Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[Andy]

Well, that Providence win over Pitt, it's safe to say, is extremely damaging to Notre Dame. Providence was a bubble team at best before, but now they're ahead of ND in the Big East pecking order. And lots of people think there's no way the tourney takes more than 8 Big East teams regardless if more are deserving, lest they screw up the pod system, so this could be bad.

[SouthSideRyan]

If the tourney doesn't take 9 Big East teams it's because there aren't 9 deserving teams.

 

Do 2 of Notre Dame, Providence, and Cincinnati really belong?

[Derwood]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

[gflore34]

we could have really used evan turner.

 

Yeah, Illinois would be dynamic this year if they had Turner. Guy's a stud.

 

I like to look to the future and think players like Turner will no longer escape Weber.

 

Yes, I know, many of us Illini fans continue to talk about the future but, recruits aside, in McCamey, Tisdale, Davis and even Legion - go ahead and dismiss him now - the Illini are going to be damn good.

[Magnetic Curses]

we could have really used evan turner.

 

Yeah, Illinois would be dynamic this year if they had Turner. Guy's a stud.

 

I like to look to the future and think players like Turner will no longer escape Weber.

 

Yes, I know, many of us Illini fans continue to talk about the future but, recruits aside, in McCamey, Tisdale, Davis and even Legion - go ahead and dismiss him now - the Illini are going to be damn good.

 

i think jereme richmond will be an evan turner-like, do-it-all player for us.

[Exile on Waveland]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[TruffleShuffle]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

if they got in trouble for paying their players, they wouldn't be a force. goes both ways.

[Keener98]

Heh Good ol Indiana....

 

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090224/SPORTS0601/902240436/1069

 

Those damn Hoosiers and their phones......

[CubColtPacer]

Heh Good ol Indiana....

 

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090224/SPORTS0601/902240436/1069

 

Those damn Hoosiers and their phones......

 

My guess is that 9 of the 11 schools in the Big 10 have had that same report during the last year. It happened to be in the press this time (2 months after the self-punishment) because of the troubles IU got in before. For a normal school, it's not news worthy.

[Guest]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

They knew what they were getting when they recruited these one-and-done players.

 

You have to plan accordingly if you are going to acquire these types of talents, knowing they will only be around for one year.

 

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

if they got in trouble for paying their players, they wouldn't be a force. goes both ways.

 

Does the NCAA actually punish big time BCS schools?

[SouthSideRyan]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

if they got in trouble for paying their players, they wouldn't be a force. goes both ways.

 

Has this even been suggested anywhere with regards to basketball?

 

And even if what CCP said is true(doesn't seem to be based on much other than the fact that yes, many schools self-report minor violations), it doesn't change that it's colossally stupid for Indiana to make even 1 mistake with regards to phone calls.

[Derwood]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

They knew what they were getting when they recruited these one-and-done players.

 

Oh, of course. It was just funny listening to the OSU fans at the bar last night moan about "this team could've been Turner, Conley Jr., Oden, Koufos, etc."

[Guest]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

They knew what they were getting when they recruited these one-and-done players.

 

Oh, of course. It was just funny listening to the OSU fans at the bar last night moan about "this team could've been Turner, Conley Jr., Oden, Koufos, etc."

 

Wow, they're dumb.

[SouthSideRyan]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

if they got in trouble for paying their players, they wouldn't be a force. goes both ways.

 

Has this even been suggested anywhere with regards to basketball?

 

And even if what CCP said is true(doesn't seem to be based on much other than the fact that yes, many schools self-report minor violations), it doesn't change that it's colossally stupid for Indiana to make even 1 mistake with regards to phone calls.

 

To expand on my point, Indiana is on PROBATION for making excessive phone calls. They made an extra phone call, and self-punished by not making any phone calls during a random week in December. What's the point of probation, if you're still allowed to just decide your own punishment when you break the rules? Why didn't they just dock themselves another scholarship this season as punishment? Or did they use all those up for their horrible APR scores in the coming years?

[Derwood]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

They knew what they were getting when they recruited these one-and-done players.

 

Oh, of course. It was just funny listening to the OSU fans at the bar last night moan about "this team could've been Turner, Conley Jr., Oden, Koufos, etc."

