Undeserving HOFers

[Outshined_One]

Simple question: Who do you think are the most undeserving Hall of Famers?

 

Bill Mazeroski and Luis Aparicio come to mind.

[inari]

Luis Aparacio is the answer I was going to give. He gets my nod, though I'm sure there's someone else out there.

[Garwilly]

While this particular quote is from Wikipedia, Bill James's sentiments are correct. Just look up their numbers. Yikes.

 

Beginning in 1970, the Veterans Committee elected members to the Hall of Fame, which sportswriter and baseball analyst Bill James describes as "simply appalling".[3] These selections included Jesse Haines, Dave Bancroft, Chick Hafey, Ross Youngs, George Kelly, Jim Bottomley and Travis Jackson, all of whom played for either the New York Giants or St. Louis Cardinals of the 1920s, when Committee chairman Frankie Frisch was their teammate. Bottomley and Bancroft are the only two who James concedes to be "marginal Hall of Famers".

[Clem Fandango]

Does this include HOF'ers selected by the veterans committe? If so, Phil Rizzuto is crap flavored crap

 

EDIT: Just looked at Aparicio stats. Gross

Edited January 12, 2008 by The Logan

[UK1679666180]

Ray Schalk

Rick Farrell

Frank Chance

George Kelly

Johnny Evers

Bill Mazeroski

Freddie Lindstrom

Travis Jackson

Lloyd Waner

Tommy McCarthy

Dizzy Dean

Jack Chesbro

Rube Marquard

[chuckywang]

Phil Rizzuto has to be at the top of the list.

[bhogg]

Gary Carter should get some votes here.

[OleMissCub]

Waite Hoyt

Dave Bancroft

George Kell

Herb Pennock

Ross Youngs

Earle Combs

Red Schoendist

Harry Hooper

 

& most of PingHitter's list (excluding Dizzy).

[TruffleShuffle]

rabbit maranville

joe tinker

lou brock

ross youngs

rube marquard

hack wilson

jesse haines

[OleMissCub]

lou brock

 

His win shares are pretty bad for someone who played 18 years.

 

Rickey Henderson has literally about 100 points higher WARP3.

 

*on a side note, just looking at WARP3 for the top 10 players in stolen bases, check out Vince Coleman:

 

Rickey Henderson: 187.7

Lou Brock: 88.2

Billy Hamilton: 110.3

Ty Cobb: 205.4

Tim Raines: 123.9

Vince Coleman: 36.4 YUCK

Eddie Collins: 181.7

Max Carey: 99.5

Arlie Latham: 62.7

Honus Wagner: 210.7

[Post Count Padder]

lou brock

 

His win shares are pretty bad for someone who played 18 years.

 

Rickey Henderson has literally about 100 points higher WARP3.

 

*on a side note, just looking at WARP3 for the top 10 players in stolen bases, check out Vince Coleman:

 

Rickey Henderson: 187.7

Lou Brock: 88.2

Billy Hamilton: 110.3

Ty Cobb: 205.4

Tim Raines: 123.9

Vince Coleman: 36.4 YUCK

Eddie Collins: 181.7

Max Carey: 99.5

Arlie Latham: 62.7

Honus Wagner: 210.7

:shock:

[Mephistopheles]

Gary Carter was pretty well deserving.

[UK1679666180]

Waite Hoyt

Dave Bancroft

George Kell

Herb Pennock

Ross Youngs

Earle Combs

Red Schoendist

Harry Hooper

 

& most of PingHitter's list (excluding Dizzy).

 

Dean had 2 real good years surrounded a couple of good ones. If he put up those numbers with the Browns, he would not be in the Hall.

[illiniguy]

lou brock

 

His win shares are pretty bad for someone who played 18 years.

 

Rickey Henderson has literally about 100 points higher WARP3.

 

*on a side note, just looking at WARP3 for the top 10 players in stolen bases, check out Vince Coleman:

 

Rickey Henderson: 187.7

Lou Brock: 88.2

Billy Hamilton: 110.3

Ty Cobb: 205.4

Tim Raines: 123.9

Vince Coleman: 36.4 YUCK

Eddie Collins: 181.7

Max Carey: 99.5

Arlie Latham: 62.7

Honus Wagner: 210.7

:shock:

Honus Wagner is a bad man.

