Re: The Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

[NCCubFan]

Favre's retirement changes everything. Angelo MUST take advantage of the opportunity to recapture the division.

 

Thats a bit of a knee jerk reaction if you ask me.

I agree, but as a Bears fan I'll happily take his retirement for any reason.

[UMFan83]

Favre's retirement changes everything. Angelo MUST take advantage of the opportunity to recapture the division.

 

Vikings.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Make no mistake, 2008 is a rebulding year.

Absolutely unacceptable. The Bears had been rebuilding for years and years (with the exception of the fluke 2001 season). They finally make it back to the playoffs for two years. Rebuilding AGAIN so quickly after only two playoff appearances is not an option.

You may find it unacceptable, but it is the truth. Currently the Bears need 2 more WR's, an OT, and OG, and and another RB. I won't even get into the QB situation. That is 5 key positions on offense, and the FA market is dwindling. Do you really expect Angelo to plug these holes via the draft? Espcecially considering his track record regarding offensive players?

[NCCubFan]

Griese back to Tampa Bay is now official. Undisclosed draft pick in return.

[jersey cubs fan]

Make no mistake, 2008 is a rebulding year.

Absolutely unacceptable. The Bears had been rebuilding for years and years (with the exception of the fluke 2001 season). They finally make it back to the playoffs for two years. Rebuilding AGAIN so quickly after only two playoff appearances is not an option.

You may find it unacceptable, but it is the truth. Currently the Bears need 2 more WR's, an OT, and OG, and and another RB. I won't even get into the QB situation. That is 5 key positions on offense, and the FA market is dwindling. Do you really expect Angelo to plug these holes via the draft? Espcecially considering his track record regarding offensive players?

 

NFL teams are constantly rebuilding, unless they have a QB who can provide them steady pro bowl caliber play, year-in and year-out. I don't see how it's unacceptable for this team to be rebuilding. And I don't see why it should take more than 1 season to be back into the playoffs.

[RedFlash]

Make no mistake, 2008 is a rebulding year.

Absolutely unacceptable. The Bears had been rebuilding for years and years (with the exception of the fluke 2001 season). They finally make it back to the playoffs for two years. Rebuilding AGAIN so quickly after only two playoff appearances is not an option.

You may find it unacceptable, but it is the truth. Currently the Bears need 2 more WR's, an OT, and OG, and and another RB. I won't even get into the QB situation. That is 5 key positions on offense, and the FA market is dwindling. Do you really expect Angelo to plug these holes via the draft? Espcecially considering his track record regarding offensive players?

 

I don't necessarily believe it's "rebuilding" in the traditional sense, cause if it was, then the Bears would not have re-signed guys like Briggs/Vasher/Tillman, etc. So again, it's not a "traditional" rebuilding, but more of a transistional rebuilding, meaning they are doing it on the run. But it's MANDATORY that Angelo hits a 500 ft homerun of an NFL Draft this yr. He can't take players who can help in a yr or two (Dvorcek, Bazuin, etc, etc) he needs to take players who can, and should contribute in the rookie yrs.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I would find it unnacceptable if this team is NOT rebuilding to be honest. I have a feeling that they will try to plug alot of the wholes via the draft. This usually leads to alot of reaches. If Mendenhall is on the board @ 14 they would be foolish to pass on him.

[TruffleShuffle]

the packers are vastly superior to the bears, and are a young team with a lot of talent that is likely to improve. unless rodgers is unspeakably atrocious - like ryan leaf bad - the bears are very unlikely to be as good as the packers next year, regardless of what moves they make in the next few months.

[RedFlash]

I would find it unnacceptable if this team is NOT rebuilding to be honest. I have a feeling that they will try to plug alot of the wholes via the draft. This usually leads to alot of reaches. If Mendenhall is on the board @ 14 they would be foolish to pass on him.

 

NO BIG TEN RBs IN THE FIRST RD, unless you want a guarantee bust.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I would find it unnacceptable if this team is NOT rebuilding to be honest. I have a feeling that they will try to plug alot of the wholes via the draft. This usually leads to alot of reaches. If Mendenhall is on the board @ 14 they would be foolish to pass on him.

 

NO BIG TEN RBs IN THE FIRST RD, unless you want a guarantee bust.

Who can argue with this logic?

[RedFlash]

I would find it unnacceptable if this team is NOT rebuilding to be honest. I have a feeling that they will try to plug alot of the wholes via the draft. This usually leads to alot of reaches. If Mendenhall is on the board @ 14 they would be foolish to pass on him.

 

NO BIG TEN RBs IN THE FIRST RD, unless you want a guarantee bust.

Who can argue with this logic?

 

Curtis Enis, Ron Dayne, KiJana Carter....should I continue?

[Soul]

Make no mistake, 2008 is a rebulding year.

Absolutely unacceptable. The Bears had been rebuilding for years and years (with the exception of the fluke 2001 season). They finally make it back to the playoffs for two years. Rebuilding AGAIN so quickly after only two playoff appearances is not an option.

