Here's the 2 deals Hendry needs to make

[nilodnayr]

SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)

 

LOVE THIS.

 

 

If you guys were smart you would read it more carefully where I put "since it shows what kind of player they are." HR's and SB's are comparable depending on the player. For instance Greene is a power hitter thus he hit around 28 HR's and had around 4 stolen bases. Theriot is a speedy guy meaning he hit around 4 HR's and has about 28 SB's. See how they are comparable. I'm not saying I would take 28 SB's over 28 HR's, but im saying thats the type of player they are. Greene has a good amount of HR's for the type of hitter he his, and Theriot has a good amount of SB's for the type of player he is. Why is it ok to say that HR's and SLG matter but OBP and SB's dont??? Who the ____ decides that that is more important in baseball? I completely disagree. I think OBP is just as important as stuff like SLG. I think batting average is just as important as stuff like HR's. It's ridiculous to say it is not!

 

The overwhelming majority of people on this board will agree that OBP is a very important statistic. Batting average is not. While I understand the point you are trying to make when comparing SB and HR, they just aren't comparable. A home run equals a run, whereas a stolen base does not, thus making home runs much more valuable than steals.

 

SLG > OBP (slightly) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BA>SB

 

Flip OBP and SLG.

 

The fact is there is basically little to no marginal difference in Greene vs Theriot's OBP. The difference in their slugging with Greene in Wrigley would be huge. In fact, I'd go out on a limb and say that Green's IsoP as a cub would be 2.5 times Theriot's.

 

I could have sworn that I've read that SLG is marginally (theres that word again) more important than OBP in statistical analysis. I thought that was a critique against using OPS as a comparative tool.

 

Nope, you got it flipped. And its more than marginal.

1.8*OBP+ SLG is the multiplier that I've most commonly seen.

[David]

Alright this is getting no where. My opinion is very very different than a lot of yours and I think its crazy what some of you are saying, but we're just gonna continue to argue and argue. I'm done, so you guys can just talk to eachother and jerk off over khalil greene's amazing .291 OBP. So lets just end this discussion.

 

 

Yea, that's what we're doing.

 

I'm getting the feeling that Deuce is 13 or 14. I remember responding pretty much the same way on like AOL message boards at around that age when all of the conventional wisdom baseball crap I thought I knew was brought into question. We should probably go easier on him... :?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Actually, I'm going to spank off thinking about the 850+ OPS Greeen could put up in a Cubs uniform....don't judge me. :P

[UMFan83]

SB- 4 vs. 28 (comparable to the HR's since it shows what kind of player they are)

 

LOVE THIS.

 

 

If you guys were smart you would read it more carefully where I put "since it shows what kind of player they are." HR's and SB's are comparable depending on the player. For instance Greene is a power hitter thus he hit around 28 HR's and had around 4 stolen bases. Theriot is a speedy guy meaning he hit around 4 HR's and has about 28 SB's. See how they are comparable. I'm not saying I would take 28 SB's over 28 HR's, but im saying thats the type of player they are. Greene has a good amount of HR's for the type of hitter he his, and Theriot has a good amount of SB's for the type of player he is. Why is it ok to say that HR's and SLG matter but OBP and SB's dont??? Who the ____ decides that that is more important in baseball? I completely disagree. I think OBP is just as important as stuff like SLG. I think batting average is just as important as stuff like HR's. It's ridiculous to say it is not!

 

The overwhelming majority of people on this board will agree that OBP is a very important statistic. Batting average is not. While I understand the point you are trying to make when comparing SB and HR, they just aren't comparable. A home run equals a run, whereas a stolen base does not, thus making home runs much more valuable than steals.

 

SLG > OBP (slightly) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BA>SB

 

Flip OBP and SLG.

 

The fact is there is basically little to no marginal difference in Greene vs Theriot's OBP. The difference in their slugging with Greene in Wrigley would be huge. In fact, I'd go out on a limb and say that Green's IsoP as a cub would be 2.5 times Theriot's.

 

I could have sworn that I've read that SLG is marginally (theres that word again) more important than OBP in statistical analysis. I thought that was a critique against using OPS as a comparative tool.

 

Nope, you got it flipped. And its more than marginal.

 

Whoops, must have killed those brain cells with too much alcohol this weekend ;)

[inari]

Alright this is getting no where. My opinion is very very different than a lot of yours and I think its crazy what some of you are saying, but we're just gonna continue to argue and argue. I'm done, so you guys can just talk to eachother and jerk off over khalil greene's amazing .291 OBP. So lets just end this discussion.

 

The maturity is outstanding.

[UMFan83]

Alright this is getting no where. My opinion is very very different than a lot of yours and I think its crazy what some of you are saying, but we're just gonna continue to argue and argue. I'm done, so you guys can just talk to eachother and jerk off over khalil greene's amazing .291 OBP. So lets just end this discussion.

 

Oh man, you're leaving? We didn't even get to use VORP and EqA yet

[Post Count Padder]

This is why I don't miss cubs.com

[Rob]

Alright this is getting no where. My opinion is very very different than a lot of yours and I think its crazy what some of you are saying, but we're just gonna continue to argue and argue. I'm done, so you guys can just talk to eachother and jerk off over khalil greene's amazing .291 OBP. So lets just end this discussion.

 

We should totally make out sometime.

[wekse]

Alright this is getting no where. My opinion is very very different than a lot of yours and I think its crazy what some of you are saying, but we're just gonna continue to argue and argue. I'm done, so you guys can just talk to eachother and jerk off over khalil greene's amazing .291 OBP. So lets just end this discussion.

 

 

Yea, that's what we're doing.

