Jake Peavy: Available.

[imb]

Yeah, but what I am supposed to say when people are agreeing with this kind of thing for no reason? You want hyperbole? Here it is, if Santana's home park was Petco his season ERA would be 0.59.

 

People in this thread who said Peavy was as good or better than Santana: Meph, Rob

 

People in this thread who expressed reservations about trading for Peavy, and/or disagreed with Meph/Rob's characterization of him: I don't want to go back and count, it's over half a dozen.

 

You're embarrassing yourself with this over-the-top "what is wrong with everyone why does everyone think this thing that is clearly wrong and I must bombastically correct you for the error of your ways" schtick.

 

You're exaggerating. Over half a dozen? I think not. That is over the top. You may call it bombastic posting, but if you feel strongly about a subject I don't see a reason to put a little verve into it, instead of everyone trying to out Spock/robot each other. Plus, in order to get embarrassed I would have to care about the reputation of this little internet persona, which I don't. I basically get ganged up on about petty nonsense in nearly every thread I post in, oh no, I'm not proclaiming Jay Jackson is Tim Lincecum just yet, I'm such a negative guy, everybody pile on.

 

That's part of what I don't like about these boards, what starts as a one-on-one disagreement turns into 7 people taking cheap shots at you personally instead of your argument. I just wish there was less damn posturing. Uh-oh, somebody thinks the fact that Josh Hamilton recovered from drug addiction does not make him a better baseball player than if he never took drugs in the first place! Better send out 10 guys with "internet tough guy" attitudes to deal with the problem.

 

i love the way you just make up these "prevailing board attitudes" on completely random topics. i can't decide if you're just a really bad poster with a need to be persecuted or perhaps the greatest troll in nsbb history

[17 Seconds]

Yeah, but what I am supposed to say when people are agreeing with this kind of thing for no reason? You want hyperbole? Here it is, if Santana's home park was Petco his season ERA would be 0.59.

 

People in this thread who said Peavy was as good or better than Santana: Meph, Rob

 

People in this thread who expressed reservations about trading for Peavy, and/or disagreed with Meph/Rob's characterization of him: I don't want to go back and count, it's over half a dozen.

 

You're embarrassing yourself with this over-the-top "what is wrong with everyone why does everyone think this thing that is clearly wrong and I must bombastically correct you for the error of your ways" schtick.

 

You're exaggerating. Over half a dozen? I think not. That is over the top. You may call it bombastic posting, but if you feel strongly about a subject I don't see a reason to put a little verve into it, instead of everyone trying to out Spock/robot each other. Plus, in order to get embarrassed I would have to care about the reputation of this little internet persona, which I don't. I basically get ganged up on about petty nonsense in nearly every thread I post in, oh no, I'm not proclaiming Jay Jackson is Tim Lincecum just yet, I'm such a negative guy, everybody pile on.

 

That's part of what I don't like about these boards, what starts as a one-on-one disagreement turns into 7 people taking cheap shots at you personally instead of your argument. I just wish there was less damn posturing. Uh-oh, somebody thinks the fact that Josh Hamilton recovered from drug addiction does not make him a better baseball player than if he never took drugs in the first place! Better send out 10 guys with "internet tough guy" attitudes to deal with the problem.

 

i love the way you just make up these "prevailing board attitudes" on completely random topics. i can't decide if you're just a really bad poster with a need to be persecuted or perhaps the greatest troll in nsbb history

 

You're kind of proving his point right there. Just sayin...

[Little Slide Rooter]

Back to the topic here: what they want is 2 young pitchers and a near ML ready center fielder. Lets look at some fits here

Lets start with the best

Dodgers:

Clayton Kershaw

Corey Wade/Hidoki Kuroda/Kuo

Matt Kemp/Andre Ethier

This might be giving up too much, however, they could easily get Khalil Greene as well with this package and let Furcal go.

 

Cardinals:

Chris Perez

Jaimie Garcia

Colby Rasmus

I hate to say it, but this could get the job done.

