Re: 6/14 Cubs (Marquis) @ BlueJays (Halladay) 12:07CT CSN

[Keener98]

That at bat is why Marmol pitched in the 8th.

Totally unrelated

 

For someone who just called out Howry, you should see the relation

 

No there is no relation at all. Its a differet point in the game. I wasnt clamoring for Howry last inning. But if you think just because Howry gave up a triple there, then he would have if he was brought in in the 8th, then I dont know what to tell you.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wouldn't it be easier to ask which posters OMC's sister hasn't hooked up with?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Howry sucks. I'm glad this is his last year.

[BigSlick]

Release Howry. There are like 4-5 relievers I trust over him.

Well I think thats a tad reactionary, Howry definitely isn't going to be a great reliever for us this year. Oh well, you're not going to have a bunch of aces in your pen, its just not going to happen.

[Bruno7481]

That at bat is why Marmol pitched in the 8th.

Totally unrelated

 

For someone who just called out Howry, you should see the relation

 

No there is no relation at all. Its a differet point in the game. I wasnt clamoring for Howry last inning. But if you think just because Howry gave up a triple there, then he would have if he was brought in in the 8th, then I dont know what to tell you.

 

Quit taking it so literal. Nobody saying he would have given up a triple. They are saying he was a lot more likely to give up a hit compared to Marmol.

[Flames24Rulz]

Cubs win!

 

4 game lead.

[Fred Hornkohl]

BOTTOM OF THE NINTH INNING

 

Howry in to pitch for the CUBS

Mench tripled to center field

Overbay flied out to left field , Mench scored

Barajas popped out to shallow center field

Wilkerson doubled to left center field

Eckstein called out on strikes

 

1 runs 2 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
CUBS            0 4 1 0 1 0 0 0 0              6 11  1
Toronto         0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1              2  6  1

 

CUBS WIN !! CUBS WIN !! CUBS WIN !!

 

W: Marquis (5-3)

S: none

L: Halladay (8-6)

 

T: 2:40

A: 34,048

 

Home runs:

CUBS: Johnson (3)

Toronto: none

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Marquis       7.0  4  1  1  2  1  0  78
Marmol        1.0  0  0  0  1  2  0  20
Howry         1.0  2  1  1  0  1  0  20

 

Toronto        IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Halladay      5.0  7  6  2  1  5  1  95
Tallet        1.7  3  0  0  0  1  0  39
Frasor        1.3  1  0  0  1  0  0  25
Wolfe         1.0  0  0  0  0  0  0   9

 

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[Keener98]

That at bat is why Marmol pitched in the 8th.

Totally unrelated

 

That eighth inning could have been a lot worse with Howry or Leiber. Just saying

 

 

And it could have been just as good with Marquis, Lieber, or Howry. Its a diffent situation, and nobody knows what wouldve happend.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Wouldn't it be easier to ask which posters OMC's sister hasn't hooked up with?

 

She's a modern day Cindy Sandberg.

[Schwarber Fan]

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[Guest]

CUBS WIN!!!

[Fred Hornkohl]

                  CUBS         Toronto
P/PA              3.91            3.47
RBI%              0.18            0.11
R/BR              0.43            0.22
BA               0.275           0.200
OBP              0.326           0.281
SLG              0.400           0.300
OPS              0.726           0.581
ERA               2.00            2.00
BB/9              3.00            2.00
K/9               4.00            6.00

[TMan92]

That at bat is why Marmol pitched in the 8th.

Totally unrelated

 

For someone who just called out Howry, you should see the relation

 

No there is no relation at all. Its a differet point in the game. I wasnt clamoring for Howry last inning. But if you think just because Howry gave up a triple there, then he would have if he was brought in in the 8th, then I dont know what to tell you.

 

Not the triple but the fact that he can't get people out is the problem. I am sure you will pull some stat out of your rear to prove me wrong, but beyond Wood, Marmol and Eyre, the back end of the bullpen is not entirely reliable.

[BigSlick]

Sure took Howry a lot of effort just to get through 3 outs

[illiniguy]

Wouldn't it be easier to ask which posters OMC's sister hasn't hooked up with?

 

She's a modern day Cindy Sandberg.

Does that make Meph Raphael Palmerio?

[Fred Hornkohl]

Saturday 14 June 2008

CUBS @ Toronto

12:05

 

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
CUBS            0 4 1 0 1 0 0 0 0              6 11  1
Toronto         0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1              2  6  1



CUBS
                     ab   r   h rbi  bb   k lob  sb  cs sac gdp   e  2b  3b  hr  sf  hb
Johnson       lf       5   1   1   3   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0
Fukudome      rf       4   0   0   0   1   1   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
D Lee         1b       4   2   3   0   1   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0
Ramirez       dh       5   0   1   0   0   2   5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Edmonds       cf       5   0   2   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0
DeRosa        3b       5   0   1   1   0   0   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Fontenot      2b       4   1   1   0   0   1   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1
Blanco        c        4   1   1   0   0   1   5   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Cedeno        ss       4   1   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0

totals                40   6  11   5   2   6  18   0   0   0   0   1   0   1   1   0   1



Toronto
                     ab   r   h rbi  bb   k lob  sb  cs sac gdp   e  2b  3b  hr  sf  hb
Rios          rf-cf    4   0   0   0   0   1   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Stairs        dh       2   0   0   1   2   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Rolen         3b       3   0   0   0   1   0   4   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0
Wells         cf       3   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0
Mench         lf       1   1   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0
Overbay       1b       3   0   1   1   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   0
Barajas       c        4   1   1   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Wilkerson     lf-rf    3   0   2   0   0   0   2   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0
Eckstein      ss       4   0   1   0   0   1   2   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0
Inglett       2b       3   0   0   0   0   1   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0

totals                30   2   6   2   3   4  16   0   0   0   2   1   1   1   0   1   0



