Re: The NFL Offseason Thread

[CuseCubFan69]

you know a rb who wasn't real big and didn't have big legs?

 

http://nbadraft.net/profiles/largepics/bsanders01.jpg

 

He is by far the most enjoyable fun to watch RB I have ever seen.

 

Its hard to tackle what you can't even touch.

 

It certainly is and he rarely had someone hit him solid.

[shnsajax]

he had strong legs but not huge legs.

 

i guess if we're rating guys on most intimidating, then we should talk about mr. t or magnus ver magnusson.

 

Or this guy if talking about actual football players. Guys this big should not be allowed to be this fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdvVaTbwMrE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGUYLbsf514&feature=related

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

IMO, the best combination of size/speed was Bo Jackson, though I think AD is right up there too.

[Magnetic Curses]

IMO, the best combination of size/speed was Bo Jackson, though I think AD is right up there too.

 

mendenhall's no bo jackson, but he's definitely more like bo jackson than mcfadden is like barry sanders.

[Chocolate Milk]

no one should kid themselves and think mcfadden has strong legs.......he almost always went down as soon as his legs were hit in college

That's surprising considering how successful he was in college.

 

Don't listen to Mike Mayock about this one. That guy has a vandetta against McFadden for some reason.

 

I love Mendenhall but if you gave me the choice of either, I'd take McFadden without much thought.

[wolf stansson]

Truffle, you aren't an NFL player. You're a weather man. I'm not an NFL player either. I'm not tackling either of these dudes. I have zero chance one-on-one to bring them down.

 

see that is your problem. i'd imagine that if i were on the field with them, i'd bring a gun or at least a two-by-four. i'd get 'em on the ground.

I see now that I'm bringing a losing attitude to the field and am doomed to failure.

[TruffleShuffle]

no one should kid themselves and think mcfadden has strong legs.......he almost always went down as soon as his legs were hit in college

That's surprising considering how successful he was in college.

 

Don't listen to Mike Mayock about this one. That guy has a vandetta against McFadden for some reason.

 

I love Mendenhall but if you gave me the choice of either, I'd take McFadden without much thought.

 

yeah i have a hard time believing that the guy was running about 6 yards a pop without breaking some tackles.

[Vanilla Ice]

I just read a bunch of mock drafts, and I hate the idea of us taking Matt Ryan at #3 with so many other holes.

 

By far, my dream scenario of all the mock drafts on the internet is this one.

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php

 

Jake Long, Brian Brohm, Pat Sims, Curtis Lofton then some tight end

[Vanilla Ice]

Raiders just signed Tommy Kelly to the biggest contract ever for a DT, even though he has been playing DE and is only going to move to DT this year, and hes coming off a torn ACL.

[OleMissCub]

no one should kid themselves and think mcfadden has strong legs.......he almost always went down as soon as his legs were hit in college

That's surprising considering how successful he was in college.

 

Don't listen to Mike Mayock about this one. That guy has a vandetta against McFadden for some reason.

 

I love Mendenhall but if you gave me the choice of either, I'd take McFadden without much thought.

 

yeah i have a hard time believing that the guy was running about 6 yards a pop without breaking some tackles.

 

His high rushing average is due in large part (at least in my opinion) to his breakout runs he'd get alot. I get to see a good bit of SEC football down here and it seemed to me like McFadden's rushes would go something like 2 yards, no gain, 7 yards, 2 yards, 18 yards, 1 yard, -3 loss, 28 yards, 70 yards, 2 yards, etc. He depended totally on his speed and would rarely bowl over people, like Peterson (uber-stud), or juke people out of their shoes, like Bush (a bust). He seemed to just take off and people wouldn't be able to get a hand on him. With the speed the NFL seems to have at LB these days, I don't think he's going to get those big runs like he got in college.

[TruffleShuffle]

no one should kid themselves and think mcfadden has strong legs.......he almost always went down as soon as his legs were hit in college

That's surprising considering how successful he was in college.

 

Don't listen to Mike Mayock about this one. That guy has a vandetta against McFadden for some reason.

 

I love Mendenhall but if you gave me the choice of either, I'd take McFadden without much thought.

 

yeah i have a hard time believing that the guy was running about 6 yards a pop without breaking some tackles.

