Here's the 2 deals Hendry needs to make

[Backtobanks]

Deal #1: Pie & Gallagher for Roberts

 

Deal #2: Padres get: Mathews Jr./Rivera, from Angels (plus cash if GMJR)

and Murton from Cubs

Angels get: Kouzmanoff from Padres and ????? from Cubs

Cubs get: Figgins from Angels

 

I'm not sure who the Angels would want to complete the deal.

 

Padres get two productive OFs and Headley takes over at 3B.

Angels get young, productive, and cheap 3B and clear some OF glut.

Cubs get speedy CF to replace Pie.

 

Figgins CF

Roberts 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Soriano LF

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Theriot/Cedeno SS

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

[Rob]

Deal #1: Pie & Gallagher for Roberts

 

Deal #2: Padres get: Mathews Jr./Rivera, from Angels (plus cash if GMJR)

and Murton from Cubs

Angels get: Kouzmanoff from Padres and ????? from Cubs

Cubs get: Figgins from Angels

 

I'm not sure who the Angels would want to complete the deal.

 

Padres get two productive OFs and Headley takes over at 3B.

Angels get young, productive, and cheap 3B and clear some OF glut.

Cubs get speedy CF to replace Pie.

 

Figgins CF

Roberts 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Soriano LF

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Theriot/Cedeno SS

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

 

Don't trade off our assets for Figgins to play in CF. Just sign Lofton.

[UMFan83]

If Figgins is such an amazing utility guy, why can't he play SS?

[Tracer Bullet]

Deal #1: Pie & Gallagher for Roberts

 

Deal #2: Padres get: Mathews Jr./Rivera, from Angels (plus cash if GMJR)

and Murton from Cubs

Angels get: Kouzmanoff from Padres and ????? from Cubs

Cubs get: Figgins from Angels

 

I'm not sure who the Angels would want to complete the deal.

 

Padres get two productive OFs and Headley takes over at 3B.

Angels get young, productive, and cheap 3B and clear some OF glut.

Cubs get speedy CF to replace Pie.

 

Figgins CF

Roberts 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Soriano LF

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Theriot/Cedeno SS

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

 

Don't trade off our assets for Figgins to play in CF. Just sign Lofton.

 

Yeah - if we're trading Pie, I'd rather sign Lofton and trade Murton & something for Greene.

 

Roberts

Fukudome

Lee

ARam

Soriano

Greene

Lofton

Soto

 

Having Murton waste another of his prime years on our bench rather than using him or trading him (for something of value to us) is stupid, if you ask me.

[wrigley23]

what banks said. it adds much lacking OBP & speed to the lineup without giving up a ton of prospects. Troll for a top 3 SP after that.

[justlikethecubs]

I just don't get why we would trade our top position prospect and one of our top (if not the top) pitching prospect for Roberts. He is good, but he is not that much of an upgrade over DeRosa that we should give away two young, cheap prospects who could be very good for us. I don't mind getting Roberts, but I don't like Pie being involved at all and if we have to give them Gallagher then we shouldn't have to give them too much else. i may be overrating our players (I am sure I am) but I really don't believe we need Roberts enough to give up these players. (It's a Monday and I needed to rant)

[KingCubsFan]

what banks said. it adds much lacking OBP & speed to the lineup without giving up a ton of prospects. Troll for a top 3 SP after that.

Why do we need speed so much?

[Tracer Bullet]

what banks said. it adds much lacking OBP & speed to the lineup without giving up a ton of prospects. Troll for a top 3 SP after that.

Why do we need speed so much?

 

we don't

[DeuceBaseman]

Deal #1: Pie & Gallagher for Roberts

 

Deal #2: Padres get: Mathews Jr./Rivera, from Angels (plus cash if GMJR)

and Murton from Cubs

Angels get: Kouzmanoff from Padres and ????? from Cubs

Cubs get: Figgins from Angels

 

I'm not sure who the Angels would want to complete the deal.

