Dayn Perry: Jason Kendall is the worst catcher in baseball

[CubColtPacer]

Tell me those aren't batting averages. I think you forgot to post that under your Wrigley23 psuedonymn.

 

I'm pretty sure those are EqA's.

[DenverCubs]

Tell me those aren't batting averages. I think you forgot to post that under your Wrigley23 psuedonymn.

 

I would assume EqA.

I feel better now. I was lost when I thought Meph based an argument on BA's.

Should have known better.

[Mephistopheles]

What are those numbers? I'm suprised to see Fukudome ranked that high.

 

Also, Francoeur posted a 103 OPS+ last year. That's average, but not horrible. A guy like Teahen was below him, yet you have him ranked above. There's a whole host of guys on that list who posted a simlar 100-ish OPS+, some of whom didn't even put in full seasons.

 

I don't think Francoeur's great or anything. Don't get me wrong. I'll take Kosuke, thank you very much.

 

League average EqA = .260 (it's built so this ALWAYS happens). League average OPS+ is 100...so a .271 EqA probably translates to arounda a 104 OPS+.

[JesseG.]

Yes, Mark Teahen is the worst RF in baseball. He's one year removed from a .300 EqA and is just 26. He's much better than a lot of slop some teams will throw out there: St Louis and Pittsburgh come to mind immediately - among others. Good job Dayn Perry at being dumb.

 

Correct answers:

 

C - Jason Kendall, Milwaukee (HM to Brad Ausmus when he plays)

1B - Ben Broussard/Chris Shelton/slop, Texas Rangers

2B - Kazuo Matsui, Houston (HM to Grudzielanek and Jose Lopez)

SS - Cesar Izturis, St Louis (HM to Tony Pena/Angel Berroa)

3B - Pedro Feliz, Philadelphia (HM to Dallas McPherson)

LF - Juan Pierre, Los Angeles Dodgers (HM to Eric Byrnes, Jacque Jones and Jason Michaels)

CF - Mark Kotsay, Atlanta (HM to Josh Anderson and Skip Schumaker if he plays over Rasmus)

RF - Shane Victorino, Philadelphia (HM to Jeff Francoeur)

 

If you think Jeff Francoeur is one of the worst RF in baseball....remind me to never take anything you say serious again.

 

Let's look at the projected starters in RF across the majors:

 

.305 Magglio Ordonez

.303 Kosuke Fukudome

.301 Vladimir Guerrero

.298 Bobby Abreu

.296 Milton Bradley

.296 Jeremy Hermida

.295 Corey Hart

.290 Travis Buck

.287 Nick Markakis

.287 Matt Kemp

.284 Hunter Pence

.284 Michael Cuddyer

.284 Alex Rios

.283 Ryan Church

.282 JD Drew

.282 Jermaine Dye

.282 Brad Hawpe

.280 Austin Kearns

.277 Brian Giles

.277 Rocco Baldelli

.276 Ken Griffey

.276 Franklin Gutierrez

.275 Mark Teahen

.272 Xavier Nady

.271 Brad Wilkerson

.271 Geoff Jenkins

.271 Jeff Francoeur

.270 Randy Winn

.267 Rick Ankiel

.267 Justin Upton

 

I like Winn and Upton's defense over his and I thought about listing Rick Ankiel though.

 

And now regarding Eric Byrnes:

.307 Ryan Braun

.306 Adam Dunn

.303 Pat Burrell

.302 Manny Ramirez

.295 Moises Alou

.295 Matt Holliday

.289 Jason Bay

.289 Carl Crawford

.289 Josh Willingham

.288 Carlos Lee

.286 Alfonso Soriano

.285 Raul Ibanez

.283 Chris Duncan

.283 Johnny Damon

.282 Wily Mo Pena

.282 Delmon Young

.280 Scott Hairston

.280 Luke Scott

.279 Carlos Quentin

.276 David Dellucci

.273 Jose Guillen

.272 Matt Diaz

.269 Marlon Byrd

.268 Garret Anderson

.267 Eric Byrnes

.264 Dave Roberts

.260 Emil Brown

.253 Reed Johnson

.253 Jacque Jones

.247 Juan Pierre

 

 

Below Byrnes are Roberts and Pierre as the only guys with fulltime gigs. Although Roberts will probably be out eventually. Jones, Brown and Johnson are platoon guys.

 

 

So yeah, Byrnes and Francoeur are near the bottom of their respective positions. Francoeur is a bit of an enigma. He burst on the scene for two months, and has hit like crap since that September getting progressively worse. Still he has quality tools but like many toolsy guys before him he's hackprone

 

Again.. If you base your argument on PROJECTED numbers like EqA... Remind me to never take anything you say serious. Your numbers also say Fukudome is better then Vlad...riiiight. Sometimes you have to actually have to watch the game instead of just looking at numbers.