 

Braves:

Jair Jurrjens(Hed be the key to any deal)

Charlie Morton

Brandon Jones

 

Less Likely:

Cubs:

Sean Marshall

Rich Hill/Angel Guzman?Mitch Atkins/Kevin Hart/Don Veal

Felix Pie/Tyler Colvin

 

Brewers:

Manny Parra

Dave Bush(I doubt Gallardo will be moved, and if he was, the Brewers would be foolish)

Corey Hart

 

Astros:

Wandy Rodriguez

Brandon Backe

Hunter Pence

 

I know he says he wouldnt want to go to the AL, but it sounds like the Pads are just beggin the Yankees and Red Sox to go into a bidding war:

 

Yankees:

Phil Hughes

Ian Kennedy

Melky Cabrera

 

Red Sox

Justin Masterson

Clay Bucholz

Jacoby Ellsbury

Again, this seems like a pretty big package. With jed Lowrie, they have no use for Khalil Greene, so the Red Sox might want a throw in. Heath Bell?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Back to the topic here: what they want is 2 young pitchers and a near ML ready center fielder. Lets look at some fits here

Lets start with the best

Dodgers:

Clayton Kershaw

Corey Wade/Hidoki Kuroda/Kuo

Matt Kemp/Andre Ethier

This might be giving up too much, however, they could easily get Khalil Greene as well with this package and let Furcal go.

 

I don't think the Dodgers would ever do this deal. Coletti may be dumb, but he's not brain dead. The Dodgers will hang on to Kershaw in my opinion.

 

Cardinals:

Chris Perez

Jaimie Garcia

Colby Rasmus

I hate to say it, but this could get the job done.

 

You're right. That would probably get the job done if the Cardinals were so inclined.

 

Braves:

Jair Jurrjens(Hed be the key to any deal)

Charlie Morton

Brandon Jones

 

The Braves also could sub Jo-Jo Reyes in there for Morton or Shaeffer in for Jones. I think the Padres would want one of the Braves up and comers at CF...either Shaeffer or Heyward.

 

Less Likely:

Cubs:

Sean Marshall

Rich Hill/Angel Guzman?Mitch Atkins/Kevin Hart/Don Veal

Felix Pie/Tyler Colvin

 

Marshall and Pie would be a start, but the Cubs would have to have a good third piece. Marmol could be that. If the Padres were willing to only get one pitcher back, Vitters could be the third piece as well.

 

Brewers:

Manny Parra

Dave Bush(I doubt Gallardo will be moved, and if he was, the Brewers would be foolish)

Corey Hart

 

That deal might be enough, but if I'm the Padres, I'd want Parra, Hardy, and Hart.

 

Astros:

Wandy Rodriguez

Brandon Backe

Hunter Pence

 

I don't think the Padres would have much interest in Backe. I could see them wanting Towles. Even though he was a bust this year, they might take a chance on him. I'm not sure if the Astros would trade Wandy, Hunter, and JR all in the same deal.

[BigbadB]

Back to the topic here: what they want is 2 young pitchers and a near ML ready center fielder. Lets look at some fits here

Lets start with the best

Dodgers:

Clayton Kershaw

Corey Wade/Hidoki Kuroda/Kuo

Matt Kemp/Andre Ethier

This might be giving up too much, however, they could easily get Khalil Greene as well with this package and let Furcal go.

 

Actually, you are starting with the least likely option. San Diego and LA are not going to make that kind of swap any more than the Cubs would trade their best player to the Cardinals.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Back to the topic here: what they want is 2 young pitchers and a near ML ready center fielder. Lets look at some fits here

Lets start with the best

Dodgers:

Clayton Kershaw

Corey Wade/Hidoki Kuroda/Kuo

Matt Kemp/Andre Ethier

This might be giving up too much, however, they could easily get Khalil Greene as well with this package and let Furcal go.

 

Actually, you are starting with the least likely option. San Diego and LA are not going to make that kind of swap any more than the Cubs would trade their best player to the Cardinals.

 

Sorry, I shouldnt have said most likely, what I meant was most enticing.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah, but what I am supposed to say when people are agreeing with this kind of thing for no reason? You want hyperbole? Here it is, if Santana's home park was Petco his season ERA would be 0.59.

 

People in this thread who said Peavy was as good or better than Santana: Meph, Rob

 

People in this thread who expressed reservations about trading for Peavy, and/or disagreed with Meph/Rob's characterization of him: I don't want to go back and count, it's over half a dozen.

 

You're embarrassing yourself with this over-the-top "what is wrong with everyone why does everyone think this thing that is clearly wrong and I must bombastically correct you for the error of your ways" schtick.