[Rob]

Gary Carter was pretty well deserving.

 

Bah. If you believe the critics, nobody played good baseball in the 80's except for Rickey, Schmidt, Brett, Boggs, Yount, and Nolan Ryan. Everybody else would be in AAA if they tried to play now.

[BigbadB]

rabbit maranville

joe tinker

lou brock

ross youngs

rube marquard

hack wilson

jesse haines

 

Wonder why there wasn't an MVP in 1930. It was a two way race between Wilson and Chuck Klein.

[BigbadB]

While I was checking out Hack's 1930 season, I thought I would make sure there weren't any pitchers that were deserving to be mentioned with Wilson and Klein in the MVP voting, and I found this:

 

Losses

French-PIT 18

Frey-CIN 18

Willoughby-PHI 17

Lucas-CIN 16

Seibold-BSN 16

 

Kind of goofy, but French/Frey were the biggest losers in 1930.

[BigbadB]

While I was stuck in 1930, I decided to check out the worst team in the NL that year, which also happened to have Chuck Klein on the roster. There's a lot of cool stuff to check out. Baseball-Reference is fun!

 

Philadelphia finished 1930 with a 52-102 record.

 

Team Batting: .315 .365 .458

Team Pitching: 6.71 ERA

 

11 of the 14 pitchers who took the mound in 1930 had an ERA of 6.72 or worse.

 

Errors by position:

 

Catcher- 20

1b- 22

2b- 45

SS- 58

3b- 20

OF- 54

P- 20

 

That's a total of 239 errors. :shock:

[SouthSideRyan]

Worth repeating Lloyd Waner.

[Roast]

 

Team Batting: .315 .365 .458

 

Jesus.

[BigbadB]

I'm not impressed with Burleigh Grimes, or Red Ruffing for that matter. Add Waite Hoyt to the list. Wow on Jesse Haines.

 

What in the world were these people thinking letting guys like this into the HOF?

[Outshined_One]

I'm not impressed with Burleigh Grimes, or Red Ruffing for that matter. Add Waite Hoyt to the list. Wow on Jesse Haines.

 

What in the world were these people thinking letting guys like this into the HOF?

 

I can't wait for the day David Eckstein is inducted. That'll be epic.

[Guest]

While I was stuck in 1930, I decided to check out the worst team in the NL that year, which also happened to have Chuck Klein on the roster. There's a lot of cool stuff to check out. Baseball-Reference is fun!

 

Philadelphia finished 1930 with a 52-102 record.

 

Team Batting: .315 .365 .458

Team Pitching: 6.71 ERA

 

11 of the 14 pitchers who took the mound in 1930 had an ERA of 6.72 or worse.

 

Errors by position:

 

Catcher- 20

1b- 22

2b- 45

SS- 58

3b- 20

OF- 54

P- 20

 

That's a total of 239 errors. :shock:

 

Philly scored 944 runs that year at 6.05 runs per game. They allowed 1199 at 7.69 per game. WOW.

[OleMissCub]

I'm not impressed with Burleigh Grimes, or Red Ruffing for that matter. Add Waite Hoyt to the list. Wow on Jesse Haines.

 

What in the world were these people thinking letting guys like this into the HOF?

 

Aside from Jesse Haines, the easiest answer is to just say, "some things never change."

 

Look up where those guys spent the majority of their careers.

[OleMissCub]

While I was stuck in 1930, I decided to check out the worst team in the NL that year, which also happened to have Chuck Klein on the roster. There's a lot of cool stuff to check out. Baseball-Reference is fun!

 

Philadelphia finished 1930 with a 52-102 record.

 

Team Batting: .315 .365 .458

Team Pitching: 6.71 ERA

 

11 of the 14 pitchers who took the mound in 1930 had an ERA of 6.72 or worse.

 

Errors by position:

 

Catcher- 20

1b- 22

2b- 45

SS- 58

3b- 20

OF- 54

P- 20

 

That's a total of 239 errors. :shock:

 

Philly scored 944 runs that year at 6.05 runs per game. They allowed 1199 at 7.69 per game. WOW.

 

It's like they had a whole team of Sean Estes'.