Should The Cubs Resign Edmonds?

[Ski]

So, since Jimmy Ballgame has been doing so well as a Cub, should we resign him? Obviously, he's at the end of his career, but maybe he has one or two good years ahead of him.

 

I'd definitely be fore signing him for a one year deal after 08, maybe two years.

[NCCubFan]

Yes, to a one-year deal as Pie's backup and insurance.

[Guest]

It would have to be a one year deal and it would depend on the money he asks for. I wouldn't give him more than a couple million, maybe even less than that considering he's breaking down this year health-wise.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Yes, to a one-year deal as Pie's backup and insurance.

 

The question is, how many outfielders do we need? Kosuke and Soriano are the obvious. I cant see Reed Johnson not coming back, and then theres Pie. Its too early to give up on Pie, so he'll have ST to earn a job. Then theres Daryle Wards job, the first guy off the bench. Obviously, Wards gone next season. So do you give Edmonds a few million dollars to do that job, or use the much cheaper Hoffpauir for it?

[rawaction]

I voted no, because Hell no was not an option.

 

This is Gary Gaetti all over again. You don't re-sign a guy near 40 when everybody thought he was done in May. There's a reason everyone thought he was done. Because he's pretty close to it. Granted, he's been great with the Cubs, but so was Gaetti. He would probably be pretty much guaranteed a starting spot, because of what he's done this year. That's not a good idea.

[Mizzou]

At this point, I'm saying yes to a one year incentive laced deal. The Edmonds/Johnson platoon is working too well to abandon it and hope (yet again) that Felix Pie can hit at this level. What if he doesn't hit (again) next year? Then you're in the same situation as this year, and probably aren't going to get as lucky with dumpster diving as they did with Edmonds.

 

Pie isn't doing anything in AAA. He had a chance up here and didn't perform. So he got sent down, and isn't performing down there either. He shouldn't be rewarded with a promotion as a result. If Edmonds is cheap enough, sign him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I wouldn't mind signing Edmonds to a deal that replaces Ward's in dollars at something like 1.2-1.5 million. That's a deal that would allow us to cut ties if needed, but if he's still productive in a limited role, we could take advantage of that.

 

I'm not sure if Edmonds would come back with that kind of deal, but if he would, I think that deal would be appropriate.

[Vanilla Ice]

No, and Pie is starting to turn it around in Iowa IIRC. Replace Edmonds with Pie. Keep Johnson and properly platoon Johnson and Pie, not what we saw this year. If this does not work move Fuku to CF and trade for a big bat at some point. Hoffpauir can replace Ward. I want to save the money to resign Dempster and/or Wood.

[dew1679666265]

While it wouldn't be the worst thing Hendry could do, I voted not to bring him back.

 

Like others have said, keep Reed and platoon him with Pie and save the extra million or so to help other areas of need.

[Guest]

Pie isn't doing anything in AAA. He had a chance up here and didn't perform. So he got sent down, and isn't performing down there either. He shouldn't be rewarded with a promotion as a result. If Edmonds is cheap enough, sign him.

 

I didn't realize .331/.364/.522/.886 since june was nothing in AAA.

 

And I'm with raw, this is Gary Gaetti part 2.

[mhuber92211]

i would rather just trade for David DeJesus

[Vanilla Ice]

Pie isn't doing anything in AAA. He had a chance up here and didn't perform. So he got sent down, and isn't performing down there either. He shouldn't be rewarded with a promotion as a result. If Edmonds is cheap enough, sign him.

 

I didn't realize .331/.364/.522/.886 since june was nothing in AAA.

 

And I'm with raw, this is Gary Gaetti part 2.

I agree with you that Edmonds should not be resigned and I really like Pie, but I want to play devil's advocate a little bit on Pie. That IsoD is still bad, and an .886 OPS in that league isn't that impressive given that it is his second year in AAA.

[SouthSideRyan]

Pie isn't doing anything in AAA. He had a chance up here and didn't perform. So he got sent down, and isn't performing down there either. He shouldn't be rewarded with a promotion as a result. If Edmonds is cheap enough, sign him.

 

I didn't realize .331/.364/.522/.886 since june was nothing in AAA.

 

And I'm with raw, this is Gary Gaetti part 2.

 

I didn't realize Felix had a chance up here.