 

You're exaggerating. Over half a dozen? I think not. That is over the top. You may call it bombastic posting, but if you feel strongly about a subject I don't see a reason to put a little verve into it, instead of everyone trying to out Spock/robot each other. Plus, in order to get embarrassed I would have to care about the reputation of this little internet persona, which I don't. I basically get ganged up on about petty nonsense in nearly every thread I post in, oh no, I'm not proclaiming Jay Jackson is Tim Lincecum just yet, I'm such a negative guy, everybody pile on.

 

That's part of what I don't like about these boards, what starts as a one-on-one disagreement turns into 7 people taking cheap shots at you personally instead of your argument. I just wish there was less damn posturing. Uh-oh, somebody thinks the fact that Josh Hamilton recovered from drug addiction does not make him a better baseball player than if he never took drugs in the first place! Better send out 10 guys with "internet tough guy" attitudes to deal with the problem.

 

Off the top of my head, two people objected to Rob's characterization of Peavy/Santana as 1/2, one citing Webb, the other citing Halladay/Lincecum. Mhuber posted that he wasn't all that enamored with Peavy, citing his maximum effort delivery. Two people, including myself, talked about Peavy's less than sparkling away splits, and UMFan agreed with me when I brought it up. So there's your half dozen, I'm sure there's more.

 

The reason lots of people respond to you is because you make up arguments and apply them to the whole board, and you do it with a very aggressive tone. I'm sure you'd find much better conversation if you left it at "Josh Hamilton doesn't deserve to be in the top 10 in MVP voting" as opposed to "why do all you mouthbreathers think Josh Hamilton is in the Top 10 in the AL?"

[Little Slide Rooter]

I wouldnt underestimate how much teams would be willing to part with for an ace pitcher like Peavey. The term ace is thrown around losely these days when simply refering to a teams number 1 starter. It should be a pitcher that has establised over time that they can repeatedly be their teams go to guy. I would not refer to guys like Lowe or Buerhle as aces, simply because they are their teams number 1 starter, or Dempster because he had a good year. The list of aces includes, to me

 

Peavy

Santana

Halladay

Sabathia

Beckett

Oswalt

Webb

 

Pitchers tht could be:

Zambrno if he could keep his emotuons in check

 

Harden, Sheets, and Carpenter if they could stay healthy for any length of time

 

The there are guys like Hamels, Cliff Lee, Liriano, and Lincecom that appear to be well on their way, but even they need a bit longer before they can truely be established as aces.

[Mephistopheles]

why do all you mouthbreathers think Johan Santana is a lot better than Jake Peavy?

[ELCABALLO45]

why do all you mouthbreathers think Johan Santana is a lot better than Jake Peavy?

 

Santana pitched before this year in the AL, which everyone can agree is the harder league to pitch in.

 

Santana's avg. over the last 5 years.

 

2.82 ERA

238 K's

1.022 WHIP

 

Since becoming a full time starter, Santana has not had a ERA over 3.33. He guarentees you 30 starts a year.

 

Santana is the best pitcher in baseball. Its not a rip of Jake the Great its just.. Its Johan.

 

And I know you are a stat geek or whatever so don't freak out me please.

Edited October 18, 2008 by ELCABALLO45

[SouthSideRyan]

why do all you mouthbreathers think Johan Santana is a lot better than Jake Peavy?

 

Top of my head it'd be that Santana's been better.

[imb]

Yeah, but what I am supposed to say when people are agreeing with this kind of thing for no reason? You want hyperbole? Here it is, if Santana's home park was Petco his season ERA would be 0.59.

 

People in this thread who said Peavy was as good or better than Santana: Meph, Rob

 

People in this thread who expressed reservations about trading for Peavy, and/or disagreed with Meph/Rob's characterization of him: I don't want to go back and count, it's over half a dozen.

 

You're embarrassing yourself with this over-the-top "what is wrong with everyone why does everyone think this thing that is clearly wrong and I must bombastically correct you for the error of your ways" schtick.

 

You're exaggerating. Over half a dozen? I think not. That is over the top. You may call it bombastic posting, but if you feel strongly about a subject I don't see a reason to put a little verve into it, instead of everyone trying to out Spock/robot each other. Plus, in order to get embarrassed I would have to care about the reputation of this little internet persona, which I don't. I basically get ganged up on about petty nonsense in nearly every thread I post in, oh no, I'm not proclaiming Jay Jackson is Tim Lincecum just yet, I'm such a negative guy, everybody pile on.

 

That's part of what I don't like about these boards, what starts as a one-on-one disagreement turns into 7 people taking cheap shots at you personally instead of your argument. I just wish there was less damn posturing. Uh-oh, somebody thinks the fact that Josh Hamilton recovered from drug addiction does not make him a better baseball player than if he never took drugs in the first place! Better send out 10 guys with "internet tough guy" attitudes to deal with the problem.

