than everyone else.

 

Or it's just more rumors and we'll have to see.

 

Well it's going right along with what Olney just said.

And Olney's track record should tell you he's wrong, so what does that say about Churchills info?

 

I suspect that you're only saying Olney's track record is bad because you don't like what he's saying. The reality is that most of these guys are wrong a lot because they predict so many things and write so many articles. When multiple people are hearing the same thing (and I highly doub Churchill is piggy backing Olney) that's when I tend to start paying attention.

You can believe what you want about this Churchill guy, I don't really care, but don't act like he's just blwing smoke up my ass for no reason. He's been right in the past so he's not making it up. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong. Thease guys are wrong all the time.

I wasn't acting like he was blowing smoke up your 4th point of contact for no reason. You were acting like Olney's report had any significance on the note you got, and it didn't, which is all I was saying. You're being waaay to sensitive. Don't get mad just because we don't want to put too much stock into your source at this time on this one issue.

[manbearcub]

ok, im a little lost because half the posts the last couple pages are on ignore...deals not gonna happen now?

[Post Count Padder]

ok, im a little lost because half the posts the last couple pages are on ignore...deals not gonna happen now?

There's speculation the Braves could close the deal soon, but that's all it is, speculation. Nothing concrete still, and Peavy said he would reject a trade to the Braves if their package ruins the team's chances to compete next year.

[Bote McBoteface]

Apparently the only teams in the running now are the Braves, Cubs, and Dodgers. No other teams will be considered. A deal to the Braves is supposedly close, with Yunel Escobar and prospects going to the Pads.

[dew1679666265]

Apparently the only teams in the running now are the Braves, Cubs, and Dodgers. No other teams will be considered. A deal to the Braves is supposedly close, with Yunel Escobar and prospects going to the Pads.

 

I'd be surprised if the deal actually includes Yunel because Peavy said he'd reject any deal with Yunel.

[Jehrico]

ok, im a little lost because half the posts the last couple pages are on ignore...deals not gonna happen now?

There's speculation the Braves could close the deal soon, but that's all it is, speculation. Nothing concrete still, and Peavy said he would reject a trade to the Braves if their package ruins the team's chances to compete next year.

What makes you think he's going to see your post? ;)

[Clem Fandango]

If Escobar goes, Greene becomes available does he not?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Apparently the only teams in the running now are the Braves, Cubs, and Dodgers. No other teams will be considered. A deal to the Braves is supposedly close, with Yunel Escobar and prospects going to the Pads.

 

I'd be surprised if the deal actually includes Yunel because Peavy said he'd reject any deal with Yunel.

 

He didn't say that. His agent used it as a hypothetical, and then had to clarify when everyone ran with the "Peavy won't accept a deal where the Braves lose Escobar" story.

[Jehrico]

Apparently the only teams in the running now are the Braves, Cubs, and Dodgers. No other teams will be considered. A deal to the Braves is supposedly close, with Yunel Escobar and prospects going to the Pads.

 

I'd be surprised if the deal actually includes Yunel because Peavy said he'd reject any deal with Yunel.

 

He didn't say that. His agent used it as a hypothetical, and then had to clarify when everyone ran with the "Peavy won't accept a deal where the Braves lose Escobar" story.

His agent could have been covering his tracks too, hoping not to stifle other suitors out there. Hard to say what the truth really is.

[17 Seconds]

If Escobar goes, Greene becomes available does he not?

 

He's already available. Actually they're trying to trade him.

[17 Seconds]

Yes, this guy absolutely knows more than everyone else.

 

Or it's just more rumors and we'll have to see.

 

Well it's going right along with what Olney just said.

And Olney's track record should tell you he's wrong, so what does that say about Churchills info?

 

I suspect that you're only saying Olney's track record is bad because you don't like what he's saying. The reality is that most of these guys are wrong a lot because they predict so many things and write so many articles. When multiple people are hearing the same thing (and I highly doub Churchill is piggy backing Olney) that's when I tend to start paying attention.

You can believe what you want about this Churchill guy, I don't really care, but don't act like he's just blwing smoke up my ass for no reason. He's been right in the past so he's not making it up. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong. Thease guys are wrong all the time.

I wasn't acting like he was blowing smoke up your 4th point of contact for no reason. You were acting like Olney's report had any significance on the note you got, and it didn't, which is all I was saying. You're being waaay to sensitive. Don't get mad just because we don't want to put too much stock into your source at this time on this one issue.

 

my "source"? He's a guy with a website who I e-mail sometimes. You could do the same. I never said he's right, all I said is that he's not making it up. You were the one who proclaimed that Olney was surely wrong. I never said anybody was surely right. Neither of us know for sure what's up.. you're the opnly one that claimed you did.

[erik316wttn]

:(

 

God dangit. I knew it was too good to be true.

 

Yes, I know it's probably speculation, but where there's smoke, there's usually fire.