Rotoworld's Projected NL Lineups

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Cubs' lineup doesn't make me very happy.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I dont think it look like a bad lineup, but you might have missed this part

 

On the off chance that the Cubs don't make a deal before the end of the spring, this is what I imagine they'd go with for a roster

[Tracer Bullet]

I know everyone says that lineup order has little effect on a team's record, and I generally agree. But, as with most general statements, there are limits (batting Corey and Neifi 1/2 a couple years ago jumps to mind). Similarly, it's going to take a lot to convince me that Theriot bat 1st rather than 8th isn't going to hurt this team.

 

Disclaimer: I'm not overreacting. I know it's still pre-season and this is just some guy making predictions. But I don't think his projected lineup is completely unbelievable either.

[bukie]

Wow, the Giants are bad. And the Reds and Cardinals make me smile, for now.

[Roast]

Wow, the Giants are bad. And the Reds and Cardinals make me smile, for now.

 

I'm also worried that Joey Votto's poor spring will result in his demotion.

Heh heh heh heh heh.

[Wilson A2000]

Soto - Has about as much upside as any second-tier catcher.

 

Ouch!

[Derwood]

Soto - Has about as much upside as any second-tier catcher.

 

Ouch!

 

i think that was a compliment, actually. you're not going to put him in the first tier (ie Victor Martinez, Jorge Posada, etc.) at this point in his career, so I think the writer was saying that outside of drafting a superstar catcher, you could do worse than Soto on your fantasy team

[Lefty]

I know everyone says that lineup order has little effect on a team's record, and I generally agree. But, as with most general statements, there are limits (batting Corey and Neifi 1/2 a couple years ago jumps to mind). Similarly, it's going to take a lot to convince me that Theriot bat 1st rather than 8th isn't going to hurt this team.

 

Last year's stats. I don't have full data, but these are the amount of ABs + BBs by order in Cub lineup.

 

#1 757

#2 735

#3 716

#4 698

#5 683

#6 669

#7 655

#8 628

#9 602

 

I am sure some of you have sacrifice and HBP data to do a better job of this. But the amount of ABs that Theriot would take from far superior hitters is ridiculous. David Eckstein gives me hope that this is not fatal. Just stupid.

[Ender]

Soto - Has about as much upside as any second-tier catcher.

 

Ouch!

 

i think that was a compliment, actually. you're not going to put him in the first tier (ie Victor Martinez, Jorge Posada, etc.) at this point in his career, so I think the writer was saying that outside of drafting a superstar catcher, you could do worse than Soto on your fantasy team

 

Yeah 1st tier guys would be Vmart, Martin, McCann, Mauer, Posada. So they are saying he has as much upside as the #6 C in baseball.

[NOLA]

St. Louis

 

RF Skip Schumaker/2B Aaron Miles

LF Chris Duncan/Brian Barton

1B Albert Pujols

CF Rick Ankiel/3B Troy Glaus

3B Troy Glaus/CF Rick Ankiel

2B Adam Kennedy/RF Ryan Ludwick

C Yadier Molina

Pitcher

SS Cesar Izturis

Bench: Ludwick, Miles, INF Brendan Ryan, Barton, C Jason LaRue

 

Wow! The Cardinals look terrible! They had better hope Pujols stays healthy. And not even to mention their pitching...

[nilodnayr]

I know everyone says that lineup order has little effect on a team's record, and I generally agree. But, as with most general statements, there are limits (batting Corey and Neifi 1/2 a couple years ago jumps to mind). Similarly, it's going to take a lot to convince me that Theriot bat 1st rather than 8th isn't going to hurt this team.

 

Last year's stats. I don't have full data, but these are the amount of ABs + BBs by order in Cub lineup.

 

#1 757

#2 735

#3 716

#4 698

#5 683

#6 669

#7 655

#8 628

#9 602

 

I am sure some of you have sacrifice and HBP data to do a better job of this. But the amount of ABs that Theriot would take from far superior hitters is ridiculous. David Eckstein gives me hope that this is not fatal. Just stupid.

 

Yeah that more or less is about the average differences in lineup spots over the course of the year. I'm a firm believer in getting your best players the most PAs and your worst the least.

