The Eric Gagne Appreciation Thread

[bukie]

Eric Gagne kicked my dog. And by kicked my dog I mean he made me lose my ERA and WHIP categories in Fantasy Baseball this week. Not that I care, my fantasy team's success comes in at a distant 2nd to the Cubs success.

 

Thanks for the helping us widen the gap for now, Eric

 

You should probably be more mad at yourself for counting on Eric Gagne as a fantasy reliever.

[Clem Fandango]

Eric Gagne kicked my dog. And by kicked my dog I mean he made me lose my ERA and WHIP categories in Fantasy Baseball this week. Not that I care, my fantasy team's success comes in at a distant 2nd to the Cubs success.

 

Thanks for the helping us widen the gap for now, Eric

 

You should probably be more mad at yourself for counting on Eric Gagne as a fantasy reliever.

 

I am, and I was thinking about how mad I was when I was dropping him last night

[VanceJergins]

I am starting to wonder is the Brewers really are going to give us a run for our money. A lot of these guys just arent producing. Sure, we all pretty much know that Prince will end up picking it up, but guys like Braun, Weeks, and Hardy who are really struggling are not the kind of established players who you know for fact are going to pick up. Yes, they've been doing pretty good for themselves for the most part, but at this time, dont look like a major threat.

 

I think you have a point. Most of their struggling players will pick it up at least a little bit, but I can easily see a lot of them regressing quite a bit from last year (though I'm not banking on it).

 

Fielder had a monster year last year, but he might regress closer to his 06 numbers.

Braun will end up being good, but maybe not nearly as good as last year.

Weeks has only had 1 good year.

Hart may regress a decent amount from last year.

Hardy will almost certainly not put up the power numbers he did last year.

Hall has had one good year and one pretty good year.

 

They have a lot of potential but a lot of question marks - especially if Sheets ends up being out for awhile.

[ELCABALLO45]

I am starting to wonder is the Brewers really are going to give us a run for our money. A lot of these guys just arent producing. Sure, we all pretty much know that Prince will end up picking it up, but guys like Braun, Weeks, and Hardy who are really struggling are not the kind of established players who you know for fact are going to pick up. Yes, they've been doing pretty good for themselves for the most part, but at this time, dont look like a major threat.

 

I think you have a point. Most of their struggling players will pick it up at least a little bit, but I can easily see a lot of them regressing quite a bit from last year (though I'm not banking on it).

 

(1)Fielder had a monster year last year, but he might regress closer to his 06 numbers.

(2)Braun will end up being good, but maybe not nearly as good as last year.

(3)Weeks has only had 1 good year.

(4)Hart may regress a decent amount from last year.

(5)Hardy will almost certainly not put up the power numbers he did last year.

(6)Hall has had one good year and one pretty good year.

 

They have a lot of potential but a lot of question marks - especially if Sheets ends up being out for awhile.

 

1. He probably won't hit 50 home runs again, but to say he will come closer to 28 seems a little harsh, and only 81 RBIs? No, Don't see that happening. At his time last year he had only 2 home runs.

 

2. I could see this, however he also is playing his 1st full year in the majors this year, we didn't have him till May 25th last year.

 

3. This is such a tricky subject, Rickie walks so much, but he just doesn't trust his wrists. He has a chance to be a damn good player, im leaving this on imcomplete.

 

4. NO. This one you are wrong. Corey Hart didn't become a full time starter till end of April last year, He had a decent year last year and he will only get better.

 

5. Okay I will give you this one, no on saw that one coming thats for sure. 26 last year was alot of home runs for him, I could see 15-20 this year and be happy with it.

 

6. He is quickly becoming Adam Dunn without the walks, and with a better defense. I see him hitting around 35 home runs this year, however only hitting like .255.

 

I see what your point is, but I could sit here and say how I think player X for the Cubs is going to regress also if I wanted. This should be a fun summer.

[chuckywang]

Today was more of the Brewers being Yosted than Gange being bad. Gagne saved 3 games in a row and Yost felt like he needed ERIC GAGNE (Mr. Injury Prone) to pitch for the 4th straight day, even tho we had Mota,Riske, Torres and Turnbow all ready. You guys are so lucky you don't have to deal with him everyday of your life. The dude has a 14 man pitching staff and still finds a way to mess it up... amazing

 

There is absolutely no reason for any team to carry 14 pitchers. How many fat Latino pitchers does he have? Those guys eat innings more like it was chocolate cake.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Brewers have offered Braun and Fielder long term contracts, both are pending, but I like the chances of the Brewers locking up Braun. Fielder on the other hand is a boars client, and he will be harder to lock up. Braun will be fine in left, he is already getting better than what he was day 1. And if Prince does walk we don't have to deal with that till after 2010.

