Juicy rumor from the hirejimessian.com Hendry blog

[nilodnayr]

How many BR thread's do we have out there now?

Enough so that you can say BR, and everyone knows what you're talking about.

 

At least the first thing that popped into my mind was "baseball-reference"...I've tried to keep away from the Brian Roberts thread.

[RammyFanny]

the part where the say hendry likes sean marshall kinda discredits the whole article.

 

but yeah, that whole thing sounds horrible.

Hendry was asked at the lunch-in about Marshall and replied "He's not going anywhere". That, combined with the reports that the players rumored in the Roberts trade was false, may give credit to that statement.

 

Then on the other side of the ledger you have Steve Trachsel.

Wasn't Marshall supposedly struggling from fatigue, or am I making things up?

 

And as far as the deal goes, i'm not saying it's great, but this might be Hendry's last year and I don't think there's going to be too many people arguing this lineup isn't better than what we currently have, in terms of next season:

 

Soriano

Roberts

Lee

Ramirez

Fukudome

Matthews Jr.

Soto

Theriot

 

or that many people arguing this pitching staff isn't better than what we currently have, in terms of next season:

 

Bedard

Zambrano

Lilly

Lieber/Gallagher

Marshall/Gallagher

 

Again, i'm not really for or against the trade, but i'm just saying I could see Hendry doing it since it likely means better results on the field next year, which means a better chance of him staying.

[Mephistopheles]

yay practically bedard for hill and pie. somehow that sounds like jim hendry being dumb again.

[RammyFanny]

yay practically bedard for hill and pie. somehow that sounds like jim hendry being dumb again.

Roberts was in there as well. Probably with a few other pieces, but probably down from the original price considering Hill and

Pie were in there.

[CubFanPhilly]

Any deal involving both Bedard and Hill is probably a a dumb move.

 

Hill's cheaper, younger, has less service time, and no injury history. It's about as dumb as giving up a lot for Roberts (more expensive and only marginally better than DeRosa).

[MPrior]

Any deal involving both Bedard and Hill is probably a a dumb move.

 

Hill's cheaper, younger, has less service time, and no injury history. It's about as dumb as giving up a lot for Roberts (more expensive and only marginally better than DeRosa).

 

Wait - how much better than DeRosa is he exactly?

[DenverCubs]

Any deal involving both Bedard and Hill is probably a a dumb move.

 

Hill's cheaper, younger, has less service time, and no injury history. It's about as dumb as giving up a lot for Roberts (more expensive and only marginally better than DeRosa).

 

Wait - how much better than DeRosa is he exactly?

 

About this much...

http://blogs.chron.com/whitehouse/archives/negroponteafp.jpg

[Beer Kaese]

What is SSM?

 

It's a blog/web site started by a few of the guys from Desipio.

 

Whats it stand for/what is the web address?

Probably something ironically hip.

 

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

 

Ironicy Hip = Pathetically Desperate.

 

Kind of like thinking of your hand as a girlfriend.

[CubFanPhilly]

Any deal involving both Bedard and Hill is probably a a dumb move.

 

Hill's cheaper, younger, has less service time, and no injury history. It's about as dumb as giving up a lot for Roberts (more expensive and only marginally better than DeRosa).

 

Wait - how much better than DeRosa is he exactly?

 

Not enough better to justify giving up 2-3 prospects and a few million more in salary.

[CubsWin]

the part where the say hendry likes sean marshall kinda discredits the whole article.

 

but yeah, that whole thing sounds horrible.

Hendry was asked at the lunch-in about Marshall and replied "He's not going anywhere". That, combined with the reports that the players rumored in the Roberts trade was false, may give credit to that statement.

 

Then on the other side of the ledger you have Steve Trachsel.

Wasn't Marshall supposedly struggling from fatigue, or am I making things up?

Nope, you are remembering correctly.

 

Apparently, due to Marshall's injury history, he hadn't built up much stamina when it comes to pitching over the course of a season, so he just sort of lost it towards the end of last year.

 

Anyone who thinks Hendry likes Traschel over Marshall or doesn't "like" Marshall because of that hurried acquisition late last season alone isn't basing their opinions in reality. Now there may be other reasons, but that trade is not one of them.

