Soriano to DL-fracture of the left metacarpal

[apete6]

I hope people are kidding with the Bonds stuff. That would be the one way I would drop the Cubs. I will not support a team that knowly signs a cheater even if that is the Cubs.

 

LOL. You're telling me every player the Cubs have ever signed was clean? Hell, that minor league pitcher (Hernandez?) in the system was suspended for 50 games earlier this season. Should we release him?

 

SIGN BONDS!!!

 

Yeah, because that's the exact same thing.

 

What's different about it? Besides Bonds being one of the greatest players of all time and this Hernandez kid being a Single-A nobody?

 

I just can't understand why Bonds gets so much grief for doing roids. He's one of hundreds of players who did it. Just because he was a better player than them, he gets the majority of the business. Look, the guy is a first class dbag, but I'd take him in a heartbeat if he's going to put up numbers like he did last year.

[Tracer Bullet]

The Cubs played great when Soriano was on the DL earlier this season. I'm not sure why anyone thinks this time will be different.

 

Probably b/c he was playing like crap when he went on the DL before, so it was unlikely his replacement couldn't match his .577 OPS.

 

That doesn't really make any sense, unless you're suggesting the mental impact will play a big role. What Soriano was doing at the time of his 2 injuries is irrelevant when discussing how they'll be without him. They'll be playing with the same team they played with last time he got injured, the same team they did fine with.

 

Are you serious? A player's performance is irrelevant as to how the team will do without him?

 

You realize that players don't perform at the exact same level throughout the season, right?

[Soul]

The Cubs played great when Soriano was on the DL earlier this season. I'm not sure why anyone thinks this time will be different.

 

Probably b/c he was playing like crap when he went on the DL before, so it was unlikely his replacement couldn't match his .577 OPS.

 

That doesn't really make any sense, unless you're suggesting the mental impact will play a big role. What Soriano was doing at the time of his 2 injuries is irrelevant when discussing how they'll be without him. They'll be playing with the same team they played with last time he got injured, the same team they did fine with.

 

Are you serious? A player's performance is irrelevant as to how the team will do without him?

 

You realize that players don't perform at the exact same level throughout the season, right?

 

Yeah, right now I don't think anyone can say what's going to happen. It seems pretty up in the air, we're not even really sure how much playing time each of these other players is going to get in the attempt to replace Soriano's production. Seems to me it's pretty much a wildcard right now.

 

Here's hoping some other guys can pick it up, or do well in a platoon type situation or whatever.

[Jon]

Lee is going to pick up Soriano's slack. He's been so bad that once Derrek comes out of his slump, it'll be like getting him back after 5-6 weeks on the DL. The offense should be fine and they need to save their trading chips for a starting pitcher.

 

Minor league splits for 2008:

Murton against lefties - .396/.482/.500

Hoffpauir against righties - .279/.283/.535

 

Hoffpauir simply hasn't played that much this year, so it's hard to tell what you might get with him. He hasn't shown much of an ability to take walks at AAA. His OBP is the primary concern.

[soapy]

I'll put this here since there has been some mention of Bradley as a possible pick-up:

 

Bradley goes after Royals' analyst

 

I've been a fan of going after Bradley for a long time. My guess though is that the Cubs won't be interested in him because of his temper issues.

[Tyrant]

The Cubs played great when Soriano was on the DL earlier this season. I'm not sure why anyone thinks this time will be different.

 

Probably b/c he was playing like crap when he went on the DL before, so it was unlikely his replacement couldn't match his .577 OPS.

 

That doesn't really make any sense, unless you're suggesting the mental impact will play a big role. What Soriano was doing at the time of his 2 injuries is irrelevant when discussing how they'll be without him. They'll be playing with the same team they played with last time he got injured, the same team they did fine with.

 

Are you serious? A player's performance is irrelevant as to how the team will do without him?

 

You realize that players don't perform at the exact same level throughout the season, right?

 

Why are you so contentious every time someone even minorly disagrees with you? You act like other posters spend all their time slapping your mother.

[CuseCubFan69]

Lee is going to pick up Soriano's slack. He's been so bad that once Derrek comes out of his slump, it'll be like getting him back after 5-6 weeks on the DL. The offense should be fine and they need to save their trading chips for a starting pitcher.

 

Minor league splits for 2008:

Murton against lefties - .396/.482/.500

Hoffpauir against righties - .279/.283/.535

 

Hoffpauir simply hasn't played that much this year, so it's hard to tell what you might get with him. He hasn't shown much of an ability to take walks at AAA. His OBP is the primary concern.

 

But, now with Soriano out that will force Lee to play more..or more likely Lou won't sit him again. I think the whole team will have to pick it up a notch to cover this loss, offensively and pitching wise.

[Derwood]

how has wrigley23 not come here and called Soriano a baby yet? i'm so sick of the Cubs treating this guy with kid gloves. ohhhhhhhhhh...poor guy broke his fragile little hand so he has to sit out for six weeks like a selfish baby.

 

this never would have happened if he weren't leading off

[NCCubFan]

I'll put this here since there has been some mention of Bradley as a possible pick-up:

 

Bradley goes after Royals' analyst

 

I've been a fan of going after Bradley for a long time. My guess though is that the Cubs won't be interested in him because of his temper issues.

His injury history might be a consideration as well.

[NCCubFan]

It's really just not fair. Pujols goes down, the Cards don't even flounder. Soriano goes down for even longer now, and the Cubs will probably take a nosedive.