 

.293/19/105. Granted he does not have a great OBP... but to say he has hit like crap since September is stupid and wrong. And add in he has a rocket arm and a gold glove...

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Awesome, the watch the games argument again. I always love it when people assume that others don't watch the games.

[Soul]

What are those numbers? I'm suprised to see Fukudome ranked that high.

 

Also, Francoeur posted a 103 OPS+ last year. That's average, but not horrible. A guy like Teahen was below him, yet you have him ranked above. There's a whole host of guys on that list who posted a simlar 100-ish OPS+, some of whom didn't even put in full seasons.

 

I don't think Francoeur's great or anything. Don't get me wrong. I'll take Kosuke, thank you very much.

 

League average EqA = .260 (it's built so this ALWAYS happens). League average OPS+ is 100...so a .271 EqA probably translates to arounda a 104 OPS+.

 

I really need to read up on more stats. But I really don't like spending much time studying them. I'm too right-brain for it.

 

Thanks for the explanation.

[Balsa]

Awesome, the watch the games argument again. I always love it when people assume that others don't watch the games.

Beat me to it. Always gotta tip your hat to that brilliant argument.

 

:hello:

[Mephistopheles]

Again.. (2) If you base your argument on PROJECTED numbers like EqA... Remind me to never take anything you say serious. Your numbers also say Fukudome is better then Vlad...riiiight. (3) Sometimes you have to actually have to watch the game instead of just looking at numbers.

 

(4) .293/19/105. Granted he does not have a great OBP...(5) but to say he has hit like crap since September is stupid and wrong . (6) And add in he has a rocket arm and a gold glove...

 

1. Are you kidding me?

2. Basing it on projected numbers is a lot better than basing it on past numbers. Why? Because the projected numbers are more accurate than past numbers, kid.

3. I've watched (and played) the game more than you ever will. Just because I can understand numbers it does not mean I can't and don't play/watch the game.

4. I don't care about batting average nor runs batted in (nor HRs for that matter). Since you're being ignorant I'll let you in on the secret. That .270+ predicted EqA is an increase over his EqA in 2007 (.267). So if you don't know what we're talking about, don't make comments please.

5. Read what I said regarding his September. "He burst on the scene for two months, and has hit like crap since that September getting progressively worse." that september which would be September 2005 to now. He's hit .273/.312/.444 since then. That's about as bad is it gets for a starting right fielder.

6. Derek Jeter has a Gold Glove, Ron Santo would have as much range as Jeter at short right now.

Edited February 7, 2008 by Mephistopheles

[JesseG.]

Again.. (2) If you base your argument on PROJECTED numbers like EqA... Remind me to never take anything you say serious. Your numbers also say Fukudome is better then Vlad...riiiight. (3) Sometimes you have to actually have to watch the game instead of just looking at numbers.

 

(4) .293/19/105. Granted he does not have a great OBP...(5) but to say he has hit like crap since September is stupid and wrong . (6) And add in he has a rocket arm and a gold glove...

 

1. Are you kidding me?

2. Basing it on projected numbers is a lot better than basing it on past numbers. Why? Because the projected numbers are more accurate than past numbers, kid.

3. I've watched (and played) the game more than you ever will. Just because I'm can understand numbers it does not mean I can't and don't play/watch the game.

4. I don't care about batting average nor runs batted in (nor HRs for that matter). Since you're being ignorant I'll let you in on the secret. That .270+ predicted EqA is an increase over his EqA in 2007 (.267). So if you don't know what we're talking about, don't make comments please.

5. Read what I said regarding his September. "He burst on the scene for two months, and has hit like crap since that September getting progressively worse." that september which would be September 2005 to now. He's hit .273/.312/.444 since then. That's about as bad is it gets for a starting right fielder.

6. Derek Jeter has a Gold Glove, Ron Santo would have as much range as Jeter at short right now.

 

 

1. Your a tool.

2. Don't ever call me kid again.. thanks..

3. And right... you have played more then I will ever know.. .your right.. im sorry i was wrong..WEE NUG man.

 

4. Again.. I don't take anything you say seriously so arguing won't do anything.. So im going to be a bigger man and just be quiet... But your a Cub fan so you know everything... Im sorry,

Edited February 7, 2008 by JesseG.

[Geech]

1. Your a tool.

 

You're a towel!