You may find it unacceptable, but it is the truth. Currently the Bears need 2 more WR's, an OT, and OG, and and another RB. I won't even get into the QB situation. That is 5 key positions on offense, and the FA market is dwindling. Do you really expect Angelo to plug these holes via the draft? Espcecially considering his track record regarding offensive players?

 

NFL teams are constantly rebuilding, unless they have a QB who can provide them steady pro bowl caliber play, year-in and year-out. I don't see how it's unacceptable for this team to be rebuilding. And I don't see why it should take more than 1 season to be back into the playoffs.

 

Simple. Because they let the good period of FA fly by with no action, that's why. You aren't going to come close to plugging all these holes with rookies. Just will not happen. And you won't grab solid FA's, because frankly there are none left.

 

TC deals and the 6/1 releases usually yield slim pickings. Where are the opportunities going to come from to rebuild an entire offense in 5 months?

Edited March 4, 2008 by Soul

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Marion Barber III, Lawrence Maroney, Larry Johnson...should I continue?

[CuseCubFan69]

Marion Barber III, Lawrence Maroney, Larry Johnson...should I continue?

 

I thought Maroney was deported to Sweden?

[jersey cubs fan]

the packers are vastly superior to the bears, and are a young team with a lot of talent that is likely to improve. unless rodgers is unspeakably atrocious - like ryan leaf bad - the bears are very unlikely to be as good as the packers next year, regardless of what moves they make in the next few months.

 

 

This is a very stupid post displaying an extreme lack of knowledge regarding NFL.

[TruffleShuffle]

the packers are vastly superior to the bears, and are a young team with a lot of talent that is likely to improve. unless rodgers is unspeakably atrocious - like ryan leaf bad - the bears are very unlikely to be as good as the packers next year, regardless of what moves they make in the next few months.

 

 

This is a very stupid post displaying an extreme lack of knowledge regarding NFL.

 

this is a very stupid post. i know teams in the nfl can flop places quickly. but most of the meaningful free agents are already signed, and it was a thin free agent crop to begin with. given what the bears have done, or more accurately haven't done, how can you say that the bears are going to make up the gap on the packers in the next six months? please, enlighten us with another stupid post.

[Derwood]

Marion Barber III, Lawrence Maroney, Larry Johnson...should I continue?

 

as an exercise in boredom, the good/bad first round Big 10 running backs since 1990:

 

1990: Blair Thomas (bad), Darrell Thompson (bad)

1991: Jarrod Bunch (bad)

1992: Vaughn Dunbar (bad)

1993: Robert Smith (good)

1994: none

1995: Ki-Jana Carter (bad), Tyrone Wheatley (average)

1996: Tim Biakabatuka (bad), Eddie George (good)

1997: none

1998: Curtis Enis (bad)

1999: none

2000: Ron Dayne (average)

2001: Michael Bennett (bad)

2002: T.J. Duckett (average)

2003: Larry Johnson (good)

2004: Chris Perry (bad)

2005: none

2006: Laurence Maroney (good)

2007: none

 

recap: 4 good, 3 average, 9 bad

[RedFlash]

Marion Barber III, Lawrence Maroney, Larry Johnson...should I continue?

 

If we went RB in the first rd, I'd prefer Jonathon Stweart or Felix Jones. But if went Big Ten RB, I much rather WAIT till the 2nd rd. I am NOT convince that Meddenhall is 1st rd material. This is a guy who went from 845 yrds and 5 TDs combine between his Frosh/Sopho yrs, to 1681 yrds and 17 tds. So, colour me unconvinced about Meddenhall. Give me Felix Jones. In his frosh yr he had 626 yrds with 3 TDs. Soph/Junior yrs, he combine for 2330 yrds and 17 TDs. All the while in a PLATOON situation with Darren McFadden. So, IMO, Jones in a better back then Meddenhall. So, why rush for a RB with only one great yr of college, when you can get a better RB, like Stewart or Jones.

[UMFan83]

the bears are vastly superior to the packers, and are a mostly young team with a lot of talent that is likely to improve. unless grossman is unspeakably atrocious - like ryan leaf bad - the packers are very unlikely to be as good as the bears next year, regardless of what moves they make in the next few months.

 

Fixed as something I would have said after 2005 or 2006 even.

 

Young talent: Lance Briggs, Nathan Vasher, Cedric Benson, Rex Grossman, Daniel Manning, Devin Hester, Tommie Harris, Dusty Dvorchek, Bernard Berrian, Mark Bradley

 

It's ridiculous to assume Rodgers would take over with no growning pains.

[TruffleShuffle]

the bears are vastly superior to the packers, and are a mostly young team with a lot of talent that is likely to improve. unless grossman is unspeakably atrocious - like ryan leaf bad - the packers are very unlikely to be as good as the bears next year, regardless of what moves they make in the next few months.

 

Fixed as something I would have said after 2005 or 2006 even.

