Jake Peavy: Available.

[rawaction]

It sure would be nice to have Sean Gallagher back. I *think* if a move like this were to actually happen, it would involve a third team.

 

The only problem is what would be the incentive for a team to give up a ML ready pitching prospect if they aren't getting Peavy back? Presumably, someone would have to give up a SP better than Marshall and get prospects back from the Cubs, lesser than the one they are giving up.

 

I didn't say we wouldn't be giving up a quality player.

 

I didn't say that you did. But the point is, the only reason to include a 3rd team is if the two teams trying to make the deal don't necessarily matchup w/ each other's needs. The Manny trade included a 3rd team, because the Dodgers didn't have a ML experienced OF to replace Manny in Boston, and because the Red Sox didn't have the combination of prospects that the Pirates wanted. I think the Cubs do have the combination that the Padres are looking for. The Cubs can give up a ML ready CF. They can give up ML ready pitching. They can give up prospects within a couple years away from being ML contributors. The only reason to conceivably include a 3rd team is to get the Padres a more talented player that they covet.

[mdwilla]

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2008/11/rumorsnews1102.php

 

 

Some interesting Levine comments from yesterday.

[RedFlash]

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2008/11/rumorsnews1102.php

 

Some interesting Levine comments from yesterday.

 

Yeah, but nothing new, except perhaps the part about Towers wanting to move Peavy pretty quickly.

[Little Slide Rooter]

From what Im heraing, the 3 suiters are the Cubs, Dodgers and Braves. They would prefer not trade him within the division, and will overcharge the Dodgers, and the Braves dont want to give up their top prospects. This leaves us. Im confident that Uncle Jimmy can make something happen, and end up giving up less than we thought. I wouldnt be shocked if Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno/Theriot/Fontenot got it done.

[BigbadB]

From what Im heraing, the 3 suiters are the Cubs, Dodgers and Braves. They would prefer not trade him within the division, and will overcharge the Dodgers, and the Braves dont want to give up their top prospects. This leaves us. Im confident that Uncle Jimmy can make something happen, and end up giving up less than we thought. I wouldnt be shocked if Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno/Theriot/Fontenot got it done.

 

If that's all it took, this deal should have been done yesterday. It's going to cost a couple more prospects along with that package. But, it would still be more than worth it.

[Cubswin11]

From what Im heraing, the 3 suiters are the Cubs, Dodgers and Braves. They would prefer not trade him within the division, and will overcharge the Dodgers, and the Braves dont want to give up their top prospects. This leaves us. Im confident that Uncle Jimmy can make something happen, and end up giving up less than we thought. I wouldnt be shocked if Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno/Theriot/Fontenot got it done.

 

If that's all it took, this deal should have been done yesterday. It's going to cost a couple more prospects along with that package. But, it would still be more than worth it.

 

What about a 3 way?

 

Cubs get: Peavy, prospect from Twins or Giles if he waves NTC.

Twins get: Khalil Greene, Jose Ascanio or Kevin Hart

Padres get: Delmon Young, Sean Marshall, Pie/Fontenot/Cedeno, Jose Ceda/Wellington Castillo, and Mitch Atkins/Donnie Veal/Larry Suarez/Gaudin(if they want a more major league ready guy)

[rawaction]

From what Im heraing, the 3 suiters are the Cubs, Dodgers and Braves. They would prefer not trade him within the division, and will overcharge the Dodgers, and the Braves dont want to give up their top prospects. This leaves us. Im confident that Uncle Jimmy can make something happen, and end up giving up less than we thought. I wouldnt be shocked if Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno/Theriot/Fontenot got it done.

 

If that's all it took, this deal should have been done yesterday. It's going to cost a couple more prospects along with that package. But, it would still be more than worth it.

 

What about a 3 way?

 

Cubs get: Peavy, prospect from Twins or Giles if he waves NTC.

Twins get: Khalil Greene, Jose Ascanio or Kevin Hart

Padres get: Delmon Young, Sean Marshall, Pie/Fontenot/Cedeno, Jose Ceda/Wellington Castillo, and Mitch Atkins/Donnie Veal/Larry Suarez/Gaudin(if they want a more major league ready guy)

 

That might actually work. Greene could have a good year in Minnesota. They need a SS, and I don't think they are that high on Delmon.

