Is Theriot for real?

[kente777]

I was like everybody else on this board....waiting for Theriot to crash. But I am almost to the point where I think he's got it figured out. His contributions have been huge.

 

Discuss.

[Peoriaman]

How would anybody here know this?

[TruffleShuffle]

define "for real"

 

capable of a .325/.407/.392 line over the whole season? i sure doubt it.

 

capable of something like .290/.355/.370? yeah, i think so. especially if lou actually uses his brain (unlikely) and uses the team's wealth of middle infield depth to spell theriot a little more so that he doesn't wear down by the end of the season.

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define "for real"

 

capable of a .325/.407/.392 line over the whole season? i sure doubt it.

 

capable of something like .290/.355/.370? yeah, i think so. especially if lou actually uses his brain (unlikely) and uses the team's wealth of middle infield depth to spell theriot a little more so that he doesn't wear down by the end of the season.

 

Seems possible, but I'd think that's the high end if we're talking performance from here to the end of the season. I definitely think his final numbers could end up there, but if so, he's going to drop significantly over the next couple months (which is also quite possible).

[Tyrant]

I'm glad we have him, now that Ronny Cedeno is back to hitting like Ronny Cedeno.

[Little Slide Rooter]

He could be our Eckstein, Marcus Giles, Augie Ojega, Jeff Keppinger, etc. that we've hated for so many years but not had one of our own.

[abuck1220]

he'll come back to earth once other teams realize they should just put their lf and 3b in between first and second base.

[UMFan83]

I don't know. He had a .290 BA /.740 OPS into mid August last year before fading. But no one was buying that fading excuse on this board last winter.

 

He still has absolutely no range.

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I don't know. He had a .290 BA /.740 OPS into mid August last year before fading. But no one was buying that fading excuse on this board last winter.

 

He still has absolutely no range.

 

You say that as if he had a .290 AVG and .740 OPS for 4 months and then all of a sudden fell off. In reality, he struggled for almost 3 months, had a huge July which boosted his numbers, then fell back again. Seems odd to me that people claim that Theriot "faded" last August/September when his splits suggest he was pretty bad in April and May, horrendous in June, great in July, pretty bad in August, and horrendous in September. It's more like a bell curve peaking in July than a plateau that fell off in August.

[Keener98]

I'm glad we have him, now that Ronny Cedeno is back to hitting like Ronny Cedeno.

 

yea those 20 ab's since May 18 speak volumes huh....

[BigbadB]

Yeah, I don't get why Cedeno sees so little playing time right now. Wasn't the big excuse last year that Theriot wore out last season as his offensive production plummeted? Why not let Cedeno spell Theriot more often to save Theriot from wearing down? Of course, I never bought into that excuse, but Theriot has earned his place in the starting line up, but why not let him get some occasional rest from a guy who can field the position better than Theriot can.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't know the exact date of the quote, but it seems to me Ronny has played a lot less since Lou said he was going to find more ways to get him in the lineup

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I don't know the exact date of the quote, but it seems to me Ronny has played a lot less since Lou said he was going to find more ways to get him in the lineup

 

Should be easy to find, it was quoted here in the one and only thread that ever discussed Theriot and Cedeno...

[Derwood]

no, Theriot is not for real. he's a figment of all our imaginations. i mean, come one, how can a guy so little actually be good at hitting?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Ryan Theriot has now put up a .357 OBP in 1014 career plate appearances.

 

That's about as for real as it gets for a guy of his skill set.

[CubColtPacer]

Yeah, I don't get why Cedeno sees so little playing time right now. Wasn't the big excuse last year that Theriot wore out last season as his offensive production plummeted? Why not let Cedeno spell Theriot more often to save Theriot from wearing down? Of course, I never bought into that excuse, but Theriot has earned his place in the starting line up, but why not let him get some occasional rest from a guy who can field the position better than Theriot can.