 

His high rushing average is due in large part (at least in my opinion) to his breakout runs he'd get alot. I get to see a good bit of SEC football down here and it seemed to me like McFadden's rushes would go something like 2 yards, no gain, 7 yards, 2 yards, 18 yards, 1 yard, -3 loss, 28 yards, 70 yards, 2 yards, etc. He depended totally on his speed and would rarely bowl over people, like Peterson (uber-stud), or juke people out of their shoes, like Bush (a bust). He seemed to just take off and people wouldn't be able to get a hand on him. With the speed the NFL seems to have at LB these days, I don't think he's going to get those big runs like he got in college.

 

the nfl doesn't have 4.27 speed at linebacker.

[CubColtPacer]

no one should kid themselves and think mcfadden has strong legs.......he almost always went down as soon as his legs were hit in college

That's surprising considering how successful he was in college.

 

Don't listen to Mike Mayock about this one. That guy has a vandetta against McFadden for some reason.

 

I love Mendenhall but if you gave me the choice of either, I'd take McFadden without much thought.

 

yeah i have a hard time believing that the guy was running about 6 yards a pop without breaking some tackles.

 

His high rushing average is due in large part (at least in my opinion) to his breakout runs he'd get alot. I get to see a good bit of SEC football down here and it seemed to me like McFadden's rushes would go something like 2 yards, no gain, 7 yards, 2 yards, 18 yards, 1 yard, -3 loss, 28 yards, 70 yards, 2 yards, etc. He depended totally on his speed and would rarely bowl over people, like Peterson (uber-stud), or juke people out of their shoes, like Bush (a bust). He seemed to just take off and people wouldn't be able to get a hand on him. With the speed the NFL seems to have at LB these days, I don't think he's going to get those big runs like he got in college.

 

Looking over the game logs, I don't think that's true. He had only 5 runs over 30 yards all season long. That certainly doesn't scream breakaway back. He also didn't appear to have too many runs for losses or short gains. It was his runs between 5-15 yards that he did a really good job of and made his average so high.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Cowboys re-signed Flozell Adams. I'm hearing it's a six year deal, but I haven't gotten word on the specifics.

 

The Rams released Issac Bruce. He's getting up there in years, but he's still a good reciever if someone is looking.

 

Also, it looks like word out of Cleveland is that if Derek Anderson regects the Browns' latest offer, the team is fully prepared to take a 1st and 3rd for him and would not match any offers that he receives.

[jaydee]

no one should kid themselves and think mcfadden has strong legs.......he almost always went down as soon as his legs were hit in college

That's surprising considering how successful he was in college.

 

Don't listen to Mike Mayock about this one. That guy has a vandetta against McFadden for some reason.

 

I love Mendenhall but if you gave me the choice of either, I'd take McFadden without much thought.

 

yeah i have a hard time believing that the guy was running about 6 yards a pop without breaking some tackles.

 

His high rushing average is due in large part (at least in my opinion) to his breakout runs he'd get alot. I get to see a good bit of SEC football down here and it seemed to me like McFadden's rushes would go something like 2 yards, no gain, 7 yards, 2 yards, 18 yards, 1 yard, -3 loss, 28 yards, 70 yards, 2 yards, etc. He depended totally on his speed and would rarely bowl over people, like Peterson (uber-stud), or juke people out of their shoes, like Bush (a bust). He seemed to just take off and people wouldn't be able to get a hand on him. With the speed the NFL seems to have at LB these days, I don't think he's going to get those big runs like he got in college.

 

the nfl doesn't have 4.27 speed at linebacker.

 

The nfl has linebackers that are a lot faster than college linebackers, which will make mcfadden's speed a lot less of a factor. Like olemiss said, mcfadden was successful a lot in college because of explosive speed and good vision. I'm not sure his style will translate well into the NFL since he runs upright and not many upright runners are successful unless they are big strong backs(like AP), which mcfadden is not.

[Magnetic Curses]

no one should kid themselves and think mcfadden has strong legs.......he almost always went down as soon as his legs were hit in college

That's surprising considering how successful he was in college.

 

Don't listen to Mike Mayock about this one. That guy has a vandetta against McFadden for some reason.

 

I love Mendenhall but if you gave me the choice of either, I'd take McFadden without much thought.

 

yeah i have a hard time believing that the guy was running about 6 yards a pop without breaking some tackles.