 

I know it's revisionist, but I honestly believe, the Brewers know Prince's future is NOT in Milwaukee. They are looking at getting alot of bang for the buck in terms of $$$ for his projected numbers, and in his WALK YR, they'll look to move him, for a boatload and continue on there way. I think this is the main reason why they drafted La Porta. In three yrs, La Porta should be ready to play for Milwaukee (rather it's at first, in LF with Braun moving to 1b), after they move Fielder, for major young talent. I know some will argue that they draft La Porta for trade value, but I believe they drafted him, knowing he'll be the replacement for Fielder in a few yrs.

 

Isaw LaPorta play Saturday night, and he crushed one ball for a HR, another one bounced the fence for a double, and then one ball he flew out to deep CF. In his other AB, he was hit by a pitch.

[VanceJergins]

I am starting to wonder is the Brewers really are going to give us a run for our money. A lot of these guys just arent producing. Sure, we all pretty much know that Prince will end up picking it up, but guys like Braun, Weeks, and Hardy who are really struggling are not the kind of established players who you know for fact are going to pick up. Yes, they've been doing pretty good for themselves for the most part, but at this time, dont look like a major threat.

 

I think you have a point. Most of their struggling players will pick it up at least a little bit, but I can easily see a lot of them regressing quite a bit from last year (though I'm not banking on it).

 

(1)Fielder had a monster year last year, but he might regress closer to his 06 numbers.

(2)Braun will end up being good, but maybe not nearly as good as last year.

(3)Weeks has only had 1 good year.

(4)Hart may regress a decent amount from last year.

(5)Hardy will almost certainly not put up the power numbers he did last year.

(6)Hall has had one good year and one pretty good year.

 

They have a lot of potential but a lot of question marks - especially if Sheets ends up being out for awhile.

 

1. He probably won't hit 50 home runs again, but to say he will come closer to 28 seems a little harsh, and only 81 RBIs? No, Don't see that happening. At his time last year he had only 2 home runs.

 

2. I could see this, however he also is playing his 1st full year in the majors this year, we didn't have him till May 25th last year.

 

3. This is such a tricky subject, Rickie walks so much, but he just doesn't trust his wrists. He has a chance to be a damn good player, im leaving this on imcomplete.

 

4. NO. This one you are wrong. Corey Hart didn't become a full time starter till end of April last year, He had a decent year last year and he will only get better.

 

5. Okay I will give you this one, no on saw that one coming thats for sure. 26 last year was alot of home runs for him, I could see 15-20 this year and be happy with it.

 

6. He is quickly becoming Adam Dunn without the walks, and with a better defense. I see him hitting around 35 home runs this year, however only hitting like .255.

 

I see what your point is, but I could sit here and say how I think player X for the Cubs is going to regress also if I wanted. This should be a fun summer.

 

My point was that most of the Brewers players aren't very proven. There were a lot of career years last year. The thing is, they're young, so its hard to tell. They could be a lot better, they could be a decent amount worse.

[JimSorgi]

I am starting to wonder is the Brewers really are going to give us a run for our money. A lot of these guys just arent producing. Sure, we all pretty much know that Prince will end up picking it up, but guys like Braun, Weeks, and Hardy who are really struggling are not the kind of established players who you know for fact are going to pick up. Yes, they've been doing pretty good for themselves for the most part, but at this time, dont look like a major threat.

 

I think you have a point. Most of their struggling players will pick it up at least a little bit, but I can easily see a lot of them regressing quite a bit from last year (though I'm not banking on it).

 

(1)Fielder had a monster year last year, but he might regress closer to his 06 numbers.

(2)Braun will end up being good, but maybe not nearly as good as last year.

(3)Weeks has only had 1 good year.

(4)Hart may regress a decent amount from last year.

(5)Hardy will almost certainly not put up the power numbers he did last year.

(6)Hall has had one good year and one pretty good year.

 

They have a lot of potential but a lot of question marks - especially if Sheets ends up being out for awhile.

