Harden at the top of Cubs wish list

[BCVM22]

If for nothing else, to watch the '"Harden-Wood" combo dominate NL hitters.

 

Best box score phrase since [Dave] Bush was relieved by [brandon] League? It could be.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Harden went 5.2 IP, 5 H, 2 BB, 5 K, 1 R tonight vs the Fish.

[Rob]

Harden went 5.2 IP, 5 H, 2 BB, 5 K, 1 R tonight vs the Fish.

 

And that's actually a letdown compared to his previous starts.

[9YRPLAN]

hill is done. i watched him tonight in dsm and he didnt get out of the first. his mechanics are completely effed. he just looks awkward.

[JimSorgi]

hill is done. i watched him tonight in dsm and he didnt get out of the first. his mechanics are completely effed. he just looks awkward.

wrong thread

[badnews]

I have a hard time believing Hill is really finished. I don't really give a crap about Jose Ceda though, throw him in.

[Amazing_Grace]

I'm not entirely sure why Beane would even be willing to deal a young pitcher that's been very good when healthy, unless he was convinced that he wasn't going to be healthy that often. If Beane doesn't think the chance of him staying off the DL is worth the risk, I'm not sure I do either. We've been down this road before. Mediocre and healthy is better than great but can't stay off the DL.

[UMFan83]

I'm not entirely sure why Beane would even be willing to deal a young pitcher that's been very good when healthy, unless he was convinced that he wasn't going to be healthy that often. If Beane doesn't think the chance of him staying off the DL is worth the risk, I'm not sure I do either. We've been down this road before. Mediocre and healthy is better than great but can't stay off the DL.

 

He's nearing the end of his arby years and will cost a lot more after the season.

[Elrhino]

I don't think Beane has a magic crystal ball on Harden's longterm health outlook, any more than anyone else. When you have a tight payroll to work with you are forced to be more skeptical and pessimistic on these matters.

 

I would imagine Murt would have a lot more value with Beane than he would with most clubs.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't think Beane has a magic crystal ball on Harden's longterm health outlook, any more than anyone else. When you have a tight payroll to work with you are forced to be more skeptical and pessimistic on these matters.

 

I would imagine Murt would have a lot more value with Beane than he would with most clubs.

 

I'm not sure about that. Beane values defense right now more than just about any other club out there. I'd bet Oakland has very mixed feelings on Murton. Sure, they'll jump on him if they feel he is undervalued, but I doubt they have that high of a value on him.

[Elrhino]

He likes defense because he believes it's undervalued and he can get it cheaply on the market. That doesn't mean he doesn't realize the importance of OBP, it's just hard to find cheap OBP production currently. Murton just happens to provide cheap OBP production.

[CubColtPacer]

He likes defense because he believes it's undervalued and he can get it cheaply on the market. That doesn't mean he doesn't realize the importance of OBP, it's just hard to find cheap OBP production currently. Murton just happens to provide cheap OBP production.

 

On one of the easiest positions on the field to provide cheaply, and Murton isn't dirt cheap for too much longer. I just don't think Beane would assign a lot of value to him, especially since Murton isn't really the type of player that Beane could spin in a year or two as he became more expensive.

[Jehrico]

He likes defense because he believes it's undervalued and he can get it cheaply on the market. That doesn't mean he doesn't realize the importance of OBP, it's just hard to find cheap OBP production currently. Murton just happens to provide cheap OBP production.

 

On one of the easiest positions on the field to provide cheaply, and Murton isn't dirt cheap for too much longer. I just don't think Beane would assign a lot of value to him, especially since Murton isn't really the type of player that Beane could spin in a year or two as he became more expensive.

Murton isn't on pace for a big payday just yet. Beane would probably be very happy if he could get him for a couple of years at near league min cost and he put up production worthy of a big payday in a couple of years.

[Amazing_Grace]

I'm not entirely sure why Beane would even be willing to deal a young pitcher that's been very good when healthy, unless he was convinced that he wasn't going to be healthy that often. If Beane doesn't think the chance of him staying off the DL is worth the risk, I'm not sure I do either. We've been down this road before. Mediocre and healthy is better than great but can't stay off the DL.

 

He's nearing the end of his arby years and will cost a lot more after the season.

 

Well, that being the case, wouldn't we then be trading for a guy who may not help us this year due to injuries and will be a very well paid injured player after this season. Beane is not an idiot. If he thought Harden could stay healthy, he'd hold him this year, pay him the 7M next year, and then trade him for a king's ransom after he'd been healthy for the better part of 2 seasons. I'm sorry but this has Mark Prior part 2 written all over it.