[imb]

i guess they don't have English classes in (wherever that guy is from.)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

4. Again.. I don't take anything you say seriously so arguing won't do anything.. So im going to be a bigger man and just be quite... But your a Cub fan so you know everything... Im sorry,

 

You're going to be quite what?

[XZero771679666304]

i guess they don't have English classes in (wherever that guy is from.)

 

Yeah, that post made my brain hurt.

[JesseG.]

 

4. Again.. I don't take anything you say seriously so arguing won't do anything.. So im going to be a bigger man and just be quite... But your a Cub fan so you know everything... Im sorry,

 

You're going to be quite what?

 

Anyone talking to you?

[Geech]

Quite butt, obviously. Quit making fun of the lad's spelling.

 

So im going to be a bigger man and just be quite... But

[Post Count Padder]

Meph and newbie fight!

[Burtonbell]

I just wanted to be part of this historic thread...before it gets locked.

 

JesseG. relax, its just numbers.

[Mephistopheles]

Again.. (2) If you base your argument on PROJECTED numbers like EqA... Remind me to never take anything you say serious. Your numbers also say Fukudome is better then Vlad...riiiight. (3) Sometimes you have to actually have to watch the game instead of just looking at numbers.

 

(4) .293/19/105. Granted he does not have a great OBP...(5) but to say he has hit like crap since September is stupid and wrong . (6) And add in he has a rocket arm and a gold glove...

 

1. Are you kidding me?

2. Basing it on projected numbers is a lot better than basing it on past numbers. Why? Because the projected numbers are more accurate than past numbers, kid.

3. I've watched (and played) the game more than you ever will. Just because I'm can understand numbers it does not mean I can't and don't play/watch the game.

4. I don't care about batting average nor runs batted in (nor HRs for that matter). Since you're being ignorant I'll let you in on the secret. That .270+ predicted EqA is an increase over his EqA in 2007 (.267). So if you don't know what we're talking about, don't make comments please.

5. Read what I said regarding his September. "He burst on the scene for two months, and has hit like crap since that September getting progressively worse." that september which would be September 2005 to now. He's hit .273/.312/.444 since then. That's about as bad is it gets for a starting right fielder.

6. Derek Jeter has a Gold Glove, Ron Santo would have as much range as Jeter at short right now.

 

 

1. Your a tool.

2. Don't ever call me kid again.. thanks..

3. And right... you have played more then I will ever know.. .your right.. im sorry i was wrong..WEE NUG man.

 

4. Again.. I don't take anything you say seriously so arguing won't do anything.. So im going to be a bigger man and just be quiet... But your a Cub fan so you know everything... Im sorry,

 

You're...three times...

Edited February 7, 2008 by Mephistopheles

[Mephistopheles]

btw you're not being the bigger man. that's just a cop out for you getting destroyed. i know it, you know it and everyone that reads it knows it.

[Burtonbell]

Hey Meph, when did you get into the "beyond the regular stats" stats? Did you just wake up one day and go, BBB sucks, I like YYY better. Kindergarten? In the Nursery? Edited February 7, 2008 by Burtonbell

[inari]

 

4. Again.. I don't take anything you say seriously so arguing won't do anything.. So im going to be a bigger man and just be quite... But your a Cub fan so you know everything... Im sorry,

 

You're going to be quite what?

 

Anyone talking to you?

 

Feisty.

[JesseG.]

btw you're not being the bigger man. that's just a cop out for you getting destroyed. i know it, you know it and everyone that reads it knows it.

 

 

Yeah Im getting destroyed... You're acting like a 8 year old.. and I say something and you say NA UH!! "I got numbers, im right". And Im just saying Ok its your opinion but I disagree with it.. Along with 29 other baseball franchises that would take him in a heart beat.

[Geech]

Yeah Im getting destroyed... You're acting like a 8 year old.. and I say something and you say NA UH!! "I got numbers, im right". And Im just saying Ok its your opinion but I disagree with it.. Along with 29 other baseball franchises that would take him in a heart beat.

 

What happened to being quiet?

[UK1679666180]

A couple of points:

 

Fukudome won't match Guerrero's numbers.

 

Francouer's production doesn't match his ability cause he doesn't put himself in a position to win most of the battles, hard to beat pitchers when you're expanding your strike zone and falling behind.

 

What's a WEE NUG man?

[JesseG.]

Yeah Im getting destroyed... You're acting like a 8 year old.. and I say something and you say NA UH!! "I got numbers, im right". And Im just saying Ok its your opinion but I disagree with it.. Along with 29 other baseball franchises that would take him in a heart beat.

 

What happened to being quiet?

 

Who is talking to you?