Cedeno Over Cintron / Fontenot Over Murton - Paul Sullivan

[Wheelimus]

Now Lou is saying the "catch the ball" crap.

 

"One thing I do like about our team is we're going to catch the ball," Piniella said. "This year we're encouraged about our defensive thing."

 

That's not really "crap." He's just saying he likes the team's defense, and that's a good thing. This isn't like when Hendry said he wanted to find players who can "catch the ball."

 

I don't see any reason to jump on Lou for this comment. Defense is a huge part of preventing runs.

This sounds like something John Madden would say

 

Why? Preventing runs is about defense and pitching. Lots of people overlook the "defense" part of that.

Seriously? Others combine the two as part of "defense" and your statement comes out sounding like "run prevention is the key to preventing runs" or "the team who scores the most points will probably win this game."

 

Whatever you say, man.

 

Yeah, that's a little much. That's "grammar police" level. There was nothing wrong with what you posted. Defense isn't the only part of preventing runs. That would be the only way that statement could mean "run prevention is the key to preventing runs." Weaksauce.

 

Defense matters. Obviously not as much as your offense or your pitching. But a team better not take it lightly. Ask the 2007 Brewers.

[brinoch]

Now Lou is saying the "catch the ball" crap.

 

"One thing I do like about our team is we're going to catch the ball," Piniella said. "This year we're encouraged about our defensive thing."

 

That's not really "crap." He's just saying he likes the team's defense, and that's a good thing. This isn't like when Hendry said he wanted to find players who can "catch the ball."

 

I don't see any reason to jump on Lou for this comment. Defense is a huge part of preventing runs.

This sounds like something John Madden would say

 

Why? Preventing runs is about defense and pitching. Lots of people overlook the "defense" part of that.

Seriously? Others combine the two as part of "defense" and your statement comes out sounding like "run prevention is the key to preventing runs" or "the team who scores the most points will probably win this game."

 

Most people look at defense and pitching as separate things. That's why we have position players and pitchers. Also: Z=A+B

 

Another way to look at it is: Run prevention = Defense + Pitching

[David]

Most people look at defense and pitching as separate things. That's why we have position players and pitchers. Also: Z=A+B

 

Another way to look at it is: Run prevention = .1% Defense + 99.9% Pitching

 

Fixed.

 

These are scientific numbers, people. Don't doubt them.

[Jon]

It should technically be called fielding and not defense, as defense is the combined effort of pitching and fielding (mostly pitching) to prevent runs from scoring.

[Tyrant]

We should have more posts analyzing a semantic detail of my previous post, when it was perfectly clear what I meant.

[bukie]

We should have more posts analyzing a semantic detail of my previous post, when it was perfectly clear what I meant.

 

It's been a quiet last 2 months of the offseason.

[Skyballer]

I really hope Murton is traded, he has earned his spot on a major league roster. I understand why he is not making it, but he should be traded.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I really hope Murton is traded, he has earned his spot on a major league roster. I understand why he is not making it, but he should be traded.

are you a fan of his?

[Tyrant]

I really hope Murton is traded, he has earned his spot on a major league roster. I understand why he is not making it, but he should be traded.

 

I don't see any reason to trade him. The Cubs should do what is best for their team -- they don't really owe Murton anything.

 

As of now, he provides great insurance in case Soriano or Fukudome get hurt. That's what he should be used for. Not a trade just to trade.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I really hope Murton is traded, he has earned his spot on a major league roster. I understand why he is not making it, but he should be traded.

 

 

The Cubs should only trade Murton if it benefits the Cubs. Murton's best interests are only a concern if what is best for Murton is also best for the Cubs. That's a sad reality, but the Cubs should not give Murton away just because he isn't a starter or on the bench this year.

[Vanilla Ice]

We should have more posts analyzing a semantic detail of my previous post, when it was perfectly clear what I meant.

 

It's been a quiet last 2 months of the offseason.

 

We signed Reed Johnson

[hardcorecubfan]

Murton should be playing LF, with Soriano or Fukudome in CF and the other in RF.

 

that's how I always assumed it would end up. Thanks Jim and Lou for making an ass out of me, I just hope it doens't make one of u

[RedFlash]

I really hope Murton is traded, he has earned his spot on a major league roster. I understand why he is not making it, but he should be traded.