[Post Count Padder]

I had a dream last night in which Hendry convinced Beane to trade Harden and a PTBNL for Pie and Veal.

 

If only.

[Brett]

I don't see Beane being particularly interested in Pie. Good defense, sure, but otherwise, doesn't seem his kind of player. Sure, I imagine he'd take him - but not as the centerpiece to a Harden deal.

 

I think the first guy Beane would ask for is Gallagher.

[RedFlash]

FWIW;

In Ken Rosenthal latest video blog, he mentions that the A's could suddenly become buyers.

[Guancous]

Time for me to start rooting against the A's.

[inari]

I don't see Beane being particularly interested in Pie. Good defense, sure, but otherwise, doesn't seem his kind of player. Sure, I imagine he'd take him - but not as the centerpiece to a Harden deal.

 

I think the first guy Beane would ask for is Gallagher.

 

I am not down for giving up Gallagher for well, anything short of an ace. I'm pretty confident he's going to develop into a very solid pitcher. ~115 ERA+ consistently type solid

[RynoRules]

I don't see Beane being particularly interested in Pie. Good defense, sure, but otherwise, doesn't seem his kind of player. Sure, I imagine he'd take him - but not as the centerpiece to a Harden deal.

 

I think the first guy Beane would ask for is Gallagher.

 

I am not down for giving up Gallagher for well, anything short of an ace. I'm pretty confident he's going to develop into a very solid pitcher. ~115 ERA+ consistently type solid

 

I agree. To me, Gallagher projects as a solid 4th starter. Harden has no. 1 stuff but no. 3 reliability. Accordingly, dealing Gallagher and others for him makes little sense.

[Tyrant]

FWIW;

In Ken Rosenthal latest video blog, he mentions that the A's could suddenly become buyers.

 

They're only 4.5 games out. I'm not sure why people think they want to trade their best pitcher. I'm also not sure why we'd be willing to give up much of anything for a guy who has averaged 15 starts per season over the last four years.

[Jehrico]

FWIW;

In Ken Rosenthal latest video blog, he mentions that the A's could suddenly become buyers.

 

They're only 4.5 games out. I'm not sure why people think they want to trade their best pitcher. I'm also not sure why we'd be willing to give up much of anything for a guy who has averaged 15 starts per season over the last four years.

Beane was burned on the Giambi deal, and he hasn't let another player walk via FA since. If he doesn't think he can afford to resign him in the offseason, he'll be dealt, unless they're looking like strong WS contenders, and not just a borderline playoff team.

[Tyrant]

FWIW;

In Ken Rosenthal latest video blog, he mentions that the A's could suddenly become buyers.

 

They're only 4.5 games out. I'm not sure why people think they want to trade their best pitcher. I'm also not sure why we'd be willing to give up much of anything for a guy who has averaged 15 starts per season over the last four years.

Beane was burned on the Giambi deal, and he hasn't let another player walk via FA since. If he doesn't think he can afford to resign him in the offseason, he'll be dealt, unless they're looking like strong WS contenders, and not just a borderline playoff team.

 

Beane knows as well as anyone can win the WS once they make the playoffs. If he thinks they can get in, he's not going to trade away Harden.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

FWIW;

In Ken Rosenthal latest video blog, he mentions that the A's could suddenly become buyers.

 

They're only 4.5 games out. I'm not sure why people think they want to trade their best pitcher. I'm also not sure why we'd be willing to give up much of anything for a guy who has averaged 15 starts per season over the last four years.

Beane was burned on the Giambi deal, and he hasn't let another player walk via FA since. If he doesn't think he can afford to resign him in the offseason, he'll be dealt, unless they're looking like strong WS contenders, and not just a borderline playoff team.

 

Beane knows as well as anyone can win the WS once they make the playoffs. If he thinks they can get in, he's not going to trade away Harden.

 

He also has 5 starters with ERA's under 4, plus Blanton, and an offense that will keep them out of the playoffs if they don't add to it. We might not be able to give them what they need though.

[BleacherBadger]

If for nothing else, to watch the '"Harden-Wood" combo dominate NL hitters.

 

Best box score phrase since [Dave] Bush was relieved by [brandon] League? It could be.

 

Best actual Cubs box score phrase: (Rocky) Cherry replaced by (Felix) Pie. Cherry-Pie