We won't win with Marquis

[CubsGM]

The other 3 threads are moronic. This one is true.

 

SHAM STARTER

[abuck1220]

i guess the "you've got to earn your spot" mantra that applies to hill, pie, etc doesn't apply to marquis.

 

error, balk, walk(s) all in the 3rd inning...isn't that some kind of triple crown?

[imb]

Marquis makes me mad middling morosely on the mound

[Old Style]

He su-diddly-ucks

[Roast]

I hate marquis a lot.

[Sammy Sofa]

What will it take for Marquis to get the boot? Him murdering someone?

 

Maybe he has already murdered, and they won't kick him out out of fear of him killing everyone.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Well he does have that Long Island accent......

[CubColtPacer]

Marquis has to be one of the most frustrating pitchers I have ever seen. He's the type of pitcher that you have to let your emotion go and look after the game at his line, because he just does the dumbest things on the mound, and melts down half the time to boot. Watching him, it actually somewhat amazes me that there are 37 pitchers in the majors who have thrown at least 40 innings (so basically any starter who has pitched the majority of the season) that have a worse ERA than him.

 

I said earlier in the year that I wasn't sure if 2008 or 2009 would be the year he would be really bad. I knew he would likely be decent for one, bad for the other. It looks like 2008 will be the bad year. He simply cannot find the plate, and for a guy who is hittable as he is, that doesn't produce good results.

 

They either need to know what is wrong with his control right now and be taking steps to fix it, or they need to cut bait. If they don't know what's wrong, it's not likely to fix itself, and Marquis will continue to be only marginally effective without it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Cubs record in Marquis' games:

 

2007: 20-14

2008: 5-5 (not including tonight)

 

Total: 25-19

 

Just sayin' :) He's still bad.

[anabiono]

i will say he serves a purpose...but i for one will be happy when his thrill-ride starts are a thing of the past...

[PrimeTime]

I hate Marquis more than any Cub ever..He pisses me off more than a Neifi/Fontenot combo

[Butterscup1679666578]

I hate Marquis more than any Cub ever..He pisses me off more than a Neifi/Fontenot combo

 

I said this in the game thread. He's easily my least favorite Cub ever. That includes Dusty, Neifi, Gremlin, Hundley, etc.

[TruffleShuffle]

pretty sure that rich hill wouldn't get as much rope to hang himself as marquis got last night.

 

btw the cubs can win with marquis - they can win the division with a lousy 5th starter and then leave him off the playoff roster. see 2003 cubs, 2007 cubs.

[Tracer Bullet]

Jeez. Marquis sucks.

[Backtobanks]

Marquis has to be one of the most frustrating pitchers I have ever seen. He's the type of pitcher that you have to let your emotion go and look after the game at his line, because he just does the dumbest things on the mound, and melts down half the time to boot. Watching him, it actually somewhat amazes me that there are 37 pitchers in the majors who have thrown at least 40 innings (so basically any starter who has pitched the majority of the season) that have a worse ERA than him.

I said earlier in the year that I wasn't sure if 2008 or 2009 would be the year he would be really bad. I knew he would likely be decent for one, bad for the other. It looks like 2008 will be the bad year. He simply cannot find the plate, and for a guy who is hittable as he is, that doesn't produce good results.

 

They either need to know what is wrong with his control right now and be taking steps to fix it, or they need to cut bait. If they don't know what's wrong, it's not likely to fix itself, and Marquis will continue to be only marginally effective without it.

 

I'm certainly not defending him, but doesn't that make him the best 5th starter in baseball?

[Little Slide Rooter]

The fact that we were able to win a game in which Jason Marquis looks bad even for Jason Marquis makes me feel that October is a step closer.

[Jon]

Unfortunately, there isn't a better option right now than Marquis. Hopefully he'll only get two or three more strarts before Hill is ready, though.

