MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[ThePenguin11]

If the O's don't want to trade Roberts until unloading Tejada, then maybe the Cubs should help them out by taking both of them.

 

Angelos is still running the show, I bet he won't let MacPhail trade "the face of the Orioles."

 

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http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.meetings06dec06,0,2268735.story

 

Angelos has been reluctant in the past to trade Roberts, 30, who said last night that he had knowledge of the trade talks. In an interview with The Sun last week, Roberts sounded hesitant when asked whether he wanted to be part of a rebuilding process that MacPhail is trying to engineer.

 

"Do I want to be a part of a total tear-down and rebuild? I don't know if that was necessarily what I had in mind a couple of years ago," he said.

 

There is some sentiment among Orioles officials to try to unload other veterans first before trying to trade Roberts, who is still two years away from free agency. However, a team source said last night that the club hadn't found a suitable offer for Tejada, despite meeting with several teams yesterday, including the St. Louis Cardinals.

 

Orioles president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail wouldn't discuss specifics of the possible deal but reiterated he is willing to listen to offers for any of his players, including Roberts, generally viewed as the face of the club.

 

An admirer of Roberts' play on the field and his charitable work off it, owner Peter Angelos nixed a deal last year that would have sent Roberts and pitching prospect Hayden Penn to the Atlanta Braves for first baseman Adam LaRoche and second baseman Marcus Giles.

 

When asked about the possibility of moving Roberts, MacPhail said: "It's what we have said all along. We don't feel that we are in a position where we can rule anyone out. So if someone wants to talk, we listen. And we do what we feel is in the organization's best interests."

 

I don't think he nixed the deal because he likes Roberts' charitable work and thinks of him as the face of the team...I think he did it because Giles' career looked to be free-falling (and still does) and Adam LaRoche is 'just a guy'. Compared to one of their best pitching prospects (Penn) and Roberts I don't think you'd find a GM (ours included) that is dumb enough to make that deal. I really don't even understand how that got printed because I can't see anyone on the Orioles ever considering that deal...yet I've seen it in print a few times now.

[BigbadB]

It would take more than Pie to get Khalil Greene.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

regarding the Pie for Greene swap..is that an actual rumor floating....or just an idea being thrown around?

[UMFan83]

regarding the Pie for Greene swap..is that an actual rumor floating....or just an idea being thrown around?

 

It was rumored that the Padres make that trade offer to the Cubs back in May of last season and the Cubs quickly rejected it. And I think in early November some writer speculated that those talks could heat up again, but nothing has been heard since.

[BigbadB]

regarding the Pie for Greene swap..is that an actual rumor floating....or just an idea being thrown around?

 

More than anything, it was just a suggestion by Meph.

 

I'd probably do it because I happen to agree that Greene could be a monster if you let him out of Petco.

[David]

Count me as having been sold on Greene too.

 

Roberts - 2B

Fukudome - RF/CF

Lee - 1B

Ramirez - 3B

Soriano - LF

Bradley - CF/RF

Greene - SS

Soto - C

 

:shock: Not bad. Would take a lot of moves, but that lineup looks damn good to me.

Edited December 6, 2007 by David

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

regarding the Pie for Greene swap..is that an actual rumor floating....or just an idea being thrown around?

 

More than anything, it was just a suggestion by Meph.

 

I'd probably do it because I happen to agree that Greene could be a monster if you let him out of Petco.

Yeah, I never realized how much that park kills him. I'd probably do the deal as well. Much easier to fill the CF spot vs SS.

[justlikethecubs]

regarding the Pie for Greene swap..is that an actual rumor floating....or just an idea being thrown around?

 

More than anything, it was just a suggestion by Meph.

 

I'd probably do it because I happen to agree that Greene could be a monster if you let him out of Petco.

 

I agree Greene would be have the potential to be much better outside of Petco. I'm just wondering if you make this trade if for some reason we don't sign Fukudome. As of right now, Pie is our only legit CF (defensively). If we sign Fukudome, trade for Green and Roberts then put Derosa in RF that would be nice. A lot depends on signing someone to play CF capably though.

[BigbadB]

regarding the Pie for Greene swap..is that an actual rumor floating....or just an idea being thrown around?

 

More than anything, it was just a suggestion by Meph.

 

I'd probably do it because I happen to agree that Greene could be a monster if you let him out of Petco.

