HAPPY MITCHELL REPORT DAY!!!!!!!! Clemens named.

[Derwood]

not being in the report =/= not doing steroids

 

This is why this is a huge waste of everybody's time. Nobody's going to be exonerated ever because people have their personal beliefs on who was using and they'll never let them die. Not on the list? List must be a joke.

 

you missed the point.

[YearofDaCubs]

Most of these guys are scrubs. Considering how many players were called out, I think this report favors MLB. Sure, Clemens, Pettitte, Gagne, and others are in there but overall, most of these guys are not big time players.

 

Well, Clemens and Bonds are the best pitcher and hitter of the last 20 or 30 years.

No doubting that. But I was expecting other big names on the list.

[OleMissCub]

HOLY CRAP, what the crap is that noise?? Terrorists are trying to blow up the Mitchell Report hearing I think.

[E.J.]

Does anyone else have some random Arab dude cutting in on the television feed on ESPN News? :lol:

[98navigator]

FWIW, for everyone crowing about Kerry Wood and Mark Prior being on the list...neither one are.

 

I'm happy that they aren't on the list but now that MSNBC has smeered them the suspicions won't go away.

[pitchcs]

In all honesty and with (almost) all my sosa love aside, i think it's possible that he didn't do roids. Yes his body Hulked up but he also went from being a mal-nourished dirt-poor kid to being a millionaire with access to extensive training programs and workout facilities and according to everything I've ever read - he basically lived in th gym.

 

Anyway, He wasn't named in the report and he has yet to have anything close to solid damning evidence put out against him so - until he does - he's clean to me.

 

 

All that said, it still seems like it was a way of life at that time in baseball so even if he did i suppose it's not that surprising.

 

I've heard that Sosa spent more time in the gym than any other player.

[justlikethecubs]

Does anyone else have some random Arab dude cutting in on the television feed on ESPN News? :lol:

 

I heard that. Very odd. :lol:

[imb]

Nice of Merker to let someone order steroids in his name

[Iceblink]

Most of these guys are scrubs. Considering how many players were called out, I think this report favors MLB. Sure, Clemens, Pettitte, Gagne, and others are in there but overall, most of these guys are not big time players.

 

Well, Clemens and Bonds are the best pitcher and hitter of the last 20 or 30 years.

No doubting that. But I was expecting other big names on the list.

 

I agree. Given that their source seems to mostly be two guys, it's a pretty healthy list of players. Given that the data they're basing it on are personal checks, I'm surprised they caught as many as they did. What kind of moron buys an illegal substance with a personal check?

[sweetpeteman]

Yeah, Mitchell sucks. It's become clear he is happy for the publicity.

 

 

 

Also, anyone watching the ESPN feed get some strange foreign language come over the audio? That was hilarious.

[reds44]

OK, I think I got it..

 

Marvin Benard

Barry Bonds

Bobby Estalella

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Benito Santiago

Gary Sheffield

Randy Velarde

Lenny Dysktra

David Segui

Larry Bigbie

Brian Roberts

Jack Cust

Tim Laker

Josias Manzanillo

Todd Hundley

Mark Carreon

Hal Morris

Matt Franco

Rondell White

Roger Clemens

Andy Pettite

Chuck Knoblauch

Jason Grimsley

Greg Zaun

David Justice

F.P. Santangello

Glenallen Hill

Mo Vaughn

Denny Neagle

Ron Villone

Ryan Franklin

Chris Donnels

Todd Williams

Phil Hiatt

Todd Pratt

Kevin Young

Mike Lansing

Cody Mckay

Kent Mercker

Andy Piatt

Miguel Tejada

Jason Christianson

Mike Stanton

Stephen Randolph

Jerry Hairston Jr.

Paul Lo Duca

Adam Riggs

Bart Miadich

Chad Allen

Fernando Vina

Kevin Brown

Eric Gagne

Mike Bell

Matt Herges

Gary Bennett Jr.

Jim Parque

Brandon Donnelly

Jeff Williams

Howie Clark

Nook Logan

Daniel Naulty

Rick Ankiel

Paul Byrd

Jay Gibbons

Troy Glaus

Jose Guillen

Gary Matthews, Jr.

Scott Schoeneweis

Jose Canseco

Jason Grimsley

Darren Holmes

John Rocker

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Steve Woodard

David Bell

 

Think that's all.

All Stars:

 

Sheffield, Tejada, Clemens, Pettite, Brian Roberts, Lenny Dykstra, Jason Giambi, Todd Hundley, Eric Gagne, Chuck Knoblauch, David Justice, Mo Vaughn, Denny Neagle, Mike Stanton, Paul Lo Duca, Fernando Vina, Kevin Brown, Brendan Donnelly.

[moorecg]

So who where the two Cubs that Karchner roomed with?

[Derwood]

i love press conferences where they don't mic the reporters.

[Sammy Sofa]

Did you guys hear the weird Russian-sounding audio feed that cut in for like 30 seconds on the ESPN broadcast?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

ha, Adrian Beltre isn't on the list? He must have paid cash.

[wekse]

So who where the two Cubs that Karchner roomed with?

 

again, my guesses are glenallen hill and kyle farnsworth, heh...although, only one of them is on the list.

[pitchcs]

ha, Adrian Beltre isn't on the list? He must have paid cash.

 

No Brady Anderson or Luis Gonzalez either.

[Sammy Sofa]

In all honesty and with (almost) all my sosa love aside, i think it's possible that he didn't do roids. Yes his body Hulked up but he also went from being a mal-nourished dirt-poor kid to being a millionaire with access to extensive training programs and workout facilities and according to everything I've ever read - he basically lived in th gym.

 

Anyway, He wasn't named in the report and he has yet to have anything close to solid damning evidence put out against him so - until he does - he's clean to me.

 

 

All that said, it still seems like it was a way of life at that time in baseball so even if he did i suppose it's not that surprising.

 

Didn't Sosa also bulk up at a younger age than a lot of these guys? Like, when it would be more natural to do so.

 

I'm just baffled that he's gotten off clean.

I've heard that Sosa spent more time in the gym than any other player.

Edited December 13, 2007 by Sammy Sofa

[The Voice of Reason]

Most of these guys are scrubs. Considering how many players were called out, I think this report favors MLB. Sure, Clemens, Pettitte, Gagne, and others are in there but overall, most of these guys are not big time players.

 

Well, Clemens and Bonds are the best pitcher and hitter of the last 20 or 30 years.

No doubting that. But I was expecting other big names on the list.

 

Stay tuned. More names to come.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/13/wertheimllosa.mitchellreport/index.html

 

While it's not hard to see why all concerned parties would like to view the Mitchell Report as both a coda and as a "vehicle for moving forward," as one MLB executive put it, the reality is far less tidy. Two ongoing criminal investigations -- BALCO and the Albany DA's prosecution of a wide-ranging Internet pharmacy pipeline -- are likely to reveal the names of additional players and distribution channels. In fact, sources close to the Albany investigation tell SI.com they believe the litany of names released on Thursday was "not at all a full and final" compilation.

 

Furthermore, there are also other large-scale, ongoing probes Sen. George Mitchell was clearly unable to access. For instance, there's an international DEA operation, code named "Raw Deal," that traces the movement of raw steroid and HGH powder from manufacturing labs in China to the basements and garages of American dealers. Raids have unearthed lengthy client lists and hard drive evidence that sources tell SI.com may well lead directly to the clubhouses and locker rooms of pro sports teams.

[justlikethecubs]

I kinda expected more from this report. Other then naming a few names of people who bought or "used" according to 2 sources mainly, this tells us nothing new. We all knew the use of roids and PEDs was there, that they needed better testing progams, that kids should be steered away from it and so on. None of this is earth shattering. Other then Selig being able to say he did something by having this investigation done, I think that has been a pretty big waste of time.

[sweetpeteman]

In all honesty and with (almost) all my sosa love aside, i think it's possible that he didn't do roids. Yes his body Hulked up but he also went from being a mal-nourished dirt-poor kid to being a millionaire with access to extensive training programs and workout facilities and according to everything I've ever read - he basically lived in th gym.

 

Anyway, He wasn't named in the report and he has yet to have anything close to solid damning evidence put out against him so - until he does - he's clean to me.

 

 

All that said, it still seems like it was a way of life at that time in baseball so even if he did i suppose it's not that surprising.

 

I've heard that Sosa spent more time in the gym than any other player.

 

 

The one thing that keeps me from completely saying he did is the fact that if you look at his numbers, there actually was not a entire jump. From 94 to 98 there would have been a steady climb if he had not been injured. (He was on pace to hit over 50 in 96). While there was a jump from 97 to 98, there was still the trend.

[UMFan83]

OK, I think I got it..

 

Marvin Benard

Barry Bonds

Bobby Estalella

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Benito Santiago

Gary Sheffield

Randy Velarde

Lenny Dysktra

David Segui

Larry Bigbie

Brian Roberts

Jack Cust

Tim Laker

Josias Manzanillo

Todd Hundley

Mark Carreon

Hal Morris

Matt Franco

Rondell White

Roger Clemens

Andy Pettite

Chuck Knoblauch

Jason Grimsley

Greg Zaun

David Justice

F.P. Santangello

Glenallen Hill

Mo Vaughn

Denny Neagle

Ron Villone

Ryan Franklin

Chris Donnels

Todd Williams

Phil Hiatt

Todd Pratt

Kevin Young

Mike Lansing

Cody Mckay

Kent Mercker

Andy Piatt

Miguel Tejada

Jason Christianson

Mike Stanton

Stephen Randolph

Jerry Hairston Jr.

Paul Lo Duca

Adam Riggs

Bart Miadich

Chad Allen

Fernando Vina

Kevin Brown

Eric Gagne

Mike Bell

Matt Herges

Gary Bennett Jr.

Jim Parque

Brandon Donnelly

Jeff Williams

Howie Clark

Nook Logan

Daniel Naulty

Rick Ankiel

Paul Byrd

Jay Gibbons

Troy Glaus

Jose Guillen

Gary Matthews, Jr.

Scott Schoeneweis

Jose Canseco

Jason Grimsley

Darren Holmes

John Rocker

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Steve Woodard

David Bell

 

Think that's all.

 

I bolded the ones that were active in 2007, but I'm sure I missed a few

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

pretty big waste of time.

Ironically, that pharse could be used to sum up Seligs entire tenure as commissioner.

[mfische5]

What is really interesting: Raphael Palmeiro is not on the list, but Miguel Tejada is.

[justlikethecubs]

pretty big waste of time.

Ironically, that pharse could be used to sum up Seligs entire tenure as commissioner.

 

Very true.