[BigbadB]

I know everyone says that lineup order has little effect on a team's record, and I generally agree. But, as with most general statements, there are limits (batting Corey and Neifi 1/2 a couple years ago jumps to mind). Similarly, it's going to take a lot to convince me that Theriot bat 1st rather than 8th isn't going to hurt this team.

 

Last year's stats. I don't have full data, but these are the amount of ABs + BBs by order in Cub lineup.

 

#1 757

#2 735

#3 716

#4 698

#5 683

#6 669

#7 655

#8 628

#9 602

 

I am sure some of you have sacrifice and HBP data to do a better job of this. But the amount of ABs that Theriot would take from far superior hitters is ridiculous. David Eckstein gives me hope that this is not fatal. Just stupid.

 

Here are the numbers by Plate Appearance (Cubs 2007):

 

1st-765

2nd-745

3rd-729

4th-709

5th-695

6th-682

7th-668

8th-648

9th-627

[Wilson A2000]

Soto - Has about as much upside as any second-tier catcher.

 

Ouch!

 

i think that was a compliment, actually. you're not going to put him in the first tier (ie Victor Martinez, Jorge Posada, etc.) at this point in his career, so I think the writer was saying that outside of drafting a superstar catcher, you could do worse than Soto on your fantasy team

 

Yeah 1st tier guys would be Vmart, Martin, McCann, Mauer, Posada. So they are saying he has as much upside as the #6 C in baseball.

 

I could see Soto being just as good as Martin and McCann when you look at his skills overall. They might be better offensively, but doesn't Soto have the edge defensively?

[CubColtPacer]

Soto - Has about as much upside as any second-tier catcher.

 

Ouch!

 

i think that was a compliment, actually. you're not going to put him in the first tier (ie Victor Martinez, Jorge Posada, etc.) at this point in his career, so I think the writer was saying that outside of drafting a superstar catcher, you could do worse than Soto on your fantasy team

 

Yeah 1st tier guys would be Vmart, Martin, McCann, Mauer, Posada. So they are saying he has as much upside as the #6 C in baseball.

 

I could see Soto being just as good as Martin and McCann when you look at his skills overall. They might be better offensively, but doesn't Soto have the edge defensively?

 

The article is for helping people with their fantasy baseball leagues.

 

And I don't think Soto has an edge on Martin defensively. He probably does on McCann.

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The projected Cubs lineup is unfortunate.

[dew1679666265]

The projected Cubs lineup is unfortunate.

 

As for the lineup, we'll almost surely see several combinations tried during the season

 

I think this is a very important point not to overlook. I don't like the lineup projected in the story, but even if the regular season starts with this lineup, the chances of Lou leaving it as is are next to 0.

 

Changes will be made, and I fully expect Theriot to be one of the changes if he doesn't play well.

[NonProfitCow]

St. Louis

 

RF Skip Schumaker/2B Aaron Miles

LF Chris Duncan/Brian Barton

1B Albert Pujols

CF Rick Ankiel/3B Troy Glaus

3B Troy Glaus/CF Rick Ankiel

2B Adam Kennedy/RF Ryan Ludwick

C Yadier Molina

Pitcher

SS Cesar Izturis

Bench: Ludwick, Miles, INF Brendan Ryan, Barton, C Jason LaRue

 

Wow! The Cardinals look terrible! They had better hope Pujols stays healthy. And not even to mention their pitching...

 

Most of the lineup is going to be bad, but 2-3-4-5 is going to be very very good.

[seanimal]

St. Louis

 

RF Skip Schumaker/2B Aaron Miles

LF Chris Duncan/Brian Barton

1B Albert Pujols

CF Rick Ankiel/3B Troy Glaus

3B Troy Glaus/CF Rick Ankiel

2B Adam Kennedy/RF Ryan Ludwick

C Yadier Molina

Pitcher

SS Cesar Izturis

Bench: Ludwick, Miles, INF Brendan Ryan, Barton, C Jason LaRue

 

Wow! The Cardinals look terrible! They had better hope Pujols stays healthy. And not even to mention their pitching...

 

Most of the lineup is going to be bad, but 2-3-4-5 is going to be very very good.

 

we'll revisit this statement at the end of the season.

