Dodger Trade Proposal

[Backtobanks]

Since the Dodgers are looking at Bedard and are offering a ton of young talent, how about Hill for Kemp with whatever tweaking that needs to be done?

 

 

Dodgers Kemp to Orioles?

The Dodgers, who have a well-stocked farm system, have been one of the most aggressive suitors for Erik Bedard, according to a team source. Among the players that have been discussed, the source said, are: Matt Kemp, a 23-year-old outfielder; Jonathan Broxton, a 23-year-old reliever; and Clayton Kershaw, a 19-year-old left-handed starter who is regarded as one of the top prospects in baseball. However, those three players reportedly also are being mentioned in trade talks between the Dodgers and Florida Marlins involving the latter's starting third baseman, Miguel Cabrera. -- Baltimore Sun

[abuck1220]

instead of trading arguably our most valuable pitcher to fill the OF hole, how about just signing someone to play the OF? that way we won't have a gaping hole in the rotation.

[javy knows my name]

Kershaw is only 19? :shock:

I have to think Kershaw for Bedard straight up would go down

[SweetZombieJesus]

Kershaw is only 19? :shock:

I have to think Kershaw for Bedard straight up would go down

 

You would be wrong. Bedard has taken the mantle of best lefty in baseball not named Johan Santana title. MacPhail and company might not be the sharpest tools in the shed. But Kershaw with all his value doesn't equal bedard in a 1 for 1.

[BigbadB]

instead of trading arguably our most valuable pitcher to fill the OF hole, how about just signing someone to play the OF? that way we won't have a gaping hole in the rotation.

 

Exactly. The Cubs don't have a "position of strength" where they can deal someone and still be strong at that position.

 

Besides, Hendry clearly wants a lefty bat in RF.

[nilodnayr]

MacPhail really wants to improve his bullpen. We could get in the middle of this with Marmol. I don't think we could get one of the principles, but we could possibly get Ethier out of the deal. Hes a lefty so matches up with the Cubs wants.

 

Last year put up 284/351/452

 

The always optimistic James has him at 304/371/477 for 2008.

PECOTA had him at 294/363/473 for 2008

 

Also, of course we should be gunning for Tejada as well.

[BigbadB]

I find much humor in this quote from Rotoworld:

 

According to the Baltimore Sun, the Orioles are hoping to sign Erik Bedard to a long-term contract extension after measuring his potential trade value earlier this month.

 

Apparently, the Orioles don't have the capacity to evaluate their own players, therefore they need other teams to inform them exactly what it is that they have. :lol:

[CubinNY]

Kershaw is only 19? :shock:

I have to think Kershaw for Bedard straight up would go down

 

You would be wrong. Bedard has taken the mantle of best lefty in baseball not named Johan Santana title. MacPhail and company might not be the sharpest tools in the shed. But Kershaw with all his value doesn't equal bedard in a 1 for 1.

 

I don't think MacPhail and Co. think so or he wouldn't be mentioned in trade proposals. I don't know what they are thinking, but I'm glad Andy is no longer the President of the Cubs. I wish he'd a taken his boy Jim with him.

[Backtobanks]

MacPhail really wants to improve his bullpen. We could get in the middle of this with Marmol. I don't think we could get one of the principles, but we could possibly get Ethier out of the deal. Hes a lefty so matches up with the Cubs wants.

 

Last year put up 284/351/452

 

The always optimistic James has him at 304/371/477 for 2008.

PECOTA had him at 294/363/473 for 2008

 

Also, of course we should be gunning for Tejada as well.

 

You might have the start of a decent 3-way trade:

 

How about:

1. Cubs trade Marmol to the Dodgers for Eithier.

2. Dodgers trade Kemp, Broxton/Marmol, and Kershaw to the Orioles for Bedard.

3. Orioles trade Tejada to the Cubs for Cedeno, Marshall, Patterson, and Ohman.

 

Cubs Lineup:

Soriano..LF

Eithier....RF

DLee.....1B

ARam....3B

Tejada...SS

Derosa...2B

Soto......C

Pie......CF

 

Bench: Infante, Theriot, Blanco, Ward, ????

 

Dodgers get #1 or #2 starter and get to keep one of Broxton/Marmol.

Orioles get replacement SS, slugging OF, 2 good relief pitchers, two good future players, and about $15 - $20 million in salary savings.

[SouthSideRyan]

I find much humor in this quote from Rotoworld:

 

According to the Baltimore Sun, the Orioles are hoping to sign Erik Bedard to a long-term contract extension after measuring his potential trade value earlier this month.

 

Apparently, the Orioles don't have the capacity to evaluate their own players, therefore they need other teams to inform them exactly what it is that they have. :lol:

 

I don't get it. His trade value is only that which people will give up for you. Whether you think he's worth something or not, his actual trade value is only the best package you can get.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Kershaw is only 19? :shock:

I have to think Kershaw for Bedard straight up would go down

 

You would be wrong. Bedard has taken the mantle of best lefty in baseball not named Johan Santana title. MacPhail and company might not be the sharpest tools in the shed. But Kershaw with all his value doesn't equal bedard in a 1 for 1.