 

1. He probably won't hit 50 home runs again, but to say he will come closer to 28 seems a little harsh, and only 81 RBIs? No, Don't see that happening. At his time last year he had only 2 home runs.

 

2. I could see this, however he also is playing his 1st full year in the majors this year, we didn't have him till May 25th last year.

 

3. This is such a tricky subject, Rickie walks so much, but he just doesn't trust his wrists. He has a chance to be a damn good player, im leaving this on imcomplete.

 

4. NO. This one you are wrong. Corey Hart didn't become a full time starter till end of April last year, He had a decent year last year and he will only get better.

 

5. Okay I will give you this one, no on saw that one coming thats for sure. 26 last year was alot of home runs for him, I could see 15-20 this year and be happy with it.

 

6. He is quickly becoming Adam Dunn without the walks, and with a better defense. I see him hitting around 35 home runs this year, however only hitting like .255.

 

I see what your point is, but I could sit here and say how I think player X for the Cubs is going to regress also if I wanted. This should be a fun summer.

Why'd you bring that up?

[17 Seconds]

So I turned on the Brewers game in the 8th inning (I think) tonight, and Gagne was warming in the pen. Was Yost seriously going to bring him in for the 5th straight day?

[SouthSideRyan]

Yep Yost said Gagne would pitch in a save situation yesterday. He's the biggest idiot ever.

 

And Adam Dunn without the walks?? So not Adam Dunn then?

[CuseCubFan69]

Yep Yost said Gagne would pitch in a save situation yesterday. He's the biggest idiot ever.

 

And Adam Dunn without the walks?? So not Adam Dunn then?

 

Is their pen that horrible that he couldn't use someone else for 1 day?

[SouthSideRyan]

Yep Yost said Gagne would pitch in a save situation yesterday. He's the biggest idiot ever.

 

And Adam Dunn without the walks?? So not Adam Dunn then?

 

Is their pen that horrible that he couldn't use someone else for 1 day?

 

It's not awful. David Riske shoulda been there to close it out. They have 9 guys down there, and he was planning on using the same guy, with an injury history, 5 games in a row. This after watching him pitch terribly in the 4th game.

[CuseCubFan69]

Yep Yost said Gagne would pitch in a save situation yesterday. He's the biggest idiot ever.

 

And Adam Dunn without the walks?? So not Adam Dunn then?

 

Is their pen that horrible that he couldn't use someone else for 1 day?

 

It's not awful. David Riske shoulda been there to close it out. They have 9 guys down there, and he was planning on using the same guy, with an injury history, 5 games in a row. This after watching him pitch terribly in the 4th game.

 

Crazy. He thinks a little outside of the box batting Kendall 9th and then does things like this.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ned Yost may be the single most important factor in the Cubs' winning the division this year.

[CubsGM]

Bump.

I love Gagne

[WarningtrackPower]

Bump.

I love Gagne

 

 

Sorry, can't do it. Can't put it on Gagne this time. If Weeks makes a play that T-Ball kids make then it's game over and it doesn't go 12 innings.

[SouthSideRyan]

Bump.

I love Gagne

 

 

Sorry, can't do it. Can't put it on Gagne this time. If Weeks makes a play that T-Ball kids make then it's game over and it doesn't go 12 innings.

 

Gagne let Cesar Izturis and Skip Schumaker on base. He wasn't without blame.

[ELCABALLO45]

Bump.

I love Gagne

 

 

Sorry, can't do it. Can't put it on Gagne this time. If Weeks makes a play that T-Ball kids make then it's game over and it doesn't go 12 innings.

 

Gagne let Cesar Izturis and Skip Schumaker on base. He wasn't without blame.

 

No way you can put this on Gagne. Izturis should not of been on, the ump blew a strike 3 call after he froze Izturis. Shumaker was a hard hit ball, he is hitting .324 this year, but yeah that was hit bad. And then he got the best hitter in baseball to ground into a double play and Rickie Weeks decides to throw like a little girl to first.

[CoolHandLuke]

Yep Yost said Gagne would pitch in a save situation yesterday. He's the biggest idiot ever.

 

And Adam Dunn without the walks?? So not Adam Dunn then?

 

That comparison made me laugh

[17 Seconds]

Bump.