 

His high rushing average is due in large part (at least in my opinion) to his breakout runs he'd get alot. I get to see a good bit of SEC football down here and it seemed to me like McFadden's rushes would go something like 2 yards, no gain, 7 yards, 2 yards, 18 yards, 1 yard, -3 loss, 28 yards, 70 yards, 2 yards, etc. He depended totally on his speed and would rarely bowl over people, like Peterson (uber-stud), or juke people out of their shoes, like Bush (a bust). He seemed to just take off and people wouldn't be able to get a hand on him. With the speed the NFL seems to have at LB these days, I don't think he's going to get those big runs like he got in college.

 

the nfl doesn't have 4.27 speed at linebacker.

 

most linebackers can't outrun most rbs, what's your point? mendenhall is as big as a linebacker and as fast as a cb.

 

mcfadden's a big name because he's been hyped his whole career. he's fast and he's got talent, but is his game suitable for the pros?

[rawaction]

no one should kid themselves and think mcfadden has strong legs.......he almost always went down as soon as his legs were hit in college

That's surprising considering how successful he was in college.

 

Don't listen to Mike Mayock about this one. That guy has a vandetta against McFadden for some reason.

 

I love Mendenhall but if you gave me the choice of either, I'd take McFadden without much thought.

 

yeah i have a hard time believing that the guy was running about 6 yards a pop without breaking some tackles.

 

His high rushing average is due in large part (at least in my opinion) to his breakout runs he'd get alot. I get to see a good bit of SEC football down here and it seemed to me like McFadden's rushes would go something like 2 yards, no gain, 7 yards, 2 yards, 18 yards, 1 yard, -3 loss, 28 yards, 70 yards, 2 yards, etc. He depended totally on his speed and would rarely bowl over people, like Peterson (uber-stud), or juke people out of their shoes, like Bush (a bust). He seemed to just take off and people wouldn't be able to get a hand on him. With the speed the NFL seems to have at LB these days, I don't think he's going to get those big runs like he got in college.

 

Looking over the game logs, I don't think that's true. He had only 5 runs over 30 yards all season long. That certainly doesn't scream breakaway back. He also didn't appear to have too many runs for losses or short gains. It was his runs between 5-15 yards that he did a really good job of and made his average so high.

 

Yeah, usually when somebody uses "Seems" in an argument, it's nowhere near the truth. Bush is not a bust. He caught 90 passes as a rookie and was productive last year.

[Warpticon]

no one should kid themselves and think mcfadden has strong legs.......he almost always went down as soon as his legs were hit in college

That's surprising considering how successful he was in college.

 

Don't listen to Mike Mayock about this one. That guy has a vandetta against McFadden for some reason.

 

I love Mendenhall but if you gave me the choice of either, I'd take McFadden without much thought.

 

yeah i have a hard time believing that the guy was running about 6 yards a pop without breaking some tackles.

 

His high rushing average is due in large part (at least in my opinion) to his breakout runs he'd get alot. I get to see a good bit of SEC football down here and it seemed to me like McFadden's rushes would go something like 2 yards, no gain, 7 yards, 2 yards, 18 yards, 1 yard, -3 loss, 28 yards, 70 yards, 2 yards, etc. He depended totally on his speed and would rarely bowl over people, like Peterson (uber-stud), or juke people out of their shoes, like Bush (a bust). He seemed to just take off and people wouldn't be able to get a hand on him. With the speed the NFL seems to have at LB these days, I don't think he's going to get those big runs like he got in college.

 

Not even close to correct. Depended totally on his speed? He ran primarily between the tackles. Jones was the corner guy. The issue is his small lower body. IF you get at his legs, he can be tripped up. If you go at him high, give him a chance to lower his shoulder, or get within stiff-arm range, he will gain another 2-5 yards and/or take off your helmet.

[OleMissCub]

 

Looking over the game logs, I don't think that's true. He had only 5 runs over 30 yards all season long. That certainly doesn't scream breakaway back. He also didn't appear to have too many runs for losses or short gains. It was his runs between 5-15 yards that he did a really good job of and made his average so high.

 

Not sure if this typical or not of running backs. I bolded all his runs under 3 and over 10.

