Maybe the White Sox are for real.

[Little Slide Rooter]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

[Rob]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

 

1.) The Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik trade did not help the White Sox.

 

2.) The White Sox are no more real than the A's or the Orioles right now.

[UMFan83]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

 

1.) The Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik trade did not help the White Sox.

 

2.) The White Sox are no more real than the A's or the Orioles right now.

 

They look good, but the Tigers will come back, the Indians will be good. 13-14 games is not a good sample size.

[RedFlash]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

 

1.) The Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik trade did not help the White Sox.

 

2.) The White Sox are no more real than the A's or the Orioles right now.

 

They look good, but the Tigers will come back, the Indians will be good. 13-14 games is not a good sample size.

 

Agreed. Once the Tigers get going, they will fly the White Sox in no time. They still have less starting pitching then the Cubs, and they still emply Juan Uribe, Joe Crede, and AJ Alphabet in the lineup. The White Sox are still a 75-80 win team.

[rawaction]

The Sox are a decent team. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Detroit doesn't have the pitching to be assumed so much better.

[RedFlash]

The Sox are a decent team. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Detroit doesn't have the pitching to be assumed so much better.

 

And I don't expect Detroit's pitching to be this bad all yr. I expect DD to make a move to make the pitching better. When the offense get going, Detroit will be a VERY hard team to stop. The Sox are a "Decent" team, but the Tigers can be more then decent.

[Little Slide Rooter]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

 

1.) The Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik trade did not help the White Sox.

 

2.) The White Sox are no more real than the A's or the Orioles right now.

 

Are you kidding me? He was their leadoff man. I guarantee the Cubs would take vintage 2005 Scott Podsednik in a heartbreat.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Sox are a decent team. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Detroit doesn't have the pitching to be assumed so much better.

 

The White Sox don't have the pitching either.

[VanceJergins]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

 

1.) The Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik trade did not help the White Sox.

 

2.) The White Sox are no more real than the A's or the Orioles right now.

 

Are you kidding me? He was their leadoff man. I guarantee the Cubs would take vintage 2005 Scott Podsednik in a heartbreat.

 

here it comes

[CubColtPacer]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

 

1.) The Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik trade did not help the White Sox.

 

2.) The White Sox are no more real than the A's or the Orioles right now.

 

Are you kidding me? He was their leadoff man. I guarantee the Cubs would take vintage 2005 Scott Podsednik in a heartbreat.

 

The Cubs had Scott Podsednik

 

Podsednik in 2005: .290/.351/.349, 59 SB/23 CS

Cubs player: .292/.330/.388, 58 SB/20 CS

 

The Cubs player played an average CF. Podsednik played an average left field.

 

It certainly can be argued that the Cubs player was actually more valuable than Podsenik was in 2005. Their offensive numbers are almost the exact same (21 points of OBP is offset by the 39 point advantage that the Cubs player has in SLG, and the Cubs player was slightly more efficient on the bases). The Cubs player also played CF, while Podsednik played one of the two easiest positions to play on the field.

 

So you're saying that the Cubs would love to have Juan Pierre back and that his 2006 season would be wonderful for them?

[SouthSideRyan]

Outslugged by Juan Pierre.

[JimSorgi]

Trades usually aren't very good when the guy you get can't come close to the production the other guy put up.

[JimSorgi]

Outslugged by Juan Pierre.

Yeah, I kind of feel bad for the guy.

[CoolHandLuke]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

 

1.) The Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik trade did not help the White Sox.

 

2.) The White Sox are no more real than the A's or the Orioles right now.

 

Are you kidding me? He was their leadoff man. I guarantee the Cubs would take vintage 2005 Scott Podsednik in a heartbreat.

 

 

Not at the cost of Aramis Ramirez. Kind of a bad example, but Carlos Lee brings similar offensive value to Aramis, and even has the same "lack of hustle" sort of stigma that productive latin players often receive.

[Bote McBoteface]

Think LA would accept an Aramis Ramirez for Juan Pierre trade?

[Andy]

Think LA would accept an Aramis Ramirez for Juan Pierre trade?

Based on Joe Torre's apparent opinion of him, LA would probably accept me for Juan Pierre.

[SABR Gamer]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

 

1.) The Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik trade did not help the White Sox.

 

2.) The White Sox are no more real than the A's or the Orioles right now.

 

They look good, but the Tigers will come back, the Indians will be good. 13-14 games is not a good sample size.

 

Agreed. Once the Tigers get going, they will fly the White Sox in no time. They still have less starting pitching then the Cubs, and they still emply Juan Uribe, Joe Crede, and AJ Alphabet in the lineup. The White Sox are still a 75-80 win team.

 

Joe Crede is good.... Pierzynski is pretty good too.

 

EDIT: well, sort of.

[SouthSideRyan]

say what you will about the White Sox, but everyone thought Kenny Williams was a mad man when he disposed of the likees of Mags, Frank Thomas, and Carlos Lee, and brought in washed up Jermaine Dye, the always hated AJ Pyrzinski, and the now defunct Scott Podsednik, but that worked out pretty well for them.