 

 

The Cubs should only trade Murton if it benefits the Cubs. Murton's best interests are only a concern if what is best for Murton is also best for the Cubs. That's a sad reality, but the Cubs should not give Murton away just because he isn't a starter or on the bench this year.

 

Agreed.

[RynoRules]

Murton's value will go up as the season goes on and the injuries start to pile up. He is a very solid ML contributor and could easily be traded to another contender or used as a chip in a deal for the SS we so desperately need.

[Guest]

I'd just like to throw my own equation out there...

 

No $130+M on Soriano after 2006 = cash available for run at ARod after 2007

[Rob]

I'd just like to throw my own equation out there...

 

No $130+M on Soriano after 2006 = cash available for run at ARod after 2007

 

+1

 

Theriot

Soriano

Lee

Aramis

Fukudome

DeRosa

Soto

Pie

 

or

 

Murton

Fukudome

ARod

Lee

Aramis

DeRosa

Soto

Pie

[CubColtPacer]

I'd just like to throw my own equation out there...

 

No $130+M on Soriano after 2006 = cash available for run at ARod after 2007

 

From what it sounds like, the Cubs wouldn't have pursued A-Rod no matter their cash reserves. It was a position problem rather than lack of available cash.

 

Now you can say that's a horrible move to not consider moving him back to SS, and you'd at least have a pretty good case. I just don't think the Soriano signing and the lack of interest in A-Rod had anything to do with one another.

[Guest]

I'd just like to throw my own equation out there...

 

No $130+M on Soriano after 2006 = cash available for run at ARod after 2007

 

From what it sounds like, the Cubs wouldn't have pursued A-Rod no matter their cash reserves. It was a position problem rather than lack of available cash.

 

Now you can say that's a horrible move to not consider moving him back to SS, and you'd at least have a pretty good case. I just don't think the Soriano signing and the lack of interest in A-Rod had anything to do with one another.

Well, you can say that the Cubs wouldn't have gotten past the position thing and I might agree. But I guarantee the Soriano signing had an awful lot to do with the Cubs not being interested in going after a $25M/yr player this winter.

[Soul]

I'd just like to throw my own equation out there...

 

No $130+M on Soriano after 2006 = cash available for run at ARod after 2007

 

From what it sounds like, the Cubs wouldn't have pursued A-Rod no matter their cash reserves. It was a position problem rather than lack of available cash.

 

Now you can say that's a horrible move to not consider moving him back to SS, and you'd at least have a pretty good case. I just don't think the Soriano signing and the lack of interest in A-Rod had anything to do with one another.

Well, you can say that the Cubs wouldn't have gotten past the position thing and I might agree. But I guarantee the Soriano signing had an awful lot to do with the Cubs not being interested in going after a $25M/yr player this winter.

 

Other factors were also in play, such as the unstable ownership situation.

[bhogg]

I wish they'd trade ARam. He deserves to win a WS title and I understand why he's not getting one here, so I wish they'd trade him to the RED Sox or Yankees..

[David]

I wish they'd trade ARam. He deserves to win a WS title and I understand why he's not getting one here, so I wish they'd trade him to the RED Sox or Yankees..

 

wat?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Im not going to lie, I may shed a tear when Opening Day happens and Matt Murton is on another team.

[TruffleShuffle]

i don't think it's necessarily fair to say "we should've signed tejada and vlad, and not soriano" or whatever, just because that is 20/20 hindsight. we should've drafted pujols and gotten johan santana in the rule v draft too. there were a LOT of people on this board clamoring to sign j.d. drew and jason schmidt, and those contracts look terrible now. yes, one can say that hendry could've allocated his resources more effectively, but i don't think you can say "if he'd done this then he could've done "

[Southpaw191679666239]

Didn't Jim say they'd make a decision on Matt Murton after Saturday's game? Well.... I'm waiting!! :) I'd like to see how this shakes out.

[bhogg]

I wish they'd trade ARam. He deserves to win a WS title and I understand why he's not getting one here, so I wish they'd trade him to the RED Sox or Yankees..

 

wat?

 

 

 

If we're going to get rid of murton for the sake of letting him start on another team, we might as well let our truly awesome players flourish in a better setting.

 

It would be a terrible idea to have as many quality players as possible, regardless if they are starting for us.

 

You nome sane?