 

i love the way you just make up these "prevailing board attitudes" on completely random topics. i can't decide if you're just a really bad poster with a need to be persecuted or perhaps the greatest troll in nsbb history

 

You're kind of proving his point right there. Just sayin...

 

people "pile on him" because he attributes statements to people incorrectly and because he's wrong quite often. that's not piling on, that's called correcting.

[Jehrico]

why do all you mouthbreathers think Johan Santana is a lot better than Jake Peavy?

I think the air must be getting thin up there at the top of your soapbox you like to preach from.

 

Santana has a better WHIPs and ERAs over his career and over the last three years, despite most of that being in the AL where they have the DH, while Peavy has benefitted from pitching in Petco, where even Maddux was able to put up an ERA under 4 this year. Santana's ERA +s are better across the board, whether you're talking career or 3 year average. It was only 3 years ago Peavy managed an ERA+ of 99 and an ERA over four (not an injury shortened season, he logged over 200 IP). Santana's one "bad" season since becoming a full-time pitcher resulted in a 3.33 ERA and an ERA+ of 130 in 2007. They have comparable BABIPs recently, which helps reduce the "luck" factor. Considering you pride yourself in being a statistical geek, pls show us what stats prove that Peavy is such a lopsided choice as the better pitcher between the two that justifies calling everyone else "mouth breathers?" That comment was uncalled for, especially in this discussion. Sometimes your attitude on this message board rivals what I'd expect from someone in real life going through a 'roid rage.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Considering you pride yourself in being a statistical geek, pls show us what stats prove that Peavy is such a lopsided choice as the better pitcher between the two that justifies calling everyone else "mouth breathers?" That comment was uncalled for, especially in this discussion. Sometimes your attitude on this message board rivals what I'd expect from someone in real life going through a 'roid rage.

 

He was joking, playing off my last post in this thread.

[SouthSideRyan]

whoops.

 

woosh.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Towers is looking for pitching...some major league ready and some close to major league ready.

 

Link.

 

“I would say our preference is pitching,” Towers said. “Probably next, it would be middle of the infield. Pitching more than anything. If we moved Jake, we'd look for controllable pitchers, preferably starters in a significant enough package to where some are major league ready and some are close to being major league ready.

 

“It's got to be something we're excited about short term and longer term that makes us better, and I'd say pitching is our primary focus. If we move Jake, we're down to (starting pitchers) Chris Young and Cha Seung Baek. We've got a lot of good young positional players.

 

Marshall, Hill, Fontenot, and Pie anyone?

[Keener98]

Marshall could do quite well in Petco

[BigbadB]

Towers is looking for pitching...some major league ready and some close to major league ready.

 

Link.

 

“I would say our preference is pitching,” Towers said. “Probably next, it would be middle of the infield. Pitching more than anything. If we moved Jake, we'd look for controllable pitchers, preferably starters in a significant enough package to where some are major league ready and some are close to being major league ready.

 

“It's got to be something we're excited about short term and longer term that makes us better, and I'd say pitching is our primary focus. If we move Jake, we're down to (starting pitchers) Chris Young and Cha Seung Baek. We've got a lot of good young positional players.

 

Marshall, Hill, Fontenot, and Pie anyone?

 

Take out Fontenot and put in Theriot. San Diego wants to experiment with speed. Maybe even add a bullpen arm of some sort and get Greene added to the deal.

 

As much as we realize that Theriot doesn't provide all that much value, other teams see a guy who hit second most of the year on a team that led the league in runs scored with a decent batting average and OBP.

 

Between the injuries and low BA, San Diego is ready to move on with Greene.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Towers is looking for pitching...some major league ready and some close to major league ready.

 

Link.

 

“I would say our preference is pitching,” Towers said. “Probably next, it would be middle of the infield. Pitching more than anything. If we moved Jake, we'd look for controllable pitchers, preferably starters in a significant enough package to where some are major league ready and some are close to being major league ready.

 

“It's got to be something we're excited about short term and longer term that makes us better, and I'd say pitching is our primary focus. If we move Jake, we're down to (starting pitchers) Chris Young and Cha Seung Baek. We've got a lot of good young positional players.

 

Marshall, Hill, Fontenot, and Pie anyone?