[BigbadB]

The only thing keeping St. Louis' line up from being the worst in the NL is San Francisco's line up.

[jyoung55]

St. Louis

 

RF Skip Schumaker/2B Aaron Miles

LF Chris Duncan/Brian Barton

1B Albert Pujols

CF Rick Ankiel/3B Troy Glaus

3B Troy Glaus/CF Rick Ankiel

2B Adam Kennedy/RF Ryan Ludwick

C Yadier Molina

Pitcher

SS Cesar Izturis

Bench: Ludwick, Miles, INF Brendan Ryan, Barton, C Jason LaRue

 

Wow! The Cardinals look terrible! They had better hope Pujols stays healthy. And not even to mention their pitching...

 

Most of the lineup is going to be bad, but 2-3-4-5 is going to be very very good.

 

Very Very Good, Eh? How then does a 2-3-4-5 of Soriano, Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome look to you? The only one of those were the Cardinals are better would be potentially needing surgery. And if "most of the lineup is going to be bad," how then can EXACTLY HALF of the everyday players be described as very very good?

[bukie]

To me, that lineup looks like Pujols-Glaus and pray for walks.

[BigbadB]

To me, that lineup looks like Pujols-Glaus and pray for walks.

 

To me, that line up looks like walk Pujols and Glaus and take your chances with everyone else. :wink:

[javy knows my name]

St. Louis

 

RF Skip Schumaker/2B Aaron Miles

LF Chris Duncan/Brian Barton

1B Albert Pujols

CF Rick Ankiel/3B Troy Glaus

3B Troy Glaus/CF Rick Ankiel

2B Adam Kennedy/RF Ryan Ludwick

C Yadier Molina

Pitcher

SS Cesar Izturis

Bench: Ludwick, Miles, INF Brendan Ryan, Barton, C Jason LaRue

 

Wow! The Cardinals look terrible! They had better hope Pujols stays healthy. And not even to mention their pitching...

Most of the lineup is going to be bad, but 2-3-4-5 is going to be very very good.

You sound awfully sure that Duncan and Ankiel can come close to repeating last year's production. I don't see it happening

[jersey cubs fan]

St. Louis

 

RF Skip Schumaker/2B Aaron Miles

LF Chris Duncan/Brian Barton

1B Albert Pujols

CF Rick Ankiel/3B Troy Glaus

3B Troy Glaus/CF Rick Ankiel

2B Adam Kennedy/RF Ryan Ludwick

C Yadier Molina

Pitcher

SS Cesar Izturis

Bench: Ludwick, Miles, INF Brendan Ryan, Barton, C Jason LaRue

 

Wow! The Cardinals look terrible! They had better hope Pujols stays healthy. And not even to mention their pitching...

Most of the lineup is going to be bad, but 2-3-4-5 is going to be very very good.

You sound awfully sure that Duncan and Ankiel can come close to repeating last year's production. I don't see it happening

 

Even if they do, nobody with a .328 OBP is very very good.

[NonProfitCow]

St. Louis

 

RF Skip Schumaker/2B Aaron Miles

LF Chris Duncan/Brian Barton

1B Albert Pujols

CF Rick Ankiel/3B Troy Glaus

3B Troy Glaus/CF Rick Ankiel

2B Adam Kennedy/RF Ryan Ludwick

C Yadier Molina

Pitcher

SS Cesar Izturis

Bench: Ludwick, Miles, INF Brendan Ryan, Barton, C Jason LaRue

 

Wow! The Cardinals look terrible! They had better hope Pujols stays healthy. And not even to mention their pitching...

 

Most of the lineup is going to be bad, but 2-3-4-5 is going to be very very good.

 

Very Very Good, Eh? How then does a 2-3-4-5 of Soriano, Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome look to you? The only one of those were the Cardinals are better would be potentially needing surgery. And if "most of the lineup is going to be bad," how then can EXACTLY HALF of the everyday players be described as very very good?

 

The Cubs 2-5 also look very very good, no doubt. Most of the lineup is going to be bad even though half of it is going to be very very good is because contrary to popular belief, in the National League, the pitcher still has to bat. That would make 5 of the 9 hitters in the lineup bad.