CUBS
                 IP   H   R  ER  BB   K  HR  Pit
Marquis          7.0   4   1   1   2   1   0   78
Marmol           1.0   0   0   0   1   2   0   20
Howry            1.0   2   1   1   0   1   0   20

totals           9.0   6   2   2   3   4   0  118


Toronto
                 IP   H   R  ER  BB   K  HR  Pit
Halladay         5.0   7   6   2   1   5   1   95
Tallet           1.7   3   0   0   0   1   0   39
Frasor           1.3   1   0   0   1   0   0   25

totals           9.0  11   6   2   2   6   1  168



Home runs:
CUBS: Johnson (3)
Toronto: none

W: Marquis (5-3)
S: none
L: Halladay (8-6)

T: 2:40
A: 34,048

 

 

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[TruffleShuffle]

That at bat is why Marmol pitched in the 8th.

Totally unrelated

 

I see your point, but its pretty much a given Howry is more hittable than Marmol.

 

almost every reliever in baseball is more hittable than marmol. nobody is arguing that marmol isn't great, and everyone understands why lou wants to use him all the time, but if you put marmol into the game every time the cubs get into a little trouble, his arm will fall off by september.

[SouthSideRyan]

Release Howry. There are like 4-5 relievers I trust over him.

 

But we have 7 bullpen guys.

 

Howry had a terrible April, he's been very good since then.

[OleMissCub]

Wouldn't it be easier to ask which posters OMC's sister hasn't hooked up with?

 

She's a modern day Cindy Sandberg.

 

She really is a worthless human being. I realize deep down inside that most of my hatred for him comes from jealously, but there is a pretty fair amount of truth to the fact that she is just a terrible person.

[TruffleShuffle]

Release Howry. There are like 4-5 relievers I trust over him.

Well I think thats a tad reactionary, Howry definitely isn't going to be a great reliever for us this year. Oh well, you're not going to have a bunch of aces in your pen, its just not going to happen.

 

only a tad?

[Keener98]

That at bat is why Marmol pitched in the 8th.

Totally unrelated

 

For someone who just called out Howry, you should see the relation

 

No there is no relation at all. Its a differet point in the game. I wasnt clamoring for Howry last inning. But if you think just because Howry gave up a triple there, then he would have if he was brought in in the 8th, then I dont know what to tell you.

 

Quit taking it so literal. Nobody saying he would have given up a triple. They are saying he was a lot more likely to give up a hit compared to Marmol.

 

Like I said you had a 6 run lead, even if they give up a grand slam you still have a 2 run lead with nobody on. Ive backed off my statement regarding Marmol a little since Ive learned he had only thrown 2 innings. However, to say the triple Howry gave up is why Marmol was brought in is unrelated, and irrelevant.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm feeling it this game. Cubs win 6-2.

 

we have a winner

[Keener98]

That at bat is why Marmol pitched in the 8th.

Totally unrelated

 

For someone who just called out Howry, you should see the relation

 

No there is no relation at all. Its a differet point in the game. I wasnt clamoring for Howry last inning. But if you think just because Howry gave up a triple there, then he would have if he was brought in in the 8th, then I dont know what to tell you.

 

Not the triple but the fact that he can't get people out is the problem. I am sure you will pull some stat out of your rear to prove me wrong, but beyond Wood, Marmol and Eyre, the back end of the bullpen is not entirely reliable.

 

No need to pull a stat out of my rear to disprove your complete and utter ridiculous hyperbole. Saying Howry cant get people out, when he just got 3 outs in the 9th, is ignorant.

[TMan92]

That at bat is why Marmol pitched in the 8th.

Totally unrelated

 

For someone who just called out Howry, you should see the relation

 

No there is no relation at all. Its a differet point in the game. I wasnt clamoring for Howry last inning. But if you think just because Howry gave up a triple there, then he would have if he was brought in in the 8th, then I dont know what to tell you.

 

Quit taking it so literal. Nobody saying he would have given up a triple. They are saying he was a lot more likely to give up a hit compared to Marmol.

 

Like I said you had a 6 run lead, even if they give up a grand slam you still have a 2 run lead with nobody on. Ive backed off my statement regarding Marmol a little since Ive learned he had only thrown 2 innings. However, to say the triple Howry gave up is why Marmol was brought in is unrelated, and irrelevant.

 

I think the Cubs should put Marmol in a glass case in the dugout and admire him for the rest of year while guys like Leiber, Howry and others blow baseball games. Not saying he should pitch every day, but my God, this is not Dusty-like abuse.

[CubColtPacer]

Interesting facts:

 

Marmol's last 7 appearances have had him come into the game in the middle of an inning with runners on, and only twice has Lou pitched him to more than 1 batter the next inning (and one of those was the 3 run homer game that was the start and probably likely impetus for this stretch).

Marmol's turned into the fireman instead of the 8th inning guy for the most part now, and I applaud that change.

 

I almost cannot believe that if you asked me would I take Marquis's season so far over the next 3 1/2 months would I take it, and I would very quickly say yes. Marquis is playing the part of an average starter very well so far. Avoid the disaster starts, spray in a couple gems, and have the rest of the starts be questionable. His ERA+ moved back over the 100 mark today.

 

Nice to see Lee have a very good game today. His bat will be crucial these next 2 weeks as the Cubs experiment to find the best combination at 2B/LF.

 

Overall, just a very nice game. We rested some starters and got a win. Anytime you can do that, you're killing two birds with one stone.