What exactly about the Cubs' play this year makes it seem like they will "probably take a nosedive" after losing one player? I'm not saying the loss won't be felt, but the Cubs are hardly a one-man team.

[Soul]

how has wrigley23 not come here and called Soriano a baby yet? i'm so sick of the Cubs treating this guy with kid gloves. ohhhhhhhhhh...poor guy broke his fragile little hand so he has to sit out for six weeks like a selfish baby.

 

this never would have happened if he weren't leading off

 

We won't win with Soriano anyway, so w23 is dancing a jig right now.

[BigbadB]

I really, really hate Bonds. But, this wouldn't be a bad idea right now. If Soriano is out until close to the trade deadline, the Cubs use Bonds until Soriano comes back and then trade Bonds to some other team in the playoff race. The circus show will have died down and other teams would see value in Bonds. We get something of value in return for putting up with the circus.

 

Lefty power bat that can play LF. He would probably play dirt cheap at this point. It wouldn't hurt to make an offer. As cheap as the Cubs could get him, they could turn him loose if he becomes too much of a distraction.

 

This also allows the Cubs to use the current resources to upgrade the pitching staff.

[BigbadB]

I have found that I have less hatred for players if they do good things for the Cubs. I have completely forgiven Jim Edmonds for being a Cardinal at this point. I could probably do the same for Bonds.

[Soul]

I have found that I have less hatred for players if they do good things for the Cubs. I have completely forgiven Jim Edmonds for being a Cardinal at this point. I could probably do the same for Bonds.

 

Does Bonds even want to play at this point?

[C.C.]

I have found that I have less hatred for players if they do good things for the Cubs. I have completely forgiven Jim Edmonds for being a Cardinal at this point. I could probably do the same for Bonds.

 

Does Bonds even want to play at this point?

 

 

$$$$$

[daske17]

I have found that I have less hatred for players if they do good things for the Cubs. I have completely forgiven Jim Edmonds for being a Cardinal at this point. I could probably do the same for Bonds.

 

Does Bonds even want to play at this point?

 

 

$$$$$

 

Enjoy the league minimum!

 

Seriously, I doubt Bonds is a consideration at this point by anyone in MLB. And, yes, I think it's more collusion against him than doubting his abilities.

[gflore34]

I really, really hate Bonds. But, this wouldn't be a bad idea right now. If Soriano is out until close to the trade deadline, the Cubs use Bonds until Soriano comes back and then trade Bonds to some other team in the playoff race. The circus show will have died down and other teams would see value in Bonds. We get something of value in return for putting up with the circus.

 

Lefty power bat that can play LF. He would probably play dirt cheap at this point. It wouldn't hurt to make an offer. As cheap as the Cubs could get him, they could turn him loose if he becomes too much of a distraction.

 

This also allows the Cubs to use the current resources to upgrade the pitching staff.

 

I know its Sutcliffe but, last night, he made some sense about Boston being a possible destination for Bonds, with Big Papi being out Bonds could slide right into the DH. I'm certain Bonds is at the point in his career where the only thing that matters is a WS ring being so, Boston and the Cubs appear to be logical destinations. The question is do you want to be part of a third Boston WS win in 5 years or part of 100 year ending drought for the Cubs along with it quite possibly overshadowing you're suspected performance enhancer use?

[Mizzou]

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to sign Kenny Lofton.

[Schwarber Fan]

It's really just not fair. Pujols goes down, the Cards don't even flounder. Soriano goes down for even longer now, and the Cubs will probably take a nosedive.

 

Please, the Cardinals have played 1 game w/o Pujols.

 

But isn't it inevitable?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No.

[Schwarber Fan]

Trust, me I hope you're right but with Skip Schumaker and Ryan Ludwick playing like Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco, the Cards worry me.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't see the team missing much of a beat the next month and a half.

[JGalt73]

The Cubs should lose <2 games due to Soriano's absence. Soriano's bat is contributing about .2 runs/game (BP's MLVr). Over 40 games: ~8 runs. If you include a hot streak or 2 to add to those numbers, it's still very unlikely to cost more than 20 runs. Whatever production is gotten from the replacements only mitigates these losses.

[UMFan83]

I don't see the team missing much of a beat the next month and a half.

 

I agree, but if thats really the case. If we still win 63% of our games, where does the benefit of having Soriano fit in? If we 'don't miss a beat' with him out for 1/6 of the season, why would we ever miss him?

 

I think we will play slightly over .500 ball for his time out. 6 weeks from today would be 35 games missed (luckily there are 4 off days and the All Star break during those 6 weeks meaning that literally 1 of those 6 weeks will not contain baseball). I think we go something like 19-16 during those 35 games, leaving us with a 61-40 record when he returns.

[gflore34]

I don't see the team missing much of a beat the next month and a half.

 

I agree, but if thats really the case. If we still win 63% of our games, where does the benefit of having Soriano fit in? If we 'don't miss a beat' with him out for 1/6 of the season, why would we ever miss him?

 

I think we will play slightly over .500 ball for his time out. 6 weeks from today would be 35 games missed (luckily there are 4 off days and the All Star break during those 6 weeks meaning that literally 1 of those 6 weeks will not contain baseball). I think we go something like 19-16 during those 35 games, leaving us with a 61-40 record when he returns.

 

Which should be enough to have the Cubs up by 8+ games, to match it the Cards would have to go 21-13 without Pujols and Wainwright for a significant amount of those games - the greatness of Ludwick, Schumaker, Ryan and journey man/career minor leaguer pitcher X not withstanding - this isn't going to happen.