[SouthSideRyan]

Felix Pie is 23 years old. Our current lineup when they were 23.

 

Soriano: .281/.336/.474 over 500 PAs at Rookie, AA, and AAA ball. Majority of ABs came at AA

Theriot: .249/.347/.296 398 PAs time split pretty evenly between A and AA

Lee: .283/.341/.516 in 369 PAs at AAA, .206/.263/.326 in 239 PAs at majors

Ramirez: .300/.350/.536 in the majors

Kosuke: 253/.350/.446 in Japan's Central League. (For reference, this is ~150 OPS points below his career Japanese #s. With his career Japanese #s being about 150 points higher than his #s this season.)

DeRosa: .267/.351/.384 in AA, 3 PAs in the big leagues.

Edmonds: .246/.270/.344 in 63 big league PAs, .315 .385 .492 in AAA.

Soto: .200/.231/.240 in 26 big league PAs, .272 .353 .386 in AAA

 

Pie at 23 has a .222/.286/.286 in the big leagues. And a .285/.331/.471 in AAA.

[CubFanPhilly]

Pie/Johnson next season. Hoffpauir replaces Ward. Pie should get the majority of time to the trade deadline. If he's struggling and there's no suitable replacement, you address the problem then.

 

Unless new ownership is in place and payroll is bumped significantly, there is a serious crunch this off season.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm starting to think payroll is not going to be a problem next season. If someone is willing to pay over a billion dollars for the team, I doubt they risk that investment by cutting payroll.

[CubFanPhilly]

I'm starting to think payroll is not going to be a problem next season. If someone is willing to pay over a billion dollars for the team, I doubt they risk that investment by cutting payroll.

 

It depends on how much debt a buyer takes on to match or beat Cuban. How much risk would there be? Is attendence going to drop 10-15%? I doubt it. That's how much it'd have to drop before freezing payroll is a bad economic decision (in the short run).

 

Assume a buyer plans to run the team at least cashflow neutral. A buyer with cash could increase payroll $25-35 mil. A buyer financing 25% of the transaction would have to freeze payroll to do it.

 

Even if they merely keep payroll the same as 2008, you're looking at losing Dempster and Wood. I doubt they'd freeze payroll, but I'd rather have Wood and Dempster signed than Edmonds (unless he's willing to take a <$3 mil. 1-year deal

[sneakypower]

Pie isn't doing anything in AAA. He had a chance up here and didn't perform. So he got sent down, and isn't performing down there either. He shouldn't be rewarded with a promotion as a result. If Edmonds is cheap enough, sign him.

 

I didn't realize .331/.364/.522/.886 since june was nothing in AAA.

 

And I'm with raw, this is Gary Gaetti part 2.

 

and just 24 K in 174 AB

 

he shortened up his swing and his production has really benefitted

[rocket]

despite him being awesome this year. he's still almost 40, injury prone, has had declining numbers up until he put on cubbie blue, and is losing it defensively. tell jim thanks a lot and that he's welcome to sing the 7th inning stretch whenever he wants, but to find employment elsewhere.

[treebird]

will he sign for next to nothing? will we be willing to cut him loose without thinking twice?

 

say yes to both of those and i'm all for it. i'd be surprised to satisfy either of those requirements, though.

[imb]

look, i love geo and all, but he's rookie and sometimes his mascara runs so what im thinking is we sign edmonds to be a lefty bat off the bench AND a personal stylist. like greg maddux mentored our young pitchers, edmonds can mentor soto

[USSoccer]

Reed Johnson can platoon with Pie if we absolutely must hinder him any more.

 

Unless Edmonds wants bench player money, we give him his ham and say thank you so much.

[Skyballer]

It would be nice to sign him to a one year deal and be willing to cut loose if it doesn't work out next year. Other wise, we thank him very much for his help in making the Cubs 2008 World Series Champions.

[Bote McBoteface]

I'd do it just to see that creepy youtube cardinal fan get mad. That's worth a few mil to me.

 

 

I'll vote no though. The Cubs have ADD or something when it comes to managing position player prospects, time to focus on actually getting Pie at bats after this.

[Rob]

will he sign for next to nothing? will we be willing to cut him loose without thinking twice?

 

say yes to both of those and i'm all for it. i'd be surprised to satisfy either of those requirements, though.

 

My thoughts exactly.