[CubColtPacer]

Marquis has to be one of the most frustrating pitchers I have ever seen. He's the type of pitcher that you have to let your emotion go and look after the game at his line, because he just does the dumbest things on the mound, and melts down half the time to boot. Watching him, it actually somewhat amazes me that there are 37 pitchers in the majors who have thrown at least 40 innings (so basically any starter who has pitched the majority of the season) that have a worse ERA than him.

I said earlier in the year that I wasn't sure if 2008 or 2009 would be the year he would be really bad. I knew he would likely be decent for one, bad for the other. It looks like 2008 will be the bad year. He simply cannot find the plate, and for a guy who is hittable as he is, that doesn't produce good results.

 

They either need to know what is wrong with his control right now and be taking steps to fix it, or they need to cut bait. If they don't know what's wrong, it's not likely to fix itself, and Marquis will continue to be only marginally effective without it.

 

I'm certainly not defending him, but doesn't that make him the best 5th starter in baseball?

 

Yeah, I threw that in there to say that while perception may make all of us think one of he's the worst we've ever seen, he's really not quite that bad. Right now his numbers are in that frustrating middle zone. He's not good enough to really be productive or to be able to trade him, but he isn't really bad enough to get cut either.

[jersey cubs fan]

Marquis has to be one of the most frustrating pitchers I have ever seen. He's the type of pitcher that you have to let your emotion go and look after the game at his line, because he just does the dumbest things on the mound, and melts down half the time to boot. Watching him, it actually somewhat amazes me that there are 37 pitchers in the majors who have thrown at least 40 innings (so basically any starter who has pitched the majority of the season) that have a worse ERA than him.

I said earlier in the year that I wasn't sure if 2008 or 2009 would be the year he would be really bad. I knew he would likely be decent for one, bad for the other. It looks like 2008 will be the bad year. He simply cannot find the plate, and for a guy who is hittable as he is, that doesn't produce good results.

 

They either need to know what is wrong with his control right now and be taking steps to fix it, or they need to cut bait. If they don't know what's wrong, it's not likely to fix itself, and Marquis will continue to be only marginally effective without it.

 

I'm certainly not defending him, but doesn't that make him the best 5th starter in baseball?

 

Yeah, I threw that in there to say that while perception may make all of us think one of he's the worst we've ever seen, he's really not quite that bad. Right now his numbers are in that frustrating middle zone. He's not good enough to really be productive or to be able to trade him, but he isn't really bad enough to get cut either.

 

That is just a horrible way to look at it.

 

There may be 37 other starters with a worse ERA, but are they spread across all 30 teams? Are the just filling in temporarily. Are those ERA's park adjusted?

 

And are they signed to the type of contract Marquis is signed to?

 

I got news for you, Jason Marquis is not the Cubs 5th starter. He was signed to be more like a 3, and as far as guaranteed spots in the rotation he's a 4 right now. A 5th starter is in danger of losing his job at all times. Marquis has been handed his because of his ridiculous contract, and that ridiculous contract cannot be removed from the discussion.

[jersey cubs fan]

i will say he serves a purpose...but i for one will be happy when his thrill-ride starts are a thing of the past...

 

He should serve a purpose if he could actually last past the 5th. But he's gone 6 only 3 of 11 starts. Lasting 5 and giving up 3 all the time is about the opposite of purpose.

[NCCubFan]

Marquis has to be one of the most frustrating pitchers I have ever seen. He's the type of pitcher that you have to let your emotion go and look after the game at his line, because he just does the dumbest things on the mound, and melts down half the time to boot. Watching him, it actually somewhat amazes me that there are 37 pitchers in the majors who have thrown at least 40 innings (so basically any starter who has pitched the majority of the season) that have a worse ERA than him.

I said earlier in the year that I wasn't sure if 2008 or 2009 would be the year he would be really bad. I knew he would likely be decent for one, bad for the other. It looks like 2008 will be the bad year. He simply cannot find the plate, and for a guy who is hittable as he is, that doesn't produce good results.

 

They either need to know what is wrong with his control right now and be taking steps to fix it, or they need to cut bait. If they don't know what's wrong, it's not likely to fix itself, and Marquis will continue to be only marginally effective without it.