 

MIZZOU: 7, 1, 7, 1, 6, -3, 4, 1, 1, 19, 0, 3, 9, 0, 7, 3, 9, 18, 9, 0, 3

 

LSU: 2, 4, 5, 3, 7, 1, 12, 6, 4, 14, 2, 5, 7, 5, 2, 7, -3, 73, 3, -1, 2, -1, 1, 7, 6, 5, 5, 0, 4, 3, 9, 10

 

MSU: 3, -1, 4, 1, 2, 2, 0, 2, -1, 15, 1, 2, 3, 9, 5, 1, -1, 2, -2, 3, 3

 

TENN: 11, 1, -1, 4, 4, 6, 5, 2, 0, 8, 3, 3, 4, 7, 5, 4, 19, 2, 8, 20, 1, 0

 

SC: 1, 3, 14, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 13, 3, 2, -3, 9, 7, 2, 26, -2, 19, 2, 6, 13, 16, 1, 35, 4, 5, 3, 80, 12, 5, 7, 4, 3, 18

 

UM: -5, 5, 30, 8, 0, -1, 0, 3, 4, 2, 8, 5, 16, 1, 5, 11, 4, 6, 3, 3, 1, 4,

 

AUB: -2, 9, 6, 4, 4, 0, 5, 4, 1, 4, 2, 2, 2, 0, 13, -2, 3

 

UK: 1, 8, 2, 4, 3, -2, 5, 6, 11, 1, 2, 1, 3, 0, 1, 19, 56, 2, 5, 4, 5, 9, 11, 3, 2, 1, 6, 2, 2

 

BAMA: 6, 2, 3, 1, 2, 6, 4, 2, 14, 3, 8, 1, 5, 3, 6, 24, 3, 6, 5, 1, 6, 1, 13, 7, 3, 1, 11, 1, 6, 8, 12, 5, 20, 1

[OleMissCub]

If you go at him high, give him a chance to lower his shoulder, or get within stiff-arm range, he will gain another 2-5 yards and/or take off your helmet.

 

Talk about not even being close to correct. I've only seen him slam into someone once or twice. Certainly nothing close to like an AP. McFadden is a speedster and uses his speed, and not much else, to avoid contact. He's an exceptional talent, no doubt, but I just don't know how good he'll be in the pros.

[rawaction]

 

Looking over the game logs, I don't think that's true. He had only 5 runs over 30 yards all season long. That certainly doesn't scream breakaway back. He also didn't appear to have too many runs for losses or short gains. It was his runs between 5-15 yards that he did a really good job of and made his average so high.

 

Not sure if this typical or not of running backs. I bolded all his runs under 3 and over 10.

 

MIZZOU: 7, 1, 7, 1, 6, -3, 4, 1, 1, 19, 0, 3, 9, 0, 7, 3, 9, 18, 9, 0, 3

 

LSU: 2, 4, 5, 3, 7, 1, 12, 6, 4, 14, 2, 5, 7, 5, 2, 7, -3, 73, 3, -1, 2, -1, 1, 7, 6, 5, 5, 0, 4, 3, 9, 10

 

MSU: 3, -1, 4, 1, 2, 2, 0, 2, -1, 15, 1, 2, 3, 9, 5, 1, -1, 2, -2, 3, 3

 

TENN: 11, 1, -1, 4, 4, 6, 5, 2, 0, 8, 3, 3, 4, 7, 5, 4, 19, 2, 8, 20, 1, 0

 

SC: 1, 3, 14, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 13, 3, 2, -3, 9, 7, 2, 26, -2, 19, 2, 6, 13, 16, 1, 35, 4, 5, 3, 80, 12, 5, 7, 4, 3, 18

 

UM: -5, 5, 30, 8, 0, -1, 0, 3, 4, 2, 8, 5, 16, 1, 5, 11, 4, 6, 3, 3, 1, 4,

 

AUB: -2, 9, 6, 4, 4, 0, 5, 4, 1, 4, 2, 2, 2, 0, 13, -2, 3

 

UK: 1, 8, 2, 4, 3, -2, 5, 6, 11, 1, 2, 1, 3, 0, 1, 19, 56, 2, 5, 4, 5, 9, 11, 3, 2, 1, 6, 2, 2

 

BAMA: 6, 2, 3, 1, 2, 6, 4, 2, 14, 3, 8, 1, 5, 3, 6, 24, 3, 6, 5, 1, 6, 1, 13, 7, 3, 1, 11, 1, 6, 8, 12, 5, 20, 1

 

What does this prove? First of all it shows most of his runs were between 3-9. Kinda like every other RB in the history of Earth. Your greatly exaggerated example had 1 run between 3-9, out of 10. And for the record, AD's 224 yard game vs. the Bears. He had 20 carries, all but 2 were less than 3 or more than 10.