 

I don't think MacPhail and Co. think so or he wouldn't be mentioned in trade proposals. I don't know what they are thinking, but I'm glad Andy is no longer the President of the Cubs. I wish he'd a taken his boy Jim with him.

 

They may move him but it's not going to be for only one prospect. If they move him they will get a Miguel Cabrera/Teixeira type package for him.

[nilodnayr]

MacPhail really wants to improve his bullpen. We could get in the middle of this with Marmol. I don't think we could get one of the principles, but we could possibly get Ethier out of the deal. Hes a lefty so matches up with the Cubs wants.

 

Last year put up 284/351/452

 

The always optimistic James has him at 304/371/477 for 2008.

PECOTA had him at 294/363/473 for 2008

 

Also, of course we should be gunning for Tejada as well.

 

You might have the start of a decent 3-way trade:

 

How about:

1. Cubs trade Marmol to the Dodgers for Eithier.

2. Dodgers trade Kemp, Broxton/Marmol, and Kershaw to the Orioles for Bedard.

3. Orioles trade Tejada to the Cubs for Cedeno, Marshall, Patterson, and Ohman.

 

I think the dodgers are giving up too much in the bedard trade and the cubs arent giving up enough in the tejada trade.

How about:

1. Cubs send Marmol, Gallagher, Cedeno, Ohman to the Orioles, Patterson and Murton to Dodgers

2. Dodgers send Kemp and Kershaw to the Orioles, Ethier to the Cubs

3. Orioles send Tejada to the Cubs, Bedard to the Dodgers

[BigbadB]

I find much humor in this quote from Rotoworld:

 

According to the Baltimore Sun, the Orioles are hoping to sign Erik Bedard to a long-term contract extension after measuring his potential trade value earlier this month.

 

Apparently, the Orioles don't have the capacity to evaluate their own players, therefore they need other teams to inform them exactly what it is that they have. :lol:

 

I don't get it. His trade value is only that which people will give up for you. Whether you think he's worth something or not, his actual trade value is only the best package you can get.

 

The way I read it, Baltimore didn't realize what they had with Bedard until they saw the talent that teams were willing to give up to get him. Now that they know what teams are willing to give up to get him, they want to sign him to an extension instead of trading him.

[nilodnayr]

I find much humor in this quote from Rotoworld:

 

According to the Baltimore Sun, the Orioles are hoping to sign Erik Bedard to a long-term contract extension after measuring his potential trade value earlier this month.

 

Apparently, the Orioles don't have the capacity to evaluate their own players, therefore they need other teams to inform them exactly what it is that they have. :lol:

 

I don't get it. His trade value is only that which people will give up for you. Whether you think he's worth something or not, his actual trade value is only the best package you can get.

 

The way I read it, Baltimore didn't realize what they had with Bedard until they saw the talent that teams were willing to give up to get him. Now that they know what teams are willing to give up to get him, they want to sign him to an extension instead of trading him.

I'd look at that the exact opposite. No team was able to match their demands, so they are exploring signing him to an extention.

[CubColtPacer]

I find much humor in this quote from Rotoworld:

 

According to the Baltimore Sun, the Orioles are hoping to sign Erik Bedard to a long-term contract extension after measuring his potential trade value earlier this month.

 

Apparently, the Orioles don't have the capacity to evaluate their own players, therefore they need other teams to inform them exactly what it is that they have. :lol:

 

I don't get it. His trade value is only that which people will give up for you. Whether you think he's worth something or not, his actual trade value is only the best package you can get.

 

The way I read it, Baltimore didn't realize what they had with Bedard until they saw the talent that teams were willing to give up to get him. Now that they know what teams are willing to give up to get him, they want to sign him to an extension instead of trading him.

 

I think the opinion of how good (or bad) Baltimore ownership is probably factored into you reading it that way. It seems to be simply saying that Baltimore weighed Bedard's value on their team and Bedard's value on the trade market and decided they'd rather have Bedard rather than whatever they could get for him. If they truly didn't value Bedard, don't you think they would have jumped at the first team who in their minds offered way over value?

[BigbadB]

Yeah, that's probably more realistic. But, that's not how I read it the first time through.

[KingCubsFan]

Kershaw is only 19? :shock:

I have to think Kershaw for Bedard straight up would go down

 

You would be wrong. Bedard has taken the mantle of best lefty in baseball not named Johan Santana title. MacPhail and company might not be the sharpest tools in the shed. But Kershaw with all his value doesn't equal bedard in a 1 for 1.

Cole Hamels?

[TruffleShuffle]

Kershaw is only 19? :shock:

I have to think Kershaw for Bedard straight up would go down

 

You would be wrong. Bedard has taken the mantle of best lefty in baseball not named Johan Santana title. MacPhail and company might not be the sharpest tools in the shed. But Kershaw with all his value doesn't equal bedard in a 1 for 1.