 

Wow, they're dumb.

 

Welcome to Columbus, OH

[CubColtPacer]

If OSU hasn't lost so many players to early NBA entry, they'd be a force.

 

if they got in trouble for paying their players, they wouldn't be a force. goes both ways.

 

Has this even been suggested anywhere with regards to basketball?

 

And even if what CCP said is true(doesn't seem to be based on much other than the fact that yes, many schools self-report minor violations), it doesn't change that it's colossally stupid for Indiana to make even 1 mistake with regards to phone calls.

 

To expand on my point, Indiana is on PROBATION for making excessive phone calls. They made an extra phone call, and self-punished by not making any phone calls during a random week in December. What's the point of probation, if you're still allowed to just decide your own punishment when you break the rules? Why didn't they just dock themselves another scholarship this season as punishment? Or did they use all those up for their horrible APR scores in the coming years?

 

The point of probation is not to handle every single little secondary violation. Otherwise the infractions committee would have to be meeting 25 times a year in order to handle all the problems from the schools on probation. For example when Oregon was put on probation, a public records request found they committed an average of 10 secondary violations per year while on probation, but that was well under the Pac 10 average.

 

Plus Indiana was not put on probation because of the phone calls themselves. They were put on probation primarily because of their failure to properly monitor. In this case, the compliance office caught it quickly, reported it, and took action.

[SouthSideRyan]

Didn't the compliance staff discover all of Sampson's phone calls last year? Didn't they report the violations? And didn't they "punish" IU for it?

 

It's not that difficult to monitor these things. It's amazing to me that a school fresh off last year's nightmare wouldn't be on a coach's ass about keeping records of this stuff.

[CubColtPacer]

Didn't the compliance staff discover all of Sampson's phone calls last year? Didn't they report the violations? And didn't they "punish" IU for it?

 

It's not that difficult to monitor these things. It's amazing to me that a school fresh off last year's nightmare wouldn't be on a coach's ass about keeping records of this stuff.

 

They discovered Sampson's phone calls but it took 8 months or so to do so. The fact that Sampson's staff was able to break the rules over and over again for months before being caught was primarily the reason for the failure to monitor charge.

 

It's somewhat amazing to me too on that second part, but it's one of those things that I've had to grudgingly accept that it seems to be a lot harder to comply every time with NCAA regulations than we would like to believe.

[illiniguy]

I love that they punished themselves during December after the signing period. Kinda like a kid getting in trouble for staying out too late and saying, "mom, dad, I messed up I shouldn't watch TV from 8am to 330pm each weekday."

[CubbieBum]

I love that they punished themselves during December after the signing period. Kinda like a kid getting in trouble for staying out too late and saying, "mom, dad, I messed up I shouldn't watch TV from 8am to 330pm each weekday."

 

I like that analogy. On this topic I'm a bit on the fence. It is a very minor mistake that isn't even news except this is IU. IU punished themselves but only sort of. I think the NCAA should say they are happy IU punished themselves but a random week in December after the signing period isn't enough. The NCAA should take away the phone privileges for a week during signing period.

[ZMovieman]

I know this is a Big Ten heavy board, but what are people's thoughts on Marquette vs. UConn tonight? As a Marquette alum, I'm pumped for the game, and have no idea how the matchup will work itself out. This is truly a backcourt vs. frontcourt game if ever there was one.

[SouthSideRyan]

I like UConn. I still think Marquette is a tad overrated. They're better than I expected them to be at the start of the year, but their record is inflated based on not having played any of the top 3 teams yet, nor have they played Syracuse. They're still protected seed good, but I could easily see a 1-3 finish here.

[SouthSideRyan]

With Marquette and Pitt having a rough last 3/4, Villanova should grab that last double bye.

[Cynosure]

I know I should stay away with Dyson being out and all... but what are your guys' thoughts about UConn @ Marquette tonight?

 

I am thinking Marquette for my Streak For the Cash...

 

UConn #2

Marquette 16-0 at home... damn this one is tough.

 

EDIT: I didn't read before I posted but I guess just continue with the discussion, haha.

[bcl412]

If Michigan State wants to pull off another home loss that would be nice (this one would be really, really bad).