 

Take out Fontenot and put in Theriot. San Diego wants to experiment with speed. Maybe even add a bullpen arm of some sort and get Greene added to the deal.

 

As much as we realize that Theriot doesn't provide all that much value, other teams see a guy who hit second most of the year on a team that led the league in runs scored with a decent batting average and OBP.

 

Between the injuries and low BA, San Diego is ready to move on with Greene.

 

If we're going to include Theriot, I'd prefer to try to sign Furcal or Renteria than use Greene.

[Sammy Sofa]

Towers is looking for pitching...some major league ready and some close to major league ready.

 

Link.

 

“I would say our preference is pitching,” Towers said. “Probably next, it would be middle of the infield. Pitching more than anything. If we moved Jake, we'd look for controllable pitchers, preferably starters in a significant enough package to where some are major league ready and some are close to being major league ready.

 

“It's got to be something we're excited about short term and longer term that makes us better, and I'd say pitching is our primary focus. If we move Jake, we're down to (starting pitchers) Chris Young and Cha Seung Baek. We've got a lot of good young positional players.

 

Marshall, Hill, Fontenot, and Pie anyone?

 

Take out Fontenot and put in Theriot. San Diego wants to experiment with speed. Maybe even add a bullpen arm of some sort and get Greene added to the deal.

 

As much as we realize that Theriot doesn't provide all that much value, other teams see a guy who hit second most of the year on a team that led the league in runs scored with a decent batting average and OBP.

 

Between the injuries and low BA, San Diego is ready to move on with Greene.

 

If we're going to include Theriot, I'd prefer to try to sign Furcal or Renteria than use Greene.

 

Agreed, but a lot of this is based on it sounding like the Padres are trying to include Greene in whatever deal they do for Peavy.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Towers is looking for pitching...some major league ready and some close to major league ready.

 

Link.

 

“I would say our preference is pitching,” Towers said. “Probably next, it would be middle of the infield. Pitching more than anything. If we moved Jake, we'd look for controllable pitchers, preferably starters in a significant enough package to where some are major league ready and some are close to being major league ready.

 

“It's got to be something we're excited about short term and longer term that makes us better, and I'd say pitching is our primary focus. If we move Jake, we're down to (starting pitchers) Chris Young and Cha Seung Baek. We've got a lot of good young positional players.

 

Marshall, Hill, Fontenot, and Pie anyone?

 

Take out Fontenot and put in Theriot. San Diego wants to experiment with speed. Maybe even add a bullpen arm of some sort and get Greene added to the deal.

 

As much as we realize that Theriot doesn't provide all that much value, other teams see a guy who hit second most of the year on a team that led the league in runs scored with a decent batting average and OBP.

 

Between the injuries and low BA, San Diego is ready to move on with Greene.

 

If we're going to include Theriot, I'd prefer to try to sign Furcal or Renteria than use Greene.

 

Agreed, but a lot of this is based on it sounding like the Padres are trying to include Greene in whatever deal they do for Peavy.

 

If that's the case, I'd do the deal with Greene. I'd still try to get Furcal and then move Greene if we had to.

[erik316wttn]

At least he'd waive his NTC to come here. That's at least a start.

 

I'd trade anyone in our system for him, and if we can get him without giving up Marmol, I'd be giddy.

 

Peavy/Z/Harden? Yes, please.

[Jehrico]

Considering you pride yourself in being a statistical geek, pls show us what stats prove that Peavy is such a lopsided choice as the better pitcher between the two that justifies calling everyone else "mouth breathers?" That comment was uncalled for, especially in this discussion. Sometimes your attitude on this message board rivals what I'd expect from someone in real life going through a 'roid rage.

 

He was joking, playing off my last post in this thread.

The post fit his mo...and I ignore badnews, and missed all of the background, so..... :oops:

[Little Slide Rooter]

As Ive said before, I find it unlikely that we land him, but I just hope that Hendry at least gives Towers a call and gets some preliminary discussions going. Cant hurt to make an offer.

[rawaction]

Considering you pride yourself in being a statistical geek, pls show us what stats prove that Peavy is such a lopsided choice as the better pitcher between the two that justifies calling everyone else "mouth breathers?" That comment was uncalled for, especially in this discussion. Sometimes your attitude on this message board rivals what I'd expect from someone in real life going through a 'roid rage.

 

He was joking, playing off my last post in this thread.

 

I don't think he was joking. And he did say that he didn't think Santana was "A LOT" better than Peavy. And he's right.