I love Gagne

 

 

Sorry, can't do it. Can't put it on Gagne this time. If Weeks makes a play that T-Ball kids make then it's game over and it doesn't go 12 innings.

 

Gagne let Cesar Izturis and Skip Schumaker on base. He wasn't without blame.

 

No way you can put this on Gagne. Izturis should not of been on, the ump blew a strike 3 call after he froze Izturis. Shumaker was a hard hit ball, he is hitting .324 this year, but yeah that was hit bad. And then he got the best hitter in baseball to ground into a double play and Rickie Weeks decides to throw like a little girl to first.

 

 

BS. When you hit a sub .200 hitter to start the inning and then allow a hard hit single to put runners at the corners with no outs in a 1 run game, it's your fault. I don't care what happens after that. Pujols' hard hit ground ball could have easily gotten past Hall anyways. He was lucky that the hard hit ball was hit drectly at Hall in the first place. The key of that inning was Izturis. I didn't see this alleged blown call by the ump, but it shouldn't have come to that anyways. How are you going to go to a full count on Cesar [expletive] Izturis leading off the 9th in a one run game?

[ELCABALLO45]

Bump.

I love Gagne

 

 

Sorry, can't do it. Can't put it on Gagne this time. If Weeks makes a play that T-Ball kids make then it's game over and it doesn't go 12 innings.

 

Gagne let Cesar Izturis and Skip Schumaker on base. He wasn't without blame.

 

No way you can put this on Gagne. Izturis should not of been on, the ump blew a strike 3 call after he froze Izturis. Shumaker was a hard hit ball, he is hitting .324 this year, but yeah that was hit bad. And then he got the best hitter in baseball to ground into a double play and Rickie Weeks decides to throw like a little girl to first.

 

 

BS. When you hit a sub .200 hitter to start the inning and then allow a hard hit single to put runners at the corners with no outs in a 1 run game, it's your fault. I don't care what happens after that. Pujols' hard hit ground ball could have easily gotten past Hall anyways. He was lucky that the hard hit ball was hit drectly at Hall in the first place. The key of that inning was Izturis. I didn't see this alleged blown call by the ump, but it shouldn't have come to that anyways. How are you going to go to a full count on Cesar I Dropped The Soap! Izturis leading off the 9th in a one run game?

 

You obviously didn't watch the game. It was a perfect pitch, Izturis watched it, and it Froze the Ump. Hard hit ball? Are you kidding? It was a regular double play ball to 3rd. A avg. 3rd baseman can field that.

[17 Seconds]

Bump.

I love Gagne

 

 

Sorry, can't do it. Can't put it on Gagne this time. If Weeks makes a play that T-Ball kids make then it's game over and it doesn't go 12 innings.

 

Gagne let Cesar Izturis and Skip Schumaker on base. He wasn't without blame.

 

No way you can put this on Gagne. Izturis should not of been on, the ump blew a strike 3 call after he froze Izturis. Shumaker was a hard hit ball, he is hitting .324 this year, but yeah that was hit bad. And then he got the best hitter in baseball to ground into a double play and Rickie Weeks decides to throw like a little girl to first.

 

 

BS. When you hit a sub .200 hitter to start the inning and then allow a hard hit single to put runners at the corners with no outs in a 1 run game, it's your fault. I don't care what happens after that. Pujols' hard hit ground ball could have easily gotten past Hall anyways. He was lucky that the hard hit ball was hit drectly at Hall in the first place. The key of that inning was Izturis. I didn't see this alleged blown call by the ump, but it shouldn't have come to that anyways. How are you going to go to a full count on Cesar I Dropped The Soap! Izturis leading off the 9th in a one run game?

 

You obviously didn't watch the game. It was a perfect pitch, Izturis watched it, and it Froze the Ump. Hard hit ball? Are you kidding? It was a regular double play ball to 3rd. A avg. 3rd baseman can field that.

 

You're missing the point. It should have never come to that on a hitter as bad as Izturis. Anyways, I just watched the replay and it's not even close to as bad as you're making it out to be. It was a borderline pitch that could have gone either way. It wasn't close to "blown call" territory. Like I said though, it shouldn't have come to that. He fell behind 2-0 on 2 fastballs not even close to the zone, then we he got it to 2-2 he throws a changeup? A 2-2 changeup to Cesar Izturis? Come on. That ball you're talking about was one pitch out of 6. He went 3-2 on a crappy hitter and then hit him, period. He did that to himself.