Cole Hamels?

 

if the question is "what lefthanded starter for the phillies was definitely not as good as eric bedard in 2007" then you've got the right answer.

[Guest]

I'd just keep Kershaw, plug him in the big league rotation in August or so and enjoy him out-performing Bedard by as early as 2009 but definitely by 2010 (as long as he stays healthy).

[nilodnayr]

MacPhail really wants to improve his bullpen. We could get in the middle of this with Marmol. I don't think we could get one of the principles, but we could possibly get Ethier out of the deal. Hes a lefty so matches up with the Cubs wants.

 

Last year put up 284/351/452

 

The always optimistic James has him at 304/371/477 for 2008.

PECOTA had him at 294/363/473 for 2008

 

Also, of course we should be gunning for Tejada as well.

 

You might have the start of a decent 3-way trade:

 

How about:

1. Cubs trade Marmol to the Dodgers for Eithier.

2. Dodgers trade Kemp, Broxton/Marmol, and Kershaw to the Orioles for Bedard.

3. Orioles trade Tejada to the Cubs for Cedeno, Marshall, Patterson, and Ohman.

 

I think the dodgers are giving up too much in the bedard trade and the cubs arent giving up enough in the tejada trade.

How about:

1. Cubs send Marmol, Gallagher, Cedeno, Ohman to the Orioles, Patterson and Murton to Dodgers

2. Dodgers send Kemp and Kershaw to the Orioles, Ethier to the Cubs

3. Orioles send Tejada to the Cubs, Bedard to the Dodgers

 

Aaron Rowand-OF- Phillies Nov. 15 - 1:31 pm et

 

 

Sources tell ESPN's Buster Olney that the Dodgers intend to make a "heavy play" for free agent Aaron Rowand.

 

It still seems very much like the wrong solution for the Dodgers, who would make Juan Pierre one of the game's worst left fielders if they spent big on a center fielder for a second year in a row. Andre Ethier, who would seemingly be knocked out of the starting lineup by such a move, has a higher career OPS in his two seasons than either Rowand or Torii Hunter. Of course, all three are better hitters than Pierre.

 

 

More reason to go after Ethier...

[TruffleShuffle]

I'd just keep Kershaw, plug him in the big league rotation in August or so and enjoy him out-performing Bedard by as early as 2009 but definitely by 2010 (as long as he stays healthy).

 

he walked 4 guys per 9 innings last year... i'm not saying he's not a pretty special prospect, but to say he's definitely going to be better than a guy who was one of the best pitchers in the AL last year within 3 years is really stretching it. If you asked me if I'd rather have Bedard or Kershaw from this point on, money being no object, I'd take Bedard. There are plenty of ways for a 19 year old pitching prospect to not turn into a very good major league pitcher.

[rawaction]

I'd go after Ethier and offer to take Furcal, and his contract, off their hands.

[JeffH]

I'd go after Ethier and offer to take Furcal, and his contract, off their hands.

 

I doubt that they're desperate to move $13/1. Also, I doubt that Joe Torre wants to start his Dodger tenure with a rookie SS.

 

If you offered to take most of Pierre's deal, you could probably get rid of Marquis (maybe Eyre and Blanco, too?) and possibly get Ethier in the process.

 

I doubt many here would find that appealing.

[BigbadB]

I'd go after Ethier and offer to take Furcal, and his contract, off their hands.

 

Yes. I wonder what that would take, though? Here's my idea:

 

Marlins get Andy LaRoche, Sean Marshall, Felix Pie and Murton

Dodgers get Miguel Cabrera and their choice of any 1 of Theriot, Cedeno or Infante

Cubs get Rafael Furcal and Andre Ethier.

 

The money the Dodgers save on Furcal can be used to lock up Cabrera. Dodgers can also use Infante until Hu is ready, if he isn't ready already.

 

Cubs sign Fukudome or Milton Bradley (assume Bradley because of Furcal's big dollar deal) and end up with:

 

LF Soriano

CF Ethier

RF Bradley

3b Ramirez

SS Furcal

2b DeRosa

1b Lee

C Soto

 

Edit: Nah. Dodgers are probably giving up too much with LaRoche, Ethier AND Furcal. But, it's not that far off.

[Guest]

I'd just keep Kershaw, plug him in the big league rotation in August or so and enjoy him out-performing Bedard by as early as 2009 but definitely by 2010 (as long as he stays healthy).

 

he walked 4 guys per 9 innings last year... i'm not saying he's not a pretty special prospect, but to say he's definitely going to be better than a guy who was one of the best pitchers in the AL last year within 3 years is really stretching it. If you asked me if I'd rather have Bedard or Kershaw from this point on, money being no object, I'd take Bedard. There are plenty of ways for a 19 year old pitching prospect to not turn into a very good major league pitcher.

 

Well, I think Bedard is going to have a dip in performance the next few seasons but if money wasn't an issue, going with Bedard would be a no-brainer.