[BigbadB]

Anyone who thinks Hendry likes Traschel over Marshall or doesn't "like" Marshall because of that hurried acquisition late last season alone isn't basing their opinions in reality. Now there may be other reasons, but that trade is not one of them.

 

Agreed. But, I would imagine Hendry is not overly fond of the idea of having 3 lefties in the rotation, either. Unless of course all 3 lefties were lights out lefties.

[SouthSideRyan]

the part where the say hendry likes sean marshall kinda discredits the whole article.

 

but yeah, that whole thing sounds horrible.

Hendry was asked at the lunch-in about Marshall and replied "He's not going anywhere". That, combined with the reports that the players rumored in the Roberts trade was false, may give credit to that statement.

 

Then on the other side of the ledger you have Steve Trachsel.

Wasn't Marshall supposedly struggling from fatigue, or am I making things up?

Nope, you are remembering correctly.

 

Apparently, due to Marshall's injury history, he hadn't built up much stamina when it comes to pitching over the course of a season, so he just sort of lost it towards the end of last year.

 

Anyone who thinks Hendry likes Traschel over Marshall or doesn't "like" Marshall because of that hurried acquisition late last season alone isn't basing their opinions in reality. Now there may be other reasons, but that trade is not one of them.

 

If we're gonna pick out when Marshall started pitching poorly you'd have to say his 8/2 start was the beginning of it. At that point he had pitched ~100 innings on the season.

 

Marshall threw 150 innings the year before. If Marshall couldn't throw more than 100 innings last year without tiring what makes you think he can suddenly nearly double his workload. If he could handle more than 100 innings last year, then why was Trachsel's rotting corpse brought in?

[RammyFanny]

the part where the say hendry likes sean marshall kinda discredits the whole article.

 

but yeah, that whole thing sounds horrible.

Hendry was asked at the lunch-in about Marshall and replied "He's not going anywhere". That, combined with the reports that the players rumored in the Roberts trade was false, may give credit to that statement.

 

Then on the other side of the ledger you have Steve Trachsel.

Wasn't Marshall supposedly struggling from fatigue, or am I making things up?

Nope, you are remembering correctly.

 

Apparently, due to Marshall's injury history, he hadn't built up much stamina when it comes to pitching over the course of a season, so he just sort of lost it towards the end of last year.

 

Anyone who thinks Hendry likes Traschel over Marshall or doesn't "like" Marshall because of that hurried acquisition late last season alone isn't basing their opinions in reality. Now there may be other reasons, but that trade is not one of them.

 

If we're gonna pick out when Marshall started pitching poorly you'd have to say his 8/2 start was the beginning of it. At that point he had pitched ~100 innings on the season.

 

Marshall threw 150 innings the year before. If Marshall couldn't throw more than 100 innings last year without tiring what makes you think he can suddenly nearly double his workload. If he could handle more than 100 innings last year, then why was Trachsel's rotting corpse brought in?

I think it's pretty well documented that Trachsel had a couple of very good starts and some of our scouts recommended that he would be able to give us a few quality starts to close out the season. Didn't happen, but that was the reason.

[questionmarkgrace]

Didnt Bill James have Rich Hill leading the 2007 NL in era and k's?

 

At any rate, Id trade Rich Hill any day for that line up and that pitching staff. I cant understand the "dont trade Hill under any circumstances" argument. If it makes us better why not? We develop pitching pretty well. Trading it for position players, which we dont develop, is what we are supposed to do get better.

 

Besides Hill is a lot closer to being Al Lieter than he is Walter Johnson.

[WilcoFan]

What is SSM?

 

It's a blog/web site started by a few of the guys from Desipio.

 

Whats it stand for/what is the web address?

Probably something ironically hip.

 

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

 

Ironicy Hip = Pathetically Desperate.

 

Kind of like thinking of your hand as a girlfriend.

 

I actually think desipio is pretty hilarious.

[Illini Iceman]

What is SSM?

 

It's a blog/web site started by a few of the guys from Desipio.

 

Whats it stand for/what is the web address?

Probably something ironically hip.

 

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

 

Ironicy Hip = Pathetically Desperate.

 

Kind of like thinking of your hand as a girlfriend.