 

As for the Pujols play, you're right when you say it wasn't that hard hit. I just checked the replay and it wasn't what I thought. My point stands though, because that ball could have easily gotten by Hall. Gagne did a good job getting the ground ball, but it's not like Pujols hit it right at an infielder because of Gagne's awesome pitching skills or something. When you put runners at the corners with no outs in a 1 run game, tons of things can happen. You put a ton of pressure on your infielders, and even though he would have gotten out of it if Weeks makes that throw, it was his fault they were in that situation to begin with.

 

By the way, I wouldn't call that Pujols ground ball a routine play. That was a great pick by Hall.

[ELCABALLO45]

Bump.

I love Gagne

 

 

Sorry, can't do it. Can't put it on Gagne this time. If Weeks makes a play that T-Ball kids make then it's game over and it doesn't go 12 innings.

 

Gagne let Cesar Izturis and Skip Schumaker on base. He wasn't without blame.

 

No way you can put this on Gagne. Izturis should not of been on, the ump blew a strike 3 call after he froze Izturis. Shumaker was a hard hit ball, he is hitting .324 this year, but yeah that was hit bad. And then he got the best hitter in baseball to ground into a double play and Rickie Weeks decides to throw like a little girl to first.

 

 

BS. When you hit a sub .200 hitter to start the inning and then allow a hard hit single to put runners at the corners with no outs in a 1 run game, it's your fault. I don't care what happens after that. Pujols' hard hit ground ball could have easily gotten past Hall anyways. He was lucky that the hard hit ball was hit drectly at Hall in the first place. The key of that inning was Izturis. I didn't see this alleged blown call by the ump, but it shouldn't have come to that anyways. How are you going to go to a full count on Cesar I Dropped The Soap! Izturis leading off the 9th in a one run game?

 

You obviously didn't watch the game. It was a perfect pitch, Izturis watched it, and it Froze the Ump. Hard hit ball? Are you kidding? It was a regular double play ball to 3rd. A avg. 3rd baseman can field that.

 

You're missing the point. It should have never come to that on a hitter as bad as Izturis. Anyways, I just watched the replay and it's not even close to as bad as you're making it out to be. It was a borderline pitch that could have gone either way. It wasn't close to "blown call" territory. Like I said though, it shouldn't have come to that. He fell behind 2-0 on 2 fastballs not even close to the zone, then we he got it to 2-2 he throws a changeup? A 2-2 changeup to Cesar Izturis? Come on. That ball you're talking about was one pitch out of 6. He went 3-2 on a crappy hitter and then hit him, period. He did that to himself.

 

As for the Pujols play, you're right when you say it wasn't that hard hit. I just checked the replay and it wasn't what I thought. My point stands though, because that ball could have easily gotten by Hall. Gagne did a good job getting the ground ball, but it's not like Pujols hit it right at an infielder because of Gagne's awesome pitching skills or something. When you put runners at the corners with no outs in a 1 run game, tons of things can happen. You put a ton of pressure on your infielders, and even though he would have gotten out of it if Weeks makes that throw, it was his fault they were in that situation to begin with.

 

By the way, I wouldn't call that Pujols ground ball a routine play. That was a great pick by Hall.

 

It was a close call, but dealing with that ump all day, it felt like he was killing us all day. Go back and watch the 3-0 pitch to Braun in the first inning. Anyways the point is, he had to strike out Ankiel before Pujols even got up and he did that, and then he got a ground ball off of the best hitter in baseball, and his defense let him down. Weeks had all day to throw that ball and he blew it.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I don't even really like 12 man staffs. A 14 man staff is completely insane.

 

Ned Yost is a dope. I haven't seen enough of Cecil Cooper or John Russell to know for sure, but it looks like they're dopes too. Our division may have the 4 worst managers in the majors in it.

 

It's a good thing LaRussa and his genius-level IQ are around to make up for it.

[XZero771679666304]

 

You obviously didn't watch the game. It was a perfect pitch, Izturis watched it, and it Froze the Ump. Hard hit ball? Are you kidding? It was a regular double play ball to 3rd. A avg. 3rd baseman can field that.

 

After he pegged a terrible hitter and gave up a solid hit to a mediocre hitter leaving runners at first and third with no one out, Gagne deserved to blow the save, regardless of what happened afterward.