 

I'm certainly not defending him, but doesn't that make him the best 5th starter in baseball?

Too bad he doesn't have a 5th starter's contract. :(

[Soul]

The only purpose Marquis serves is to burn out our bullpen further and give Lou an ulcer.

 

I couldn't read Lou's lips totally last night, but what I could gather looked something like this:

 

Lou: "Start throwing some strikes."

 

Marquis: nods

 

Lou: "And you better start doing it right now."

 

 

I think even Lou's had it with this clown.

[CubColtPacer]

Marquis has to be one of the most frustrating pitchers I have ever seen. He's the type of pitcher that you have to let your emotion go and look after the game at his line, because he just does the dumbest things on the mound, and melts down half the time to boot. Watching him, it actually somewhat amazes me that there are 37 pitchers in the majors who have thrown at least 40 innings (so basically any starter who has pitched the majority of the season) that have a worse ERA than him.

I said earlier in the year that I wasn't sure if 2008 or 2009 would be the year he would be really bad. I knew he would likely be decent for one, bad for the other. It looks like 2008 will be the bad year. He simply cannot find the plate, and for a guy who is hittable as he is, that doesn't produce good results.

 

They either need to know what is wrong with his control right now and be taking steps to fix it, or they need to cut bait. If they don't know what's wrong, it's not likely to fix itself, and Marquis will continue to be only marginally effective without it.

 

I'm certainly not defending him, but doesn't that make him the best 5th starter in baseball?

 

Yeah, I threw that in there to say that while perception may make all of us think one of he's the worst we've ever seen, he's really not quite that bad. Right now his numbers are in that frustrating middle zone. He's not good enough to really be productive or to be able to trade him, but he isn't really bad enough to get cut either.

 

That is just a horrible way to look at it.

 

There may be 37 other starters with a worse ERA, but are they spread across all 30 teams? Are the just filling in temporarily. Are those ERA's park adjusted?

 

And are they signed to the type of contract Marquis is signed to?

 

I got news for you, Jason Marquis is not the Cubs 5th starter. He was signed to be more like a 3, and as far as guaranteed spots in the rotation he's a 4 right now. A 5th starter is in danger of losing his job at all times. Marquis has been handed his because of his ridiculous contract, and that ridiculous contract cannot be removed from the discussion.

 

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't argue that Marquis is the best 5th starter in the league. Most of the names behind him are not temporary fill ins though, but many of them aren't usual 5th starters either. They're big money guys having bad years. Verlander, Buerhle, Meche, Penny, Oswalt, Myers, Lilly, Arroyo, Zito, Batista, Snell, Silva are just some of the guys.

 

And no, those ERA's are not park adjusted, but if they were, that is a huge benefit to Marquis. The number grows closer to 50 pitchers if you look at ERA+ rather than ERA.

 

And yes, I realize that Marquis was not signed to be the 5th starter. He certainly wasn't signed to be the 3rd though. In this market, you don't sign somebody for just 7 million dollars to be your 3rd starter. That's more like 4th starter money. 3rd starters have been getting 10-13 million per year.

 

I'm not removing the contract from the discussion either. It's what makes the Cubs decision really hard right now. The decision making would be a lot easier one way or the other if he didn't have that crazy year 3 on there (which is the main thing that I have not liked about the contract...I'd rather have signed Marquis to 2/15 or even 2/16 than 3/21. His career with other coaches and tuning them out after a certain period of time made this type of situation very reasonable to happen after the decent first year that Marquis delivered).

[UMFan83]

Thread title is dumb. We can win with Marquis in the rotation, and he won't come near a baseball in the playoffs. So if we fail, it won't be because of him.

[NCCubFan]

His career with other coaches and tuning them out after a certain period of time made this type of situation very reasonable to happen after the decent first year that Marquis delivered).

That seems to be his MO: Have decent first year, get swelled ego and stop listening to coaches, have crappy year, move on to next team, repeat.