[SouthSideRyan]

From what Im heraing, the 3 suiters are the Cubs, Dodgers and Braves. They would prefer not trade him within the division, and will overcharge the Dodgers, and the Braves dont want to give up their top prospects. This leaves us. Im confident that Uncle Jimmy can make something happen, and end up giving up less than we thought. I wouldnt be shocked if Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno/Theriot/Fontenot got it done.

 

If that's all it took, this deal should have been done yesterday. It's going to cost a couple more prospects along with that package. But, it would still be more than worth it.

 

What about a 3 way?

 

Cubs get: Peavy, prospect from Twins or Giles if he waves NTC.

Twins get: Khalil Greene, Jose Ascanio or Kevin Hart

Padres get: Delmon Young, Sean Marshall, Pie/Fontenot/Cedeno, Jose Ceda/Wellington Castillo, and Mitch Atkins/Donnie Veal/Larry Suarez/Gaudin(if they want a more major league ready guy)

 

That might actually work. Greene could have a good year in Minnesota. They need a SS, and I don't think they are that high on Delmon.

 

Minnesota isn't going to pay 6.5M for Greene after the season he had last year. They're not going to give up on Young after one season either.

[KingCubsFan]

From what Im heraing, the 3 suiters are the Cubs, Dodgers and Braves. They would prefer not trade him within the division, and will overcharge the Dodgers, and the Braves dont want to give up their top prospects. This leaves us. Im confident that Uncle Jimmy can make something happen, and end up giving up less than we thought. I wouldnt be shocked if Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno/Theriot/Fontenot got it done.

 

If that's all it took, this deal should have been done yesterday. It's going to cost a couple more prospects along with that package. But, it would still be more than worth it.

 

What about a 3 way?

 

Cubs get: Peavy, prospect from Twins or Giles if he waves NTC.

Twins get: Khalil Greene, Jose Ascanio or Kevin Hart

Padres get: Delmon Young, Sean Marshall, Pie/Fontenot/Cedeno, Jose Ceda/Wellington Castillo, and Mitch Atkins/Donnie Veal/Larry Suarez/Gaudin(if they want a more major league ready guy)

 

That might actually work. Greene could have a good year in Minnesota. They need a SS, and I don't think they are that high on Delmon.

 

Minnesota isn't going to pay 6.5M for Greene after the season he had last year. They're not going to give up on Young after one season either.

Wasn't there a rumor somewhere that they'd move him for a third baseman?

[Cubswin11]

From what Im heraing, the 3 suiters are the Cubs, Dodgers and Braves. They would prefer not trade him within the division, and will overcharge the Dodgers, and the Braves dont want to give up their top prospects. This leaves us. Im confident that Uncle Jimmy can make something happen, and end up giving up less than we thought. I wouldnt be shocked if Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno/Theriot/Fontenot got it done.

 

If that's all it took, this deal should have been done yesterday. It's going to cost a couple more prospects along with that package. But, it would still be more than worth it.

 

What about a 3 way?

 

Cubs get: Peavy, prospect from Twins or Giles if he waves NTC.

Twins get: Khalil Greene, Jose Ascanio or Kevin Hart

Padres get: Delmon Young, Sean Marshall, Pie/Fontenot/Cedeno, Jose Ceda/Wellington Castillo, and Mitch Atkins/Donnie Veal/Larry Suarez/Gaudin(if they want a more major league ready guy)

 

That might actually work. Greene could have a good year in Minnesota. They need a SS, and I don't think they are that high on Delmon.

 

Minnesota isn't going to pay 6.5M for Greene after the season he had last year. They're not going to give up on Young after one season either.

 

They are trading Young this offseason they want to make room so their OF can be Span, Gomez and Cuddyer. They have said they are looking to trade him for a 3B or SS.

[SouthSideRyan]

From what Im heraing, the 3 suiters are the Cubs, Dodgers and Braves. They would prefer not trade him within the division, and will overcharge the Dodgers, and the Braves dont want to give up their top prospects. This leaves us. Im confident that Uncle Jimmy can make something happen, and end up giving up less than we thought. I wouldnt be shocked if Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno/Theriot/Fontenot got it done.

 

If that's all it took, this deal should have been done yesterday. It's going to cost a couple more prospects along with that package. But, it would still be more than worth it.

 

What about a 3 way?

