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We all know how the Cards tend to get career/flukey seasons out of guys, but do we really have any room to complain about that this season? I mean, consider some of the numbers we're getting from some extremely unexpected sources.

 

Ryan Dempster- 13-5, 2.92, 1.16 (!?!), 139/62

Ryan Theriot- .314/.390/.372

Jim effing Edmonds- .273/.374/.597

 

You could also mention guys like Fontenot and Samardzija. I mean, can you believe the numbers we're getting out of those first 3 guys? How improbable is that? Jim Edmonds OPSing nearly 1.000 in a good chunk of at-bats? Dempster having a Cy Young type season? Ryan Theriot being the toughest out on the team? What is happening?

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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

Ah but the differnece is I hate the Cardinals players and I love our players

 

Also we don't have a single player with a name more horribly annoying than Skip Schumacker.

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Accept it, the Cardinals are good, at least offensively.

 

Ludwick was a late bloomer (Soto)

Glaus was a former 40 HR player (Edmonds)

Schumacher is getting his first full season of playing time (Theriot)

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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

 

I'd say they are about equally improbable.

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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

 

I'd say they are about equally improbable.

 

Why Dempster? He was an All-Star with the Marlins before. There's still some time left, he could fade a bit and we could see an increase in his WHIP. I don't know is he on pace for the same amount of Walks and K's as his AS year? I don't see what's so shocking with him though, other than his really nice WHIP. I mean, we're comparing our guys to the Cards comparable guys, what's more shocking, Lohse, Wellemeyer and Looper....or Dempster?

 

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+

2000 23 FLA NL  14  10  33  33   2   1   0  0  226.3  210  102   92  30   97  209   5   4   974   7   0  3.66  4.41  120 1.356 AS

2008 31 CHC NL  13   5  25  25   1   0   0  0  157.3  121   58   51  11   62  139   6   5   647   0   0  2.92  4.50  154 1.163

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It's improbable because his career ERA (after 10 seasons) is 4.61 and his career WHIP is 1.50 and this year its 2.92 and 1.16.
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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

 

I'd say they are about equally improbable.

 

Why Dempster? He was an All-Star with the Marlins before.

 

The fact that he was an AS is meaningless. He's never pitched like he's pitched this year. He's on pace for a career year at 31, which isn't all that crazy, but, he's doing so 5 years after he last started.

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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

 

I'd say they are about equally improbable.

 

Why Dempster? He was an All-Star with the Marlins before. There's still some time left, he could fade a bit and we could see an increase in his WHIP. I don't know is he on pace for the same amount of Walks and K's as his AS year? I don't see what's so shocking with him though, other than his really nice WHIP. I mean, we're comparing our guys to the Cards comparable guys, what's more shocking, Lohse, Wellemeyer and Looper....or Dempster?

 

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+

2000 23 FLA NL  14  10  33  33   2   1   0  0  226.3  210  102   92  30   97  209   5   4   974   7   0  3.66  4.41  120 1.356 AS

2008 31 CHC NL  13   5  25  25   1   0   0  0  157.3  121   58   51  11   62  139   6   5   647   0   0  2.92  4.50  154 1.163

 

9 out of 10 NSBBers didn't even want Dempster to sniff the rotation this year before Spring Training started. No one could predict Dempster to be this good. Not even his own mother.

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Ryan Theriot being the toughest out on the team says more about how mediocre Derrek Lee has been this year than about Theriot, but we have gotten our fair share of breaks this year.

 

Cardinals are still more ridiculous though.

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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

 

I'd say they are about equally improbable.

 

Why Dempster? He was an All-Star with the Marlins before.

 

The fact that he was an AS is meaningless. He's never pitched like he's pitched this year. He's on pace for a career year at 31, which isn't all that crazy, but, he's doing so 5 years after he last started.

 

Ok, so the Cubs are just as fortunate and lucky as the Cards, and we have the championships to prove it.

SouthSideRyan MVP

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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

 

I'd say they are about equally improbable.

 

Why Dempster? He was an All-Star with the Marlins before.

 

The fact that he was an AS is meaningless. He's never pitched like he's pitched this year. He's on pace for a career year at 31, which isn't all that crazy, but, he's doing so 5 years after he last started.

 

Ok, so the Cubs are just as fortunate and lucky as the Cards, and we have the championships to prove it.

 

Seems you're saying the Cubs haven't won a lot of championships is because of bad luck rather than a whole lot of incompetence.

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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

 

I'd say they are about equally improbable.

 

Why Dempster? He was an All-Star with the Marlins before.

 

The fact that he was an AS is meaningless. He's never pitched like he's pitched this year. He's on pace for a career year at 31, which isn't all that crazy, but, he's doing so 5 years after he last started.

 

Ok, so the Cubs are just as fortunate and lucky as the Cards, and we have the championships to prove it.

 

Seems you're saying the Cubs haven't won a lot of championships is because of bad luck rather than a whole lot of incompetence.

 

Or, it seems that many people want to suggest that the Cubs catch as many breaks, and receive the same amount of unpredictable 'good' fortune as the Cards. Good fortune and luck associated with the Cubs is an absurdity.

SouthSideRyan MVP

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yes, we can still complain. Our players are no where near as improbable as theirs

 

I think the seasons from Dempster and Edmonds are way more improbable than the seasons guys like Ludwick and Lohse are having.

 

I'd say they are about equally improbable.

 

Why Dempster? He was an All-Star with the Marlins before.

 

The fact that he was an AS is meaningless. He's never pitched like he's pitched this year. He's on pace for a career year at 31, which isn't all that crazy, but, he's doing so 5 years after he last started.

 

Ok, so the Cubs are just as fortunate and lucky as the Cards, and we have the championships to prove it.

 

Seems you're saying the Cubs haven't won a lot of championships is because of bad luck rather than a whole lot of incompetence.

 

Or, it seems that many people want to suggest that the Cubs catch as many breaks, and receive the same amount of unpredictable 'good' fortune as the Cards. Good fortune and luck associated with the Cubs is an absurdity.

 

Don Denkinger.

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I complained about their luck for the first couple months, but now I just have come to realize that LaRussa is a great manager.

 

43-43.

 

Seen this reference before, what does it mean?

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Don Denkinger.

 

Heh..what WS game did the Cubs get a bad call in lately? Oh, and 2006 Cards is my counter. I can't be the only one that remembers they have the worst WSC team of all time.

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I complained about their luck for the first couple months, but now I just have come to realize that LaRussa is a great manager.

 

43-43.

 

Seen this reference before, what does it mean?

 

Cardinals record in their last 86 games.

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