 

Padres get two productive OFs and Headley takes over at 3B.

Angels get young, productive, and cheap 3B and clear some OF glut.

Cubs get speedy CF to replace Pie.

 

Figgins CF

Roberts 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Soriano LF

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Theriot/Cedeno SS

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

 

Don't trade off our assets for Figgins to play in CF. Just sign Lofton.

 

Murton isnt much of an asset!!! Lofton does not compare to Figgins. Figgins is a stud, Lofton is a good cheap CF, but dont compare him to Figgins. Trading Murton and other stuff from the Cubs (Cedeno, dempster, marquis, veal, patterson) is worth getting Figgins over Lofton! Lofton is old, he will decline soon. Figgins will be good for years. You're not giving up assets for Figgins. But i dont think the Angels will trade Figgins without getting studs from us.

[David]

 

Murton isnt much of an asset!!! Lofton does not compare to Figgins. Figgins is a stud, Lofton is a good cheap CF, but dont compare him to Figgins. Trading Murton and other stuff from the Cubs (Cedeno, dempster, marquis, veal, patterson) is worth getting Figgins over Lofton! Lofton is old, he will decline soon. Figgins will be good for years. You're not giving up assets for Figgins. But i dont think the Angels will trade Figgins without getting studs from us.

 

 

Last Three Years...

 

Player #1 .292/.357/.399 .756 OPS

 

Player #2 .308/.371/.412 .783 OPS

 

 

Tell me, which one of those is Kenny Lofton and which one is Chone Figgins, and what (other than age) makes Figgins a stud and Lofton not? (Neither one is a stud, FWIW)....

[fromthestretch]

Deal #1: Pie & Gallagher for Roberts

 

Deal #2: Padres get: Mathews Jr./Rivera, from Angels (plus cash if GMJR)

and Murton from Cubs

Angels get: Kouzmanoff from Padres and ????? from Cubs

Cubs get: Figgins from Angels

 

I'm not sure who the Angels would want to complete the deal.

 

Padres get two productive OFs and Headley takes over at 3B.

Angels get young, productive, and cheap 3B and clear some OF glut.

Cubs get speedy CF to replace Pie.

 

Figgins CF

Roberts 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Soriano LF

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Theriot/Cedeno SS

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

 

Don't trade off our assets for Figgins to play in CF. Just sign Lofton.

 

Murton isnt much of an asset!!! Lofton does not compare to Figgins. Figgins is a stud, Lofton is a good cheap CF, but dont compare him to Figgins. Trading Murton and other stuff from the Cubs (Cedeno, dempster, marquis, veal, patterson) is worth getting Figgins over Lofton! Lofton is old, he will decline soon. Figgins will be good for years. You're not giving up assets for Figgins. But i dont think the Angels will trade Figgins without getting studs from us.

 

Figgins is a stud? He's a lousy defensive infielder, so his versatility isn't worth all that much. He's also one year removed from a crappy season. His career OPS is around .750. Is that really worth giving up "stud" prospects when Lofton could possibly match his production in 2007 for a small fee?

[pitchcs]

Deal #1: Pie & Gallagher for Roberts

 

Deal #2: Padres get: Mathews Jr./Rivera, from Angels (plus cash if GMJR)

and Murton from Cubs

Angels get: Kouzmanoff from Padres and ????? from Cubs

Cubs get: Figgins from Angels

 

I'm not sure who the Angels would want to complete the deal.

 

Padres get two productive OFs and Headley takes over at 3B.

Angels get young, productive, and cheap 3B and clear some OF glut.

Cubs get speedy CF to replace Pie.

 

Figgins CF

Roberts 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Soriano LF

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Theriot/Cedeno SS

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

 

Don't trade off our assets for Figgins to play in CF. Just sign Lofton.