 

I agree Greene would be have the potential to be much better outside of Petco. I'm just wondering if you make this trade if for some reason we don't sign Fukudome. As of right now, Pie is our only legit CF (defensively). If we sign Fukudome, trade for Green and Roberts then put Derosa in RF that would be nice. A lot depends on signing someone to play CF capably though.

 

I'm guessing it would likely cost the Cubs Pie and Cedeno, unless the Padres found Theriot more to their liking. They are really hurting for top of order type hitters (defined as what GM's view as top of the order type hitters, mind you). Probably have to give up a pitcher as well. The Padres have always been pretty high on Greene and they aren't just going to give him away.

[BigbadB]

regarding the Pie for Greene swap..is that an actual rumor floating....or just an idea being thrown around?

 

More than anything, it was just a suggestion by Meph.

 

I'd probably do it because I happen to agree that Greene could be a monster if you let him out of Petco.

 

I agree Greene would be have the potential to be much better outside of Petco. I'm just wondering if you make this trade if for some reason we don't sign Fukudome. As of right now, Pie is our only legit CF (defensively). If we sign Fukudome, trade for Green and Roberts then put Derosa in RF that would be nice. A lot depends on signing someone to play CF capably though.

 

I'm guessing it would likely cost the Cubs Pie and Cedeno, unless the Padres found Theriot more to their liking. They are really hurting for top of order type hitters (defined as what GM's view as top of the order type hitters, mind you). Probably have to give up a pitcher as well. The Padres have always been pretty high on Greene and they aren't just going to give him away.

 

We know the Padres like Prior.

[justlikethecubs]

regarding the Pie for Greene swap..is that an actual rumor floating....or just an idea being thrown around?

 

More than anything, it was just a suggestion by Meph.

 

I'd probably do it because I happen to agree that Greene could be a monster if you let him out of Petco.

 

I agree Greene would be have the potential to be much better outside of Petco. I'm just wondering if you make this trade if for some reason we don't sign Fukudome. As of right now, Pie is our only legit CF (defensively). If we sign Fukudome, trade for Green and Roberts then put Derosa in RF that would be nice. A lot depends on signing someone to play CF capably though.

 

I'm guessing it would likely cost the Cubs Pie and Cedeno, unless the Padres found Theriot more to their liking. They are really hurting for top of order type hitters (defined as what GM's view as top of the order type hitters, mind you). Probably have to give up a pitcher as well. The Padres have always been pretty high on Greene and they aren't just going to give him away.

 

We know the Padres like Prior.

 

If I give up Prior, Pie and Cedeno then I probably ask for a prospect as well. Perhaps not a top talent but that's an awful lot to give up for Greene, althought I might do it. I wonder if they would Take Prior, Cedeno and someone else for Greene. Maybe Epatt or Kroeger?

[BigbadB]

If I give up Prior, Pie and Cedeno then I probably ask for a prospect as well. Perhaps not a top talent but that's an awful lot to give up for Greene, althought I might do it. I wonder if they would Take Prior, Cedeno and someone else for Greene. Maybe Epatt or Kroeger?

 

Prior, Pie and Cedeno is too much. It sounds like Cedeno is in the Roberts package anyway, and that deal is probably all but done except for Angelos approving the deal.

[inari]

If I give up Prior, Pie and Cedeno then I probably ask for a prospect as well. Perhaps not a top talent but that's an awful lot to give up for Greene, althought I might do it. I wonder if they would Take Prior, Cedeno and someone else for Greene. Maybe Epatt or Kroeger?

 

Prior, Pie and Cedeno is too much. It sounds like Cedeno is in the Roberts package anyway, and that deal is probably all but done except for Angelos approving the deal.

 

Whoa, whoa. It is? Any word on who is going to go Baltimore's way?

[SouthSideRyan]

One thing that I haven't seen posted yet.

 

Roberts is being devalued because he is only a slight upgrade over DeRosa. This is a very true statement in itself. At the same time, look at this:

 

Cubs 2B had 623 AB's last year

DeRosa had 502 AB's last year

 

DeRosa only had 292 AB's at 2nd base last year! He was moved around so much last year that 341 AB's were taken by inferior players. Even if the Cubs don't get Roberts, DeRosa is not likely to get much more of the second base AB's this year because he'll again have so much time playing other positions.