 

Cedeno's started 3 out of the last 16 games at SS (and 2 out of the last 7). I hope that continues and Theriot doesn't have any stretches like he did earlier in May where he started 23 straight games. Cedeno once a week or so at SS should be enough to keep Theriot pretty fresh.

[Jon]

He's putting up pretty similar numbers to what he did in 2006 minus the incredibly fluky power:

 

2006 - 159 PAs, .328/.412/.522, 11.3% walk rate, .363 BABIP, 26.6% LD%

2007 - 597 PAs, .266/.326/.346, 8.4% walk rate, .289 BABIP, 21.0% LD%

2008 - 244 PAs, .325/.407/.392, 12.0% walk rate, .356 BABIP, 23.2% LD%

 

I think a lot of the Theriot critics would admit that he was unlucky last year in terms of his BABIP, which many of us have.

 

He walked about as often in 2006 at AAA as he did in 2007. He's swinging at fewer pitches overall, both in and out of the zone, and making more contact.

 

I'm not really sure what to think of him at this point, especially as a 28-year-old.

[CubbieBum]

Ryan Theriot has now put up a .357 OBP in 1014 career plate appearances.

 

That's about as for real as it gets for a guy of his skill set.

 

And Cedeno has a .289 OBP in 774 at-bats. People tend improve after a year at the majors because they can spend the offseason studying film and adjust accordingly. Theriot is probably slightly better than the .357 OBP (which BTW Lee's is .367). Plus .357 is one of the best career OBP's on the team. And Cedeno is certainly better than the .289 he has although probably not as high as Theriot's because he's not as patient.

 

 

I think it's about time people stop being stubborn, admit they were wrong (all of us are one point or another), and start cheering for him without having the thought in the back of the head slightly hoping he does bad.

[Sammy Sofa]

I love Theriot's offensive performance, but damn, he stinks at SS. No range and a noodle arm. I wish that part of him could pick it up.

[CubbieBum]

I love Theriot's offensive performance, but damn, he stinks at SS. No range and a noodle arm. I wish that part of him could pick it up.

 

He's not great but his .973 fielding percentage is .011 higher than Cedeno's and is in the middle of the pact for starting SS (16th among players who have played at least 30 games at SS). He's nothing to look at but he's not horrendous either.

 

He also beats his former Cardinal twin Eckstein by a wide margin.

[inari]

Fielding percentage is one of the most astoundingly worthless stats in sports.

[tfarks]

Fielding percentage is one of the most astoundingly worthless stats in sports.

 

I wouldn't say its worthless, as it does indicate what a player does once he gets to the ball, but yeah, you're right.

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Fielding percentage is one of the most astoundingly worthless stats in sports.

 

I wouldn't say its worthless, as it does indicate what a player does once he gets to the ball, but yeah, you're right.

 

It's not terribly accurate even for that.

[javy knows my name]

I love Theriot's offensive performance, but damn, he stinks at SS. No range and a noodle arm. I wish that part of him could pick it up.

 

He's not great but his .973 fielding percentage is .011 higher than Cedeno's and is in the middle of the pact for starting SS (16th among players who have played at least 30 games at SS). He's nothing to look at but he's not horrendous either.

 

He also beats his former Cardinal twin Eckstein by a wide margin.

I think Soriano would be a better shortstop than David Eckstein.

[javy knows my name]

Ryan Theriot has now put up a .357 OBP in 1014 career plate appearances.

 

That's about as for real as it gets for a guy of his skill set.

 

And Cedeno has a .289 OBP in 774 at-bats. People tend improve after a year at the majors because they can spend the offseason studying film and adjust accordingly. Theriot is probably slightly better than the .357 OBP (which BTW Lee's is .367). Plus .357 is one of the best career OBP's on the team. And Cedeno is certainly better than the .289 he has although probably not as high as Theriot's because he's not as patient.

 

 

I think it's about time people stop being stubborn, admit they were wrong (all of us are one point or another), and start cheering for him without having the thought in the back of the head slightly hoping he does bad.

Huh? He may see less P/PA but his pitch selection appears to be much better and their walk rates are almost identical.