 

I actually think desipio is pretty hilarious.

 

There has been an on again off again feud for some reason. There are a group of people from NSBB that seem to harbor resentment toward Desipio and a group from Desipio that openly mock NSBB on a regular basis. However, I would have to think that a majority of the people that go to both sites are able to appreciate each for what they are. I personally like both.

[TruffleShuffle]

Didnt Bill James have Rich Hill leading the 2007 NL in era and k's?

 

At any rate, Id trade Rich Hill any day for that line up and that pitching staff. I cant understand the "dont trade Hill under any circumstances" argument. If it makes us better why not? We develop pitching pretty well. Trading it for position players, which we dont develop, is what we are supposed to do get better.

 

Besides Hill is a lot closer to being Al Lieter than he is Walter Johnson.

 

yeah, and al leiter was still a very good pitcher.

 

trading hill is dumb because he's not paid very much and has never been much of an injury risk. if he were getting paid the same amount as bedard, then it's not a bad move, but bedard is probably looking at somewhere in the range of $18M total over the next two years, whereas rich hill will be about 20% of that number.

 

add in roberts, and you're tacking on about $13M in salary each of the next two years. Are Bedard and Roberts worth more than Hill, Pie, DeRosa (who would be replaced by Roberts) and $13M? i sure don't think so.

[treebird]

NO NO NO NO

 

it would be really hard to get equal value for hill, and this trade would not be close to doing it.

[Sammy Sofa]

So supposedly Lou himself said at the convention that a deal for Roberts looks to be unlikely. Pass on Bedard and move on, please (unless by some miracle he can be had without giving up Pie and Hill...which seems ridiculous). If we're gonna trade, trade for a quality or at least non-suck SS.

[RammyFanny]

So supposedly Lou himself said at the convention that a deal for Roberts looks to be unlikely. Pass on Bedard and move on, please (unless by some miracle he can be had without giving up Pie and Hill...which seems ridiculous). If we're gonna trade, trade for a quality or at least non-suck SS.

He just said he expects the only move we make will be getting another OF. Hendry, on the other hand, said he wants to make 2 significant moves. It's hard to imagine Roberts not being one of those. As far as Lou:

 

1. Do we really expect him to know every single thing Hendry is doing?

2. Do we expect him to come out and say "I think we'll be getting another OF and a new starting second baseman"?

[RammyFanny]

According to a Cubs source, Orioles owner Peter Angelos killed a 7-for-2 trade this week that would have sent second baseman Brian Roberts, an Angelos favorite, and left-handed pitcher Erik Bedard to the Cubs.

 

Late Friday night, an Orioles source said there was no 7-for-2 deal and downplayed the level of talks between the teams.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/748982,CST-SPT-cub19.article

 

And I guess Lou's response was to a direct question about acquiring more IF'ers, so maybe things have been put to a rest.

[series65cubsfan]

sorry for going off on a tangent but, where is Raisin?

 

I was wrong, and I should have known better than to root for anyone who attended USC.

 

-Essian

[badnews]

Rich Hill is more like Al Leiter than Walter Johnson? What does that mean?

 

It looks like fun though. Let me try. Why does everyone want Erik Bedard? He's more like Donovan Osborne than Randy Johnson. And for that matter why does everyone want Brian Roberts? He's more like Ryan Freel than Rickey Henderson.

 

So trading for Ryan Freel and Donovan Osborne will bring the team the World Series. I think not!

 

Here's another left field comparison - trading for Bedard is like trading for Cliff Lee after 2005. Or Odalis Perez after 2002. Or Randy Wolf after 2002.

[jyoung55]

I want to start my own website where I make stuff up and see how many message boards it can filter down to... ultimately maybe even ESPN would pick it up if it hit enough and then I could be indirectly famous. That would be soooo cool man. :roll:

 

Hasn't Bruce ----someone who actually would know---- said before that Hendry keeps these sorts of things close to his chest and no one tends to know unless they are done? Why would this be any different? Why would this guy with a stupid nickname for lil sarge, have the skinny on a trade that Hendry just began discussing?

[badnews]

this guy with a stupid nickname for lil sarge

 

Amen to that. First time I read that, I thought, wow, that's a really sucky attempt to be clever.