 

How great would a Cub/White Sox World Series be.

 

1.) The Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik trade did not help the White Sox.

 

2.) The White Sox are no more real than the A's or the Orioles right now.

 

They look good, but the Tigers will come back, the Indians will be good. 13-14 games is not a good sample size.

 

Agreed. Once the Tigers get going, they will fly the White Sox in no time. They still have less starting pitching then the Cubs, and they still emply Juan Uribe, Joe Crede, and AJ Alphabet in the lineup. The White Sox are still a 75-80 win team.

 

Joe Crede is good.... Pierzynski is pretty good too.

 

EDIT: well, sort of.

 

They're both league averagish. Pierzynski's probably worse.

[JonnyRed]

Think the Sox would look good with Maggs in the lineup, if it wasn't for Ozzie and KW's verbal war...Yeah, Carlos Lee as well.

 

And the genius would have traded Crede in a heartbeat if anyone wanted to take him back in the spring.

[TruffleShuffle]

Are you kidding me? He was their leadoff man. I guarantee the Cubs would take vintage 2005 Scott Podsednik in a heartbreat.

 

oh dear...

[ELCABALLO45]

Pierre played in 33 more games then Scotty.

 

Scotty still stole 1 more base then Pierre.

 

Scotty walked 15 more times then Pierre, yet Pierre has 192 more AT BATS.

 

Pierre only scored 7 more runs, in 33 more games.

 

Im not saying Scotty is a god, but to compare 05' Scotty to 06' Pierre is pretty foolish.

[SouthSideRyan]

Pierre played in 33 more games then Scotty.

 

So Pierre was more durable and didn't have to allow dreck(I guess drecker?) like Timo Perez start in his place.

 

Scotty still stole 1 more base then Pierre.

 

And thrown out 3 more times.

 

Scotty walked 15 more times then Pierre, yet Pierre has 192 more AT BATS.

 

Pierre had 57 more hits.

 

Pierre only scored 7 more runs, in 33 more games.

 

Pierre was on a team whose collective line was .268/.319/.422 Podsednik's team was .262/.322/.425 A small difference, but may make a difference of a few runs, at best a marginal advantage for Podsednik, in a largley useless category.

 

Im not saying Scotty is a god, but to compare 05' Scotty to 06' Pierre is pretty foolish.

 

I'm not saying Pierre is anything but complete garbage,(as are many of these comparison categories) but if you can squint and make another player the same as him, then that player is likely trash as well.

[ELCABALLO45]

Pierre played in 33 more games then Scotty.

 

So Pierre was more durable and didn't have to allow dreck(I guess drecker?) like Timo Perez start in his place.

 

Scotty still stole 1 more base then Pierre.

 

And thrown out 3 more times. (1.)

 

Scotty walked 15 more times then Pierre, yet Pierre has 192 more AT BATS.

 

Pierre had 57 more hits.(2.)

 

Pierre only scored 7 more runs, in 33 more games.

 

Pierre was on a team whose collective line was .268/.319/.422 Podsednik's team was .262/.322/.425 A small difference, but may make a difference of a few runs, at best a marginal advantage for Podsednik, in a largley useless category. (3.)

 

Im not saying Scotty is a god, but to compare 05' Scotty to 06' Pierre is pretty foolish.

 

I'm not saying Pierre is anything but complete garbage,(as are many of these comparison categories) but if you can squint and make another player the same as him, then that player is likely trash as well.

 

1. True, however if Pods plays the entire year, he steals around 16 more bases, which is a big diffrence.

 

2. He also had 192 more at bats. Again if Pods gets 699 at bats in 2005, he ends up with about 202 hits (but that nots the point)

 

3. To say RUNS in a useless is pretty poor, the point of the game as a leadoff hitter is to score runs, and Pods did that just as good as Pierre in alot less time.

 

Being a Brewer fan, I also know that Pods has ALOT more power then Pierre.

 

Im not trying to argue with you, im just saying that Pods and Pierre are not the same player at all.

[SouthSideRyan]

Podsednik certainly has more HR power than Pierre, fact is Pierre outslugged him when comparing his '06 to Podsednik's '05. The point is if Podsednik had even more SBs in those additional games, he'd also have more CS to go along with it negating the gain in steals. The category of runs is largely useless because it relies so heavily on your teammates to bring you in. You could get on base 100% of the time, and you won't score a run unless your teammates' can bring you home.

[ELCABALLO45]

Podsednik certainly has more HR power than Pierre, fact is Pierre outslugged him when comparing his '06 to Podsednik's '05. The point is if Podsednik had even more SBs in those additional games, he'd also have more CS to go along with it negating the gain in steals. The category of runs is largely useless because it relies so heavily on your teammates to bring you in. You could get on base 100% of the time, and you won't score a run unless your teammates' can bring you home.

 

 

I see your point. All I have ever been trying to get out of this is, the Scotty P for Carlos Lee deal helped the White Sox alot. They gave them a lead off hitter. The Brewers got a clean up hitter who they needed. It was a rare trade that helped both teams.