 

I'm getting the feeling that Deuce is 13 or 14. I remember responding pretty much the same way on like AOL message boards at around that age when all of the conventional wisdom baseball crap I thought I knew was brought into question. We should probably go easier on him... :?

 

think again...a quote of his from the cubs.com board

 

I've played baseball all the way through college and now I coach baseball in high school. I know a thing or two about baseball. And im tired of this c*rap about HR's and SLG being so much more important than BA and OBP

[mul21]

I've played baseball all the way through college and now I coach baseball in high school. I know a thing or two about baseball. And im tired of this c*rap about HR's and SLG being so much more important than BA and OBP

 

From DB on the Cubs.com board. Hilarious.

[anabiono]

Alright this is getting no where. My opinion is very very different than a lot of yours and I think its crazy what some of you are saying, but we're just gonna continue to argue and argue. I'm done, so you guys can just talk to eachother and jerk off over khalil greene's amazing .291 OBP. So lets just end this discussion.

 

 

Yea, that's what we're doing.

 

I'm getting the feeling that Deuce is 13 or 14. I remember responding pretty much the same way on like AOL message boards at around that age when all of the conventional wisdom baseball crap I thought I knew was brought into question. We should probably go easier on him... :?

 

think again...a quote of his from the cubs.com board

 

I've played baseball all the way through college and now I coach baseball in high school. I know a thing or two about baseball. And im tired of this c*rap about HR's and SLG being so much more important than BA and OBP

 

Pwnd!!!

[Post Count Padder]

I've played baseball all the way through college and now I coach baseball in high school. I know a thing or two about baseball. And im tired of this c*rap about HR's and SLG being so much more important than BA and OBP

 

From DB on the Cubs.com board. Hilarious.

I like how he tries to censor "crap" but still fails to do so.

[UMFan83]

I wonder if he coached baseball799456947

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I'm a division manager, I can do 100 pushups in 20 mintues...I DRIVE, I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!

[cubbyvirus00]

Alright this is getting no where. My opinion is very very different than a lot of yours and I think its crazy what some of you are saying, but we're just gonna continue to argue and argue. I'm done, so you guys can just talk to eachother and jerk off over khalil greene's amazing .291 OBP. So lets just end this discussion.

 

 

Yea, that's what we're doing.

 

I'm getting the feeling that Deuce is 13 or 14. I remember responding pretty much the same way on like AOL message boards at around that age when all of the conventional wisdom baseball crap I thought I knew was brought into question. We should probably go easier on him... :?

 

think again...a quote of his from the cubs.com board

 

I've played baseball all the way through college and now I coach baseball in high school. I know a thing or two about baseball. And im tired of this c*rap about HR's and SLG being so much more important than BA and OBP

 

 

I don't know whats more disturbing. That quote, or the fact that hes coaching kids.

[DenverCubs]

1.8*OBP+ SLG is the multiplier that I've most commonly seen.

So it's kind of assuming that 20% of the times you reach base are anything more than a single or walk?

[Burtonbell]

I wonder if he coached baseball799456947

 

 

Ouch.

[UK1679666180]

I'm thinking Bruno or Cuse. :wink:

[Banedon]

Take it easy guys. Jeez. It's been a full page since he posted and you're still going on him. Back off a little.

[Burtonbell]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070311/images/sp-greene280.jpg

 

Love that hair!

For those that need some help with the visualization...

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Take it easy guys. Jeez. He hasn't posted in like two pages and you're going on him. Back off a little.

But he already called me dumb and then mocked my "masturbation" habits? :?:

[Rob]

Take it easy guys. Jeez. It's been a full page since he posted and you're still going on him. Back off a little.

 

But that would ruin our fun.

[David]

It's funny... lately it seems like there's a new breed of clueless baseball fans that is a little different from before. They value OBP very highly (which is a good thing, at least), but everything else is the same. It's like they caught on to the OBP bandwagon because it's really starting to get out there (on all the TV graphics and stuff), but they still loathe strikeouts, don't know what OPS or SLG is, overvalue speed and basestealing, over-value defense, care too much about batting average, insert whatever other wrong old school ideas... etc.

 

It's sort of interesting, actually. I wonder how THAT sort of fan feels about, say, an Adam Dunn...

[DeuceBaseman]

Alright this is getting no where. My opinion is very very different than a lot of yours and I think its crazy what some of you are saying, but we're just gonna continue to argue and argue. I'm done, so you guys can just talk to eachother and jerk off over khalil greene's amazing .291 OBP. So lets just end this discussion.

 

 

Yea, that's what we're doing.

 

I'm getting the feeling that Deuce is 13 or 14. I remember responding pretty much the same way on like AOL message boards at around that age when all of the conventional wisdom baseball crap I thought I knew was brought into question. We should probably go easier on him... :?

 

think again...a quote of his from the cubs.com board

 

I've played baseball all the way through college and now I coach baseball in high school. I know a thing or two about baseball. And im tired of this c*rap about HR's and SLG being so much more important than BA and OBP

 

 

I don't know whats more disturbing. That quote, or the fact that hes coaching kids.

 

It's disturbing that I coach kids because I think Greene over Theriot is a smaller upgrade than Figgins over Lofton. I know a lot about baseball and you guys dont have to try and bash my personal life because of my opinion on major league baseball. I got recruited to coach because of my baseball knowledge. And I do drive a Dodge Stratus!

[Banedon]

Take it easy guys. Jeez. He hasn't posted in like two pages and you're going on him. Back off a little.

But he already called me dumb and then mocked my "masturbation" habits? :?:

 

You know what, I'd probably get defensive if I had an entire message board completely crapping on me too. He's new, and may not know the rules. You don't have that excuse.

 

Deuce, do me a favor and read the board guidelines if you wish to continue posting here. Thanks.