 

Murton isnt much of an asset!!! Lofton does not compare to Figgins. Figgins is a stud, Lofton is a good cheap CF, but dont compare him to Figgins. Trading Murton and other stuff from the Cubs (Cedeno, dempster, marquis, veal, patterson) is worth getting Figgins over Lofton! Lofton is old, he will decline soon. Figgins will be good for years. You're not giving up assets for Figgins. But i dont think the Angels will trade Figgins without getting studs from us.

 

Really? Because to me they seem extremely comparable. I think you need to take another look my man.

[mul21]

 

Murton isnt much of an asset!!! Lofton does not compare to Figgins. Figgins is a stud, Lofton is a good cheap CF, but dont compare him to Figgins. Trading Murton and other stuff from the Cubs (Cedeno, dempster, marquis, veal, patterson) is worth getting Figgins over Lofton! Lofton is old, he will decline soon. Figgins will be good for years. You're not giving up assets for Figgins. But i dont think the Angels will trade Figgins without getting studs from us.

 

 

Last Three Years...

 

Player #1 .292/.357/.399 .756 OPS

 

Player #2 .308/.371/.412 .783 OPS

 

 

Tell me, which one of those is Kenny Lofton and which one is Chone Figgins, and what (other than age) makes Figgins a stud and Lofton not? (Neither one is a stud, FWIW)....

 

I gotta go with #2 as Lofton based on the memory that Figgins had some weird really good outlier OBP last year.

 

My only concern would be Lofton's ability to hold up for the entire year due to age or if he was brought in to play with Pie still here that he's also a lefty.

[Rob]

 

Murton isnt much of an asset!!! Lofton does not compare to Figgins. Figgins is a stud, Lofton is a good cheap CF, but dont compare him to Figgins. Trading Murton and other stuff from the Cubs (Cedeno, dempster, marquis, veal, patterson) is worth getting Figgins over Lofton! Lofton is old, he will decline soon. Figgins will be good for years. You're not giving up assets for Figgins. But i dont think the Angels will trade Figgins without getting studs from us.

 

Lofton:

 

2005 - .335/.392/.420

2006 - .301/.360/.403

2007 - .296/.367/.414

 

Figgins:

 

2005 - .290/.352/.397

2006 - .267/.336/.376

2007 - .330/.393/.432

 

Lofton has been better than Figgins in almost every season except the last one, where Figgins managed to hit nearly 40 points higher than his career average based on a small sample size fluke due to missing a good chunk of the year. At age 29, Figgins isn't just hitting his stride, he's about to start his decline because his speed is gonna start to slip. Besides, he's still only under control for two years anyways.

 

And despite what you think of Murton, Cedeno, Veal, and the rest, we would be much better served to go after an upgrade where it's not really up for debate if he's better than a cheap one-year stopgap. Shouldn't we be using those people where it can make the biggest difference to our team? Getting a real shortstop would help this team more than getting what (if you are correct) would be a marginal upgrade over a freely available centerfield option... and it wouldn't stop us from acquiring that centerfield option. Getting Figgins would stop us from making a deal that could help a lot more.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I didn't realize Chone Figguns was a stud? Did I not get the memo?

[Tracer Bullet]

Deal #1: Pie & Gallagher for Roberts

 

Deal #2: Padres get: Mathews Jr./Rivera, from Angels (plus cash if GMJR)

and Murton from Cubs

Angels get: Kouzmanoff from Padres and ????? from Cubs

Cubs get: Figgins from Angels

 

I'm not sure who the Angels would want to complete the deal.

 

Padres get two productive OFs and Headley takes over at 3B.

Angels get young, productive, and cheap 3B and clear some OF glut.

Cubs get speedy CF to replace Pie.

 

Figgins CF

Roberts 2B

DLee 1B

ARam 3B

Soriano LF

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Theriot/Cedeno SS

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

 

Don't trade off our assets for Figgins to play in CF. Just sign Lofton.