 

Young talent: Lance Briggs, Nathan Vasher, Cedric Benson, Rex Grossman, Daniel Manning, Devin Hester, Tommie Harris, Dusty Dvorchek, Bernard Berrian, Mark Bradley

 

It's ridiculous to assume Rodgers would take over with no growning pains.

 

yes, those guys were talented and mostly young, though some aren't great examples (briggs was approaching free agency). plus the packers have a lot of guys who are young and have proven to be very good - jennings, hawk, pickett, grant, and more. benson, grossman, manning and bradley haven't even proven that they'll be above average at their positions.

 

and while i'm not assuming no growing pains, i'm looking at the two teams and seeing that the packers haven't lost much off last year's team, while the bears have not improved on paper at all, and have lost their best player at a position where they are already poor in talent. the packers will be better than the bears in 2008 unless rodgers is truly horrible, or the packers are completely decimated by injuries.

[CuseCubFan69]

the packers are vastly superior to the bears, and are a young team with a lot of talent that is likely to improve. unless rodgers is unspeakably atrocious - like ryan leaf bad - the bears are very unlikely to be as good as the packers next year, regardless of what moves they make in the next few months.

 

 

This is a very stupid post displaying an extreme lack of knowledge regarding NFL.

 

this is a very stupid post. i know teams in the nfl can flop places quickly. but most of the meaningful free agents are already signed, and it was a thin free agent crop to begin with. given what the bears have done, or more accurately haven't done, how can you say that the bears are going to make up the gap on the packers in the next six months? please, enlighten us with another stupid post.

 

Let's please just make your posts without each of you calling the others stupid. Thank you.

[UMFan83]

I think Packers fans have been blessed with some great long term QBs and don't realize how hard it is to find a good QB in the NFL. Rude awakening next year.

[Guest]

I would find it unnacceptable if this team is NOT rebuilding to be honest. I have a feeling that they will try to plug alot of the wholes via the draft. This usually leads to alot of reaches. If Mendenhall is on the board @ 14 they would be foolish to pass on him.

 

NO BIG TEN RBs IN THE FIRST RD, unless you want a guarantee bust.

Who can argue with this logic?

 

Curtis Enis, Ron Dayne, KiJana Carter....should I continue?

 

This is as bad as soul not wanting to draft Woodson because Couch was a bust and he's from Kentucky.

 

Past performance by a certain set of players does not determine future performance by a different set of players.

 

And besides, what you're saying isn't even true (Larry Johnson, Laurence Maroney, Eddie George...should I continue?).

[mul21]

Marion Barber III, Lawrence Maroney, Larry Johnson...should I continue?

 

If we went RB in the first rd, I'd prefer Jonathon Stweart or Felix Jones. But if went Big Ten RB, I much rather WAIT till the 2nd rd. I am NOT convince that Meddenhall is 1st rd material. This is a guy who went from 845 yrds and 5 TDs combine between his Frosh/Sopho yrs, to 1681 yrds and 17 tds. So, colour me unconvinced about Meddenhall. Give me Felix Jones. In his frosh yr he had 626 yrds with 3 TDs. Soph/Junior yrs, he combine for 2330 yrds and 17 TDs. All the while in a PLATOON situation with Darren McFadden. So, IMO, Jones in a better back then Meddenhall. So, why rush for a RB with only one great yr of college, when you can get a better RB, like Stewart or Jones.

 

Mendenhall's great improvement had more to do with the fact that there was abslutely zero in terms of other skill people or lineman to block for him on that Illinois team his 1st 2 years. Those young guys that Zook recruited and were playing when they should have been red shirted or riding the bench because they weren't strong enough got bigger and stronger and better last year and that had more to do with Illinois and Mendenhallbeing successful than anything (also the maturation of Juice).

[Guest]

Make no mistake, 2008 is a rebulding year.

Absolutely unacceptable. The Bears had been rebuilding for years and years (with the exception of the fluke 2001 season). They finally make it back to the playoffs for two years. Rebuilding AGAIN so quickly after only two playoff appearances is not an option.

You may find it unacceptable, but it is the truth. Currently the Bears need 2 more WR's, an OT, and OG, and and another RB. I won't even get into the QB situation. That is 5 key positions on offense, and the FA market is dwindling. Do you really expect Angelo to plug these holes via the draft? Espcecially considering his track record regarding offensive players?

 

NFL teams are constantly rebuilding, unless they have a QB who can provide them steady pro bowl caliber play, year-in and year-out. I don't see how it's unacceptable for this team to be rebuilding. And I don't see why it should take more than 1 season to be back into the playoffs.

 

Simple. Because they let the good period of FA fly by with no action, that's why. You aren't going to come close to plugging all these holes with rookies. Just will not happen. And you won't grab solid FA's, because frankly there are none left.

 

TC deals and the 6/1 releases usually yield slim pickings. Where are the opportunities going to come from to rebuild an entire offense in 5 months?

 

Ehh, you don't just rely on rookies to step up but young second and third year guys to make a leap forward and contribute big time. This really helped the Bears in the 2005 season. Guys who could really help out like that are guys like Dvoracek, Bazuin and any of those DBs.