[Flames24Rulz]

Packers are rumored to trade Corey Williams to an unspecified team (please be Miami) for a 2nd round draft pick as soon as the FA period starts.

 

Management sounds real high on Johnny Jolly, Justin Harrell, and Colin Cole to fight it out for the other DT spot if we go ahead and do this.

[rawaction]

If you go at him high, give him a chance to lower his shoulder, or get within stiff-arm range, he will gain another 2-5 yards and/or take off your helmet.

 

Talk about not even being close to correct. I've only seen him slam into someone once or twice. Certainly nothing close to like an AP. McFadden is a speedster and uses his speed, and not much else, to avoid contact. He's an exceptional talent, no doubt, but I just don't know how good he'll be in the pros.

 

So, we should just go by what you have seen over what a clear Arkansas fan has seen and over all logic whatsoever?

[OleMissCub]

So, we should just go by what you have seen over what a clear Arkansas fan has seen and over all logic whatsoever?

 

A) Homers are hardly unbiased observers.

 

B) What logic?

[rawaction]

Here's some scouting reports on McFadden.

 

.Real strong...Tough and loves contact...Runs hard and does not go down easy..

-

 

Is going to fight for yards after the initial hits…Smooth runner between the tackles and can break it to the outside with his second gear…Good stiff arm and sells his jukes.

 

He can be a powerful runner with a full head of steam. Exceptional stiff arm. Very strong upper body. Keeps his legs pumping in traffic and will break many attempted arm tackles. Displays outstanding balance. Will gain lots of yards after contact simply because he bounces off the tackler and regains his balance instead of going down.

 

He has the rare combination of speed, vision and balance, and he doesn't shy away from hits (which gives him the ability to rack up significant yards after contact -- which NFL scouts love). He's also shown he's willing to be a physical blocker.

[shnsajax]

 

Looking over the game logs, I don't think that's true. He had only 5 runs over 30 yards all season long. That certainly doesn't scream breakaway back. He also didn't appear to have too many runs for losses or short gains. It was his runs between 5-15 yards that he did a really good job of and made his average so high.

 

Not sure if this typical or not of running backs. I bolded all his runs under 3 and over 10.

 

MIZZOU: 7, 1, 7, 1, 6, -3, 4, 1, 1, 19, 0, 3, 9, 0, 7, 3, 9, 18, 9, 0, 3

 

LSU: 2, 4, 5, 3, 7, 1, 12, 6, 4, 14, 2, 5, 7, 5, 2, 7, -3, 73, 3, -1, 2, -1, 1, 7, 6, 5, 5, 0, 4, 3, 9, 10

 

MSU: 3, -1, 4, 1, 2, 2, 0, 2, -1, 15, 1, 2, 3, 9, 5, 1, -1, 2, -2, 3, 3

 

TENN: 11, 1, -1, 4, 4, 6, 5, 2, 0, 8, 3, 3, 4, 7, 5, 4, 19, 2, 8, 20, 1, 0

 

SC: 1, 3, 14, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 13, 3, 2, -3, 9, 7, 2, 26, -2, 19, 2, 6, 13, 16, 1, 35, 4, 5, 3, 80, 12, 5, 7, 4, 3, 18

 

UM: -5, 5, 30, 8, 0, -1, 0, 3, 4, 2, 8, 5, 16, 1, 5, 11, 4, 6, 3, 3, 1, 4,

 

AUB: -2, 9, 6, 4, 4, 0, 5, 4, 1, 4, 2, 2, 2, 0, 13, -2, 3

 

UK: 1, 8, 2, 4, 3, -2, 5, 6, 11, 1, 2, 1, 3, 0, 1, 19, 56, 2, 5, 4, 5, 9, 11, 3, 2, 1, 6, 2, 2

 

BAMA: 6, 2, 3, 1, 2, 6, 4, 2, 14, 3, 8, 1, 5, 3, 6, 24, 3, 6, 5, 1, 6, 1, 13, 7, 3, 1, 11, 1, 6, 8, 12, 5, 20, 1

 

What does this prove? First of all it shows most of his runs were between 3-9. Kinda like every other RB in the history of Earth. Your greatly exaggerated example had 1 run between 3-9, out of 10. And for the record, AD's 224 yard game vs. the Bears. He had 20 carries, all but 2 were less than 3 or more than 10.

 

I'm pretty sure if we broke down Emmitt Smith we would find much of the same.