 

Murton isnt much of an asset!!! Lofton does not compare to Figgins. Figgins is a stud, Lofton is a good cheap CF, but dont compare him to Figgins. Trading Murton and other stuff from the Cubs (Cedeno, dempster, marquis, veal, patterson) is worth getting Figgins over Lofton! Lofton is old, he will decline soon. Figgins will be good for years. You're not giving up assets for Figgins. But i dont think the Angels will trade Figgins without getting studs from us.

 

Since everyone else took the Figgins/Lofton angle, I'll take this one. Murton is an asset. He's young, cheap, and solid. Look at his numbers again. Pay special attention to the post-ASG numbers each of the last 2 years (.900+ OPS). He's not Babe Ruth, but he ain't Neifi Perez either.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pie and Gallagher for Roberts?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

you're all obviously not watching the games enough to know that those numbers aren't what they seem

[pitchcs]

Pie and Gallagher for Roberts?

 

 

Yeah, ridiculous.

[Rob]

you're all obviously not watching the games enough to know that those numbers aren't what they seem

 

I don't watch the games. I just wait for the spreadsheets to update.

 

I really hate stealing that quote from GRB, but I love it.

[inari]

you're all obviously not watching the games enough to know that those numbers aren't what they seem

 

Baseball isn't played by computers!

[DeuceBaseman]

Oh wow, now you guys are gonna gang up on me and say Lofton is better than Figgins. This is freaking ridiculous. I really hope all Cub fans arent as dumb as you guys. I said that I would NOTTTTTTTTT give up stud prospects for Figgins, which is what it would take to get him. But this thread started by saying giving up Murton + others for Figgins. If others included a package centered around Cedeno, Dempster, Marquis, Veal, Patterson I would do it in a second. Yes Lofton's #'s are comparable to Figgins over the last few years BUT there is a reason why he is not signed until the last second EVERY YEAR! I like Lofton but I would much rather have Figgins. Lofton is on the DECLINE. One of these years he's gonna be awful. And when you put up the comparing numbers you guys leave out the real good ones. Figgins is in his prime. Last year could be a sign of things to come, or it could not. Im gonna say it was NOT a fluke. Figgins just turned 30. Lofton will be 41 in a few months. .330 avg, .393 obp, 41 SB!! How are these not stud numbers???? Lofton did very well last year. .296 avg, .357 obp, 23 SB. But that doesnt compare to Figgins, sorry. And you can talk about the previous years, but it wont matter cuz one is on the decline and one is on the rise. So please tell me this. Say we end up trading Pie and Gallagher for Roberts. (which i dont think we will) Which would u rather have......

 

A) Trade Murton, Cedeno, Veal and Dempster for Figgins

or

B) Sign Lofton and keep those 4?

 

Please I hope to God you dont say B. Cuz that is ridiculous.

[cbbryan]

Pie and Gallagher for Roberts?

[UK1679666180]

If Figgins had the career numbers that would indicate he could consistently come close to what he did last year, I think there would be a valid case.

 

He's more likely to fall back to his previous years than what he did last year.

 

Given what it might take to get Figgins or sign Lofton, I'd rather see Kenny and would love to see how him Lou get along.

[nilodnayr]

Well if we want to go crazy...

 

Padres get: Wilson, Murton, Patterson

Cubs get: Greene and Hairston

Pirates get: Cedeno, Ceda

 

Twins get: Pie, Marmol, Veal

Cubs get: Santana

 

Rockies get: Marshall and Burke

Cubs get Baker/Smith and Stewart

 

Dodgers get: Lee, Gallagher, Colvin, Lieber(with his approval)

Cubs get: Loney, Kemp, Billingsley

 

Mets get: Marquis+$2M

Cubs get: Heilman

 

Rangers get: Dempster

Cubs get: Teagarden

 

Kemp

Fukudome

ARAM

Soriano

Loney

Greene

Soto

DeRosa

 

Santana

Z

Hill

Lilly

Billingsley

 

Wood

Howry

Heilman

Wuertz

Eyre

Ascaino

 

Ward

Baker/Smith

Stewart

Hairston

Blanco

Theriot

 

And believe it or not, we actually save money.