 

Cubs get: Peavy, prospect from Twins or Giles if he waves NTC.

Twins get: Khalil Greene, Jose Ascanio or Kevin Hart

Padres get: Delmon Young, Sean Marshall, Pie/Fontenot/Cedeno, Jose Ceda/Wellington Castillo, and Mitch Atkins/Donnie Veal/Larry Suarez/Gaudin(if they want a more major league ready guy)

 

That might actually work. Greene could have a good year in Minnesota. They need a SS, and I don't think they are that high on Delmon.

 

Minnesota isn't going to pay 6.5M for Greene after the season he had last year. They're not going to give up on Young after one season either.

 

They are trading Young this offseason they want to make room so their OF can be Span, Gomez and Cuddyer. They have said they are looking to trade him for a 3B or SS.

 

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to move Cuddyer back to 3B? And who DHs? And why are they paying Khalil Greene 6.5M?

[Cynosure]

Do we really want another Ace? I mean yea I would love Peavy, but would rather have a more consistent offense.

[UMFan83]

Do we really want another Ace? I mean yea I would love Peavy, but would rather have a more consistent offense.

 

You make it seem like we already have an ace on the team...

[Cynosure]

Do we really want another Ace? I mean yea I would love Peavy, but would rather have a more consistent offense.

 

You make it seem like we already have an ace on the team...

 

Well, I don't know the payroll situation etc... I'd love to have him on the team but would like to see our resources also spent elsewhere. Harden/Zambrano have the potential to both be #1 Aces... but we all know how that goes. Personally, I'd rather see Manny than Peavy.

[YearofDaCubs]

I think it's going to cost us Vitters if we want Peavy. They are not going to give us Peavy for nothing.

[JeffH]

I think it's going to cost us Vitters if we want Peavy. They are not going to give us Peavy for nothing.

 

If Hendry whiffs on Peavy because he doesn't want to relinquish Vitters, he's an even worse GM than I believe.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to move Cuddyer back to 3B?

 

Because it's the Twins, they love defense.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to move Cuddyer back to 3B?

 

Because it's the Twins, they love defense.

 

Then wouldn't it make more sense to leave young in the OF and DH Cuddyer?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to move Cuddyer back to 3B?

 

Because it's the Twins, they love defense.

 

Then wouldn't it make more sense to leave young in the OF and DH Cuddyer?

 

So they can add a defensive wonderboy in Greene. They still have Kubel to get ABs for too.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to move Cuddyer back to 3B?

 

Because it's the Twins, they love defense.

 

Then wouldn't it make more sense to leave young in the OF and DH Cuddyer?

 

So they can add a defensive wonderboy in Greene. They still have Kubel to get ABs for too.

 

Okay, how bout spending 6.5M for anyone who isn't homegrown. Let me have that one!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You got me, frugality is the other main F of the Twins paradigm (the others being Fielding and Francisco).

[rawaction]

Who says the Twins would be paying Greene's entire salary? Padres would likely have to eat some of that money, assuming they don't eat any of Peavy's deal.

[SouthSideRyan]

Who says the Twins would be paying Greene's entire salary? Padres would likely have to eat some of that money, assuming they don't eat any of Peavy's deal.

 

Isn't the whole point of trading Greene to get out from his salary?

[jersey cubs fan]

Who says the Twins would be paying Greene's entire salary? Padres would likely have to eat some of that money, assuming they don't eat any of Peavy's deal.

 

Isn't the whole point of trading Greene to get out from his salary?

 

I would think the point is saving some money. If they could save all of it I'm sure they would, but there's a fairly long list of teams that still pickup up significant portions of salary just for the opportunity to save some money.

[BigbadB]

Who says the Twins would be paying Greene's entire salary? Padres would likely have to eat some of that money, assuming they don't eat any of Peavy's deal.

 

Isn't the whole point of trading Greene to get out from his salary?

 

For the most part, yes. The one caveat we haven't seen yet with this Peavy deal is the possibility of having to digest the full amount of Greene's contract to make the deal happen. If the market isn't showing interest in Greene, that might be the only way to rid themselves of that contract.

 

Granted, it's possible that the Cubs could pull a prospect out of the deal if we are helping San Diego rid their contracts, but I'm not sure how much money Hendry realistically has to play with this offseason, and whether taking Peavy and Greene allows him to spend elsewhere.