 

More than half the at-bats that Roberts will be taking away are Fontenot's and Theriot's from last year, and at-bats that would all be Fontenot's this year.

 

Roberts may not be that much of an upgrade specifically over DeRosa, but Roberts+DeRosa getting all of the at-bats is a significant upgrade over DeRosa and Fontenot splitting the at-bats.

 

So you're counting on Ramirez being injured again(decent assumption), Lee being suspended/injured again, and our RF being no better than average.

[inari]

You know, DeRo has played quite a bit of shortstop in his major league career. I don't think we can rule out the possibility that they might want him at short on a regular basis.

[seanimal]

I'd probably be all over this Khalil Greene thing if he didn't look so much like Jeff Spicoli wearing a baseball costume. I find it hard to take him seriously, much in the same way I couldn't stand to look at Goldylocks Craig Wilson.

[BigbadB]

If I give up Prior, Pie and Cedeno then I probably ask for a prospect as well. Perhaps not a top talent but that's an awful lot to give up for Greene, althought I might do it. I wonder if they would Take Prior, Cedeno and someone else for Greene. Maybe Epatt or Kroeger?

 

Prior, Pie and Cedeno is too much. It sounds like Cedeno is in the Roberts package anyway, and that deal is probably all but done except for Angelos approving the deal.

 

Whoa, whoa. It is? Any word on who is going to go Baltimore's way?

 

Cedeno is the only name anyone has actually mentioned as being part of the trade, but it's also assumed that Gallagher is the pitcher the Orioles are after (and it has been mentioned that the Orioles would be getting a pitcher in the deal).

[A New Era]

So you're counting on Ramirez being injured again(decent assumption), Lee being suspended/injured again, and our RF being no better than average.

 

And you're counting on an injury free year?

 

I agree with cubbiecolt. Now you'll be getting Roberts/Derosa at bats instead of Derosa/Fontenot/Floyd/Jones at bats.

 

Tell me. Which one would you take?

[CuseCubFan69]

You know, DeRo has played quite a bit of shortstop in his major league career. I don't think we can rule out the possibility that they might want him at short on a regular basis.

 

The only bad thing is that it takes away a good backup 3rd baseman unless they put Theriot or Cedeno at SS. I wish Ward could play 3rd or right.

[justlikethecubs]

If I give up Prior, Pie and Cedeno then I probably ask for a prospect as well. Perhaps not a top talent but that's an awful lot to give up for Greene, althought I might do it. I wonder if they would Take Prior, Cedeno and someone else for Greene. Maybe Epatt or Kroeger?

 

Prior, Pie and Cedeno is too much. It sounds like Cedeno is in the Roberts package anyway, and that deal is probably all but done except for Angelos approving the deal.

 

Whoa, whoa. It is? Any word on who is going to go Baltimore's way?

 

Levine was quoted as saying He was certain Cedeno was in the deal, but that was the only name he knew for sure. The most popular theory seems to be Marshall/Gallagher, Cedeno and Murton. I'm just peicing together everything I thought I read so if I missed something someone feel free to correct me.

[inari]

I just had no idea this deal was so close.

[SouthSideRyan]

You know, DeRo has played quite a bit of shortstop in his major league career. I don't think we can rule out the possibility that they might want him at short on a regular basis.

 

I think we can rule out the possiblity of the Cubs actually doing it. Ryan Theriot's too dreamy. I think most of us can agree that this would be the best course of action.

[inari]

You know, DeRo has played quite a bit of shortstop in his major league career. I don't think we can rule out the possibility that they might want him at short on a regular basis.

 

The only bad thing is that it takes away a good backup 3rd baseman unless they put Theriot or Cedeno at SS. I wish Ward could play 3rd or right.

 

Rammy gets hurt; play DeRo at third, Theriot at short.

[Roast]

So, I read the original rumor and the posts up to about page 5. But now we're on 29 and I'm not reading 24 pages. Does someone want to give me a quick summary of where things stand, now?

[justlikethecubs]

So, I read the original rumor and the posts up to about page 5. But now we're on 29 and I'm not reading 24 pages. Does someone want to give me a quick summary of where things stand, now?

 

right now it sounds like they are waiting on Angelos to approve a deal. None of the names are 100% but Levine was quoted as saying Cedeno was